GDT: Game 59: Sharks @ Jets 4:30pm NBCSCA

[TheBeard]

He is big braining it, thinking he is smarter then 31 other coaches who know offense wins in 3 on 3. He thinks he is the only coach that knows if you play the 4th line in the 3 on 3 it gives you the best chance to win.

He's basically treating 3 on 3 like it's 5 on 5.

 

[Bizz]

War really isn't a good coach. I no longer think he knows what he's doing.

I'm hoping Sturm hasn't been snatched up by another team by the time he inevitably gets canned.

 

[HockeyScout1425]

It all boils down TO THIS.

The sharks corsi for in the 3rd period was 23.53%. You read that right. Shots were 12-3. TWELVE TO THREE.

Kuni in the 3rd: 7 shifts, 5:10 TOI
Wennberg in the 3rd: 8 shifts, 6:20 TOI.
Graf in the 3rd: 7 shifts, 5:29 TOI
Sturm in the 3rd: 8 shifts, 5:22 TOI

Smith in the 3rd: 5 shifts, 3:44 TOI.
Zetterlund in the 3rd: 5 shifts, 3:58 TOI.

And just for the giggles, Badrow in the 3rd: 5 shifts, 3:55 TOI

Setting aside Badrow, we can clearly see that both Smith and Zetterlund saw less ice time while their center received an uptick in ice time. Barfosky clearly has this ridiculous, defensive "hold da lead" mindset. This is why we have seen the sharks get shelled in every single one of these 3rd period collapses. Not just outplayed, COMPLETELY AND TOTALLY HEMMED IN.

Not only is that in and of itself extremely problematic for the head coach to think in such a cringey outdated way, he also seems to think guys like Sturm and Kunin are "good" defensively, and we constantly see them on the ice in these critical leverage situations, in DZS starts. Sturm is a little less reprehensible, as he is a strong faceoff guy and isnt completely and utterly useless in coverage like Kunin. But he is still a 4th liner, and he has clearly lost a step from when we fist saw him in the 22-23 season.

Even if the sharks had held onto this one, I would have been screaming for this clown's job. How is this acceptable in every freaking 3rd period? The DEFINITION OF INSANITY is "doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result". That is literally the DEFINITION OF INSANITY. The bumbling meathead clown has not even ATTEMPTED to try a different tactic while entering a 3rd period w/ a lead. 'Is this real life? HOW IS THIS REAL LIFE?

 

[Sharksfan66]

I know we're kind of all piling on here, but I knew that game was over the second I saw who he started for OT. His response to Sheng's question about this was honestly baffling to me.

I've never believed that teams (i.e, the coach & players) actually tank, but this is as close as I've ever come to wondering if Grier has given him a mandate to not pick up the extra point. I don't know how to explain it any other way.

 

[HockeyScout1425]

I know we're kind of all piling on here, but I knew that game was over the second I saw who he started for OT. His response to Sheng's question about this was honestly baffling to me.

I've never believed that teams (i.e, the coach & players) actually tank, but this is as close as I've ever come to wondering if Grier has given him a mandate to not pick up the extra point. I don't know how to explain it any other way.

This is another thing I was laughed at for in the Warso thread. The way this guy answers questions to very SOFT reporters in an extremely SOFT market is actually crazy. He has the nerve to get smug and arrogant? Dude just send this fat ass packing already. Holy s***

 

[SJSharksfan39]

Just finished the game. They got a point on a back end of a back to back against a team that was on a 9 game winning streak. And Celebrini was not responsible for the loss. I call this a moral victory.

Having Celebrini not in to start the OT was head scratching though.

 

[drunksage]

SNOG announcement​

One of our SNOG attempts was a mere 26 seconds away from coming to fruition. Alas...

Spoiler: 2024-25 First-half SNOG Results

#	Date / Opponent​	SNOG Winner(s)​	Result​
1	Oct. 10 vs Blues	none	Blues 5-4 OT
2	Oct. 12 vs Ducks	none	Ducks 2-0
3	Oct. 15 at Stars	weastern bias	Stars 3-2 SO
4	Oct. 17 at Blackhawks	weastern bias	Blackhawks 4-2
5	Oct. 18 at Jets	none	Jets 8-3
6	Oct. 20 vs Avalanche	none	Avalanche 4-1
7	Oct. 22 at Ducks	Timo Time	Ducks 3-1
8	Oct. 24 at Kings	Friday	Kings 3-2
9	Oct. 26 at VGK	none	VGK 7-3
10	Oct. 28 at Utah	none	Sharks 5-4 OT
11	Oct. 29 vs Kings	MackAttack71, bluefunnel, sharks_dynasty	Sharks 4-2
12	Oct. 31 vs Blackhawks	none	Sharks 3-2
13	Nov. 2 vs Canucks	none	Canucks 3-2
14	Nov. 5 vs Blue Jackets	none	Sharks 2-1 OT
15	Nov. 7 vs Wild	timorous me	Wild 5-2
16	Nov. 10 at Devils	none	Sharks 1-0
17	Nov. 11 at Flyers	TheBigDrunkPanda	Flyers 4-3 SO
18	Nov. 14 at Rangers	none	Rangers 3-2
19	Nov. 16 at Penguins	PattyLafontaine	Penguins 4-3 SO
20	Nov. 18 vs Red Wings	none	Sharks 5-4 OT
21	Nov. 20 at Stars	weastern bias	Stars 5-2
22	Nov. 21 at Blues	bullslugg, coooldude	Blues 3-2 SO
23	Nov. 23 vs Sabres	none	Sabres 4-2
24	Nov. 25 vs Kings	none	Sharks 7-2
25	Nov. 27 vs Senators	coooldude, PattyLafontaine	Senators 4-3
26	Nov. 29 vs Kraken	none	Sharks 8-5
27	Nov. 30 at Kraken	bluefunnel	Sharks 4-2
28	Dec. 3 at Capitals	none	Sharks 2-1 OT
29	Dec. 5 at Lightning	none	Lightning 8-1
30	Dec. 7 at Panthers	none	Panthers 3-1
31	Dec. 10 at Hurricanes	Timo Time	Hurricanes 3-2
32	Dec. 12 at Blues	MackAttack71	Sharks 4-3
33	Dec. 14 vs Utah	bullslugg	Hockey Club 4-3
34	Dec. 17 vs Jets	SJSharksfan39	Jets 4-3
35	Dec. 19 vs Avalanche	anthonyyy	Avalanche 4-2
36	Dec. 21 at Oilers	PattyLafontaine	Oilers 3-2 OT
37	Dec. 23 at Canucks	Timo Time	Canucks 4-3
38	Dec. 27 vs VGK	SJSharksfan39	VGK 6-3
39	Dec. 28 vs Flames	none	Flames 3-1
40	Dec. 31 vs Flyers	none	Flyers 4-0
41	Jan. 2 vs Lightning	none	Sharks 2-1

#	Date / Opponent​	SNOG Winner(s)​	Result​
42	Jan. 4 vs Devils	LadyStanley	Sharks 3-2
43	Jan. 7 vs VGK	weastern bias	VGK 4-2
44	Jan. 10 at Utah	none	Hockey Club 2-1
45	Jan. 11 vs Wild	weastern bias	Wild 3-1
46	Jan. 14 at Red Wings	none	Sharks 6-3
47	Jan. 16 at Blue Jackets	weastern bias	Blue Jackets 4-1
48	Jan. 18 at Islanders	TheBeard	Islanders 4-1
49	Jan. 20 at Bruins	none	Bruins 6-3
50	Jan. 21 at Predators	none	Predators 7-5
51	Jan. 23 vs Predators	Great Makohead Shork	Predators 6-5
52	Jan. 25 vs Panthers	SJSharksfan39	Panthers 7-2
53	Jan. 27 vs Penguins	none	Sharks 2-1
54	Jan. 30 at Kraken	none	Kraken 6-2
55	Feb. 4 vs Canadiens	none	Canadiens 4-3
56	Feb. 6 vs Canucks	none	Canucks 2-1
57	Feb. 8 vs Stars	none	Stars 8-3
58	Feb. 23 at Flames	Star Platinum	Flames 3-2
59	Feb. 24 at Jets	none	Jets 2-1 OT

Rank	2024-25 SNOG standings​	# of SNOGs
1.	weastern bias	6
T-2.	PattyLafontaine, SJSharksfan39, Timo Time	3
T-5.	bluefunnel, bullslugg, coooldude, MackAttack71	2
T-9.	anthonyyy, Friday, Great Makohead Shork, LadyStanley, sharks_dynasty, Star Platinum, TheBeard, TheBigDrunkPanda, timorous me	1

 

[TheBeard]

Just finished the game. They got a point on a back end of a back to back against a team that was on a 9 game winning streak. And Celebrini was not responsible for the loss. I call this a moral victory.

Having Celebrini not in to start the OT was head scratching though.

First time I’ve ever heard blowing a shutout and a lead with 20 seconds left and then losing in OT a moral victory.

 

[HockeyScout1425]

First time I’ve ever heard blowing a shutout and a lead with 20 seconds left and then losing in OT a moral victory.

It definitely ties into the BS narrative going around the media and certain super fans online. The "goal differential is bettterrrrrrrrrrr". Nevermind the fact that this team gets absolutely caved in every single 3rd period that they manage to have a lead in.

All in all, this guy will end up w/ either a similar or perhaps maybe even worse record than Quinn did w/ the Nikita Ohkotiuk's.

 

[tiburon12]

It's absolutely wild how unhinged some of you are after losing 1-0 in OT to the best team in the league on the 2nd night of back to backs.....in a season where winning doesn't matter.

I mean, some of this is really tough to read.

 

[SJSharksfan39]

First time I’ve ever heard blowing a shutout and a lead with 20 seconds left and then losing in OT a moral victory.

Expectations remain low. I’m told all the time in this forum that the team is tanking. Maybe I’m starting to accept it and adjust accordingly.

 

[Star Platinum]

It's absolutely wild how unhinged some of you are after losing 1-0 in OT to the best team in the league on the 2nd night of back to backs.....in a season where winning doesn't matter.

I mean, some of this is really tough to read.

Reasonable minds can agree to disagree. And then there's @HockeyScout1425.

 

[GRANdSharks]

Not saying warso, is blameless and he definitely has things to work on, but considering where we were last year to now he has done a really good job developing are guys and implementing a system that keeps us in games most nights. The reality is the team lacks depth and experience to win close games against nhl caliber teams. While this game was a rough, we were 30 seconds away from beating the best team in the league on a second half of a back to back, il take this over any game from last year's team.

 

[HockeyScout1425]

Reasonable minds can agree to disagree. And then there's @HockeyScout1425.

Thanks for the shout my dude. Totally all about reasonable discussion and not stirring up the peanut gallery, amirite?

 

[HockeyScout1425]

It's absolutely wild how unhinged some of you are after losing 1-0 in OT to the best team in the league on the 2nd night of back to backs.....in a season where winning doesn't matter.

I mean, some of this is really tough to read.

If it was a one off, you might be right. But this is a season-long trend of getting absolutely caved in, during the 3rd period, while trying to hold a lead. It speaks to the strategy and tactics of the coach, who clearly believes that it's better to "play not to lose" and go all-in on the "hold on for dear life" approach. He also values certain players as defensive stoppers when they are, in fact, absolutely terrible in their own end.

The best "defense" is offense. We all realize this, but we don't all preach this when it comes to the coach or the team.

 

[tiburon12]

If it was a one off, you might be right. But this is a season-long trend of getting absolutely caved in, during the 3rd period, while trying to hold a lead. It speaks to the strategy and tactics of the coach, who clearly believes that it's better to "play not to lose" and go all-in on the "hold on for dear life" approach. He also values certain players as defensive stoppers when they are, in fact, absolutely terrible in their own end.

The best "defense" is offense. We all realize this, but we don't all preach this when it comes to the coach or the team.

It definitely is a concerning issue, but not one that needs to be ranted about or fixed in February via message board. It's also one that could correct itself over the course of the year. One also needs to consider the adverse effects of firing the coach mid-season.

All things considered, freaking out over this game is far from a logical reaction.

 

[HockeyScout1425]

It definitely is a concerning issue, but not one that needs to be ranted about or fixed in February via message board. It's also one that could correct itself over the course of the year. One also needs to consider the adverse effects of firing the coach mid-season.

All things considered, freaking out over this game is far from a logical reaction.

Dude, the season is almost over. It's the same old story in every 3rd period w/ a lead, all season long. I think theres like 2 that we won where we still got outshot/outplayed but we had some PDO luck.

Now, the Jets are a much better team. Sure. And you expect a push. But when your best line was Wennberg/Smith/Zetterlund, and 2 of those players got less than 4 minutes of icetime in the 3rd...it's now the definition of insanity. He keeps going to the grindy plugs, and they keep playing like the tire-fire trash that they are.

If you want to keep him the rest of the way, whatever. Personally I think a message needs to be sent, that this absolute CLOWN-ASS strategy of "hold on for dear life boys!" is not what this team is going to be about, and Barfosky has been such a smug know-it-all prick w/ the media all year long, that he has earned the proverbial "let security escort the fat ass out of here" firing. I mean again...this clown failed upwards. He coached the D group the past two seasons, and somehow, he ends up w/ the job? what? Just admit your mistake as soon as possible and get his stench out of here.

 

[Star Platinum]

Thanks for the shout my dude. Totally all about reasonable discussion and not stirring up the peanut gallery, amirite?

You made your choice as to what you wanted to be.

 

[HockeyScout1425]

You made your choice as to what you wanted to be.

Nah, actually I presented an argument in that thread eventually. Now you're calling out to the peanut gallery in unrelated threads. You're super mad, lol. I'm so sorry this is life or death for you bud. Try finding a girl.

 

[tiburon12]

Dude, the season is almost over. It's the same old story in every 3rd period w/ a lead, all season long. I think theres like 2 that we won where we still got outshot/outplayed but we had some PDO luck.

Now, the Jets are a much better team. Sure. And you expect a push. But when your best line was Wennberg/Smith/Zetterlund, and 2 of those players got less than 4 minutes of icetime in the 3rd...it's now the definition of insanity. He keeps going to the grindy plugs, and they keep playing like the tire-fire trash that they are.

If you want to keep him the rest of the way, whatever. Personally I think a message needs to be sent, that this absolute CLOWN-ASS strategy of "hold on for dear life boys!" is not what this team is going to be about, and Barfosky has been such a smug know-it-all prick w/ the media all year long, that he has earned the proverbial "let security escort the fat ass out of here" firing. I mean again...this clown failed upwards. He coached the D group the past two seasons, and somehow, he ends up w/ the job? what? Just admit your mistake as soon as possible and get his stench out of here.

Look i agree that turtling has failed and it's not a good strategy, but i also don't think we have the offesnive horses to hem a team in and put pressure on them when we have the lead. Instead I could totally see the team doing that, making a bad turnover and having a goal go in the other way.

I know this isn't an apples-apples situation, but remember that game against Vegas where Stone expertly stripped Celebrini of the puck and scored an ENG (maybe Hertl actually shot it)? That has such a high risk of happening if we keep pushing for offense in the 3rd while holding a lead. I dont think Graf, Smith, Mukh, or any of the young guys (save macklin) could bounce back from trying to make an offensive play and costing the team goals if it happened over and over again. We're simply not good enough to not make mistakes, and definitely not good enough to overcome mistakes in game, so i understand trying to limit them by turtling.

You're right that trying the same thing over and over is futile, but I also don't think there is another viable option. Sure, its worth trying, but we shouldn't then be surprised if the team gets its teeth kicked in. If that's the perceived outcome, which again I really think it is, a 2-1 OT loss is better than a 5-2 loss.