GDT: Game 59: Sharks @ Jets 4:30pm NBCSCA
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I'm hoping Sturm hasn't been snatched up by another team by the time he inevitably gets canned.
It all boils down TO THIS.
The sharks corsi for in the 3rd period was 23.53%. You read that right. Shots were 12-3. TWELVE TO THREE.
Kuni in the 3rd: 7 shifts, 5:10 TOI
Wennberg in the 3rd: 8 shifts, 6:20 TOI.
Graf in the 3rd: 7 shifts, 5:29 TOI
Sturm in the 3rd: 8 shifts, 5:22 TOI
Smith in the 3rd: 5 shifts, 3:44 TOI.
Zetterlund in the 3rd: 5 shifts, 3:58 TOI.
And just for the giggles, Badrow in the 3rd: 5 shifts, 3:55 TOI
Setting aside Badrow, we can clearly see that both Smith and Zetterlund saw less ice time while their center received an uptick in ice time. Barfosky clearly has this ridiculous, defensive "hold da lead" mindset. This is why we have seen the sharks get shelled in every single one of these 3rd period collapses. Not just outplayed, COMPLETELY AND TOTALLY HEMMED IN.
Not only is that in and of itself extremely problematic for the head coach to think in such a cringey outdated way, he also seems to think guys like Sturm and Kunin are "good" defensively, and we constantly see them on the ice in these critical leverage situations, in DZS starts. Sturm is a little less reprehensible, as he is a strong faceoff guy and isnt completely and utterly useless in coverage like Kunin. But he is still a 4th liner, and he has clearly lost a step from when we fist saw him in the 22-23 season.
Even if the sharks had held onto this one, I would have been screaming for this clown's job. How is this acceptable in every freaking 3rd period? The DEFINITION OF INSANITY is "doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result". That is literally the DEFINITION OF INSANITY. The bumbling meathead clown has not even ATTEMPTED to try a different tactic while entering a 3rd period w/ a lead. 'Is this real life? HOW IS THIS REAL LIFE?
The sharks corsi for in the 3rd period was 23.53%. You read that right. Shots were 12-3. TWELVE TO THREE.
Kuni in the 3rd: 7 shifts, 5:10 TOI
Wennberg in the 3rd: 8 shifts, 6:20 TOI.
Graf in the 3rd: 7 shifts, 5:29 TOI
Sturm in the 3rd: 8 shifts, 5:22 TOI
Smith in the 3rd: 5 shifts, 3:44 TOI.
Zetterlund in the 3rd: 5 shifts, 3:58 TOI.
And just for the giggles, Badrow in the 3rd: 5 shifts, 3:55 TOI
Setting aside Badrow, we can clearly see that both Smith and Zetterlund saw less ice time while their center received an uptick in ice time. Barfosky clearly has this ridiculous, defensive "hold da lead" mindset. This is why we have seen the sharks get shelled in every single one of these 3rd period collapses. Not just outplayed, COMPLETELY AND TOTALLY HEMMED IN.
Not only is that in and of itself extremely problematic for the head coach to think in such a cringey outdated way, he also seems to think guys like Sturm and Kunin are "good" defensively, and we constantly see them on the ice in these critical leverage situations, in DZS starts. Sturm is a little less reprehensible, as he is a strong faceoff guy and isnt completely and utterly useless in coverage like Kunin. But he is still a 4th liner, and he has clearly lost a step from when we fist saw him in the 22-23 season.
Even if the sharks had held onto this one, I would have been screaming for this clown's job. How is this acceptable in every freaking 3rd period? The DEFINITION OF INSANITY is "doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result". That is literally the DEFINITION OF INSANITY. The bumbling meathead clown has not even ATTEMPTED to try a different tactic while entering a 3rd period w/ a lead. 'Is this real life? HOW IS THIS REAL LIFE?
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I know we're kind of all piling on here, but I knew that game was over the second I saw who he started for OT. His response to Sheng's question about this was honestly baffling to me.
I've never believed that teams (i.e, the coach & players) actually tank, but this is as close as I've ever come to wondering if Grier has given him a mandate to not pick up the extra point. I don't know how to explain it any other way.
I've never believed that teams (i.e, the coach & players) actually tank, but this is as close as I've ever come to wondering if Grier has given him a mandate to not pick up the extra point. I don't know how to explain it any other way.
This is another thing I was laughed at for in the Warso thread. The way this guy answers questions to very SOFT reporters in an extremely SOFT market is actually crazy. He has the nerve to get smug and arrogant? Dude just send this fat ass packing already. Holy s***
SJSharksfan39
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Just finished the game. They got a point on a back end of a back to back against a team that was on a 9 game winning streak. And Celebrini was not responsible for the loss. I call this a moral victory.
Having Celebrini not in to start the OT was head scratching though.
Having Celebrini not in to start the OT was head scratching though.
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SNOG announcement
One of our SNOG attempts was a mere 26 seconds away from coming to fruition. Alas...
| # | Date / Opponent | SNOG Winner(s) | Result |
| 1 | Oct. 10 vs Blues | none | Blues 5-4 OT |
| 2 | Oct. 12 vs Ducks | none | Ducks 2-0 |
| 3 | Oct. 15 at Stars | weastern bias | Stars 3-2 SO |
| 4 | Oct. 17 at Blackhawks | weastern bias | Blackhawks 4-2 |
| 5 | Oct. 18 at Jets | none | Jets 8-3 |
| 6 | Oct. 20 vs Avalanche | none | Avalanche 4-1 |
| 7 | Oct. 22 at Ducks | Timo Time | Ducks 3-1 |
| 8 | Oct. 24 at Kings | Friday | Kings 3-2 |
| 9 | Oct. 26 at VGK | none | VGK 7-3 |
| 10 | Oct. 28 at Utah | none | Sharks 5-4 OT |
| 11 | Oct. 29 vs Kings | MackAttack71, bluefunnel, sharks_dynasty | Sharks 4-2 |
| 12 | Oct. 31 vs Blackhawks | none | Sharks 3-2 |
| 13 | Nov. 2 vs Canucks | none | Canucks 3-2 |
| 14 | Nov. 5 vs Blue Jackets | none | Sharks 2-1 OT |
| 15 | Nov. 7 vs Wild | timorous me | Wild 5-2 |
| 16 | Nov. 10 at Devils | none | Sharks 1-0 |
| 17 | Nov. 11 at Flyers | TheBigDrunkPanda | Flyers 4-3 SO |
| 18 | Nov. 14 at Rangers | none | Rangers 3-2 |
| 19 | Nov. 16 at Penguins | PattyLafontaine | Penguins 4-3 SO |
| 20 | Nov. 18 vs Red Wings | none | Sharks 5-4 OT |
| 21 | Nov. 20 at Stars | weastern bias | Stars 5-2 |
| 22 | Nov. 21 at Blues | bullslugg, coooldude | Blues 3-2 SO |
| 23 | Nov. 23 vs Sabres | none | Sabres 4-2 |
| 24 | Nov. 25 vs Kings | none | Sharks 7-2 |
| 25 | Nov. 27 vs Senators | coooldude, PattyLafontaine | Senators 4-3 |
| 26 | Nov. 29 vs Kraken | none | Sharks 8-5 |
| 27 | Nov. 30 at Kraken | bluefunnel | Sharks 4-2 |
| 28 | Dec. 3 at Capitals | none | Sharks 2-1 OT |
| 29 | Dec. 5 at Lightning | none | Lightning 8-1 |
| 30 | Dec. 7 at Panthers | none | Panthers 3-1 |
| 31 | Dec. 10 at Hurricanes | Timo Time | Hurricanes 3-2 |
| 32 | Dec. 12 at Blues | MackAttack71 | Sharks 4-3 |
| 33 | Dec. 14 vs Utah | bullslugg | Hockey Club 4-3 |
| 34 | Dec. 17 vs Jets | SJSharksfan39 | Jets 4-3 |
| 35 | Dec. 19 vs Avalanche | anthonyyy | Avalanche 4-2 |
| 36 | Dec. 21 at Oilers | PattyLafontaine | Oilers 3-2 OT |
| 37 | Dec. 23 at Canucks | Timo Time | Canucks 4-3 |
| 38 | Dec. 27 vs VGK | SJSharksfan39 | VGK 6-3 |
| 39 | Dec. 28 vs Flames | none | Flames 3-1 |
| 40 | Dec. 31 vs Flyers | none | Flyers 4-0 |
| 41 | Jan. 2 vs Lightning | none | Sharks 2-1 |
| # | Date / Opponent | SNOG Winner(s) | Result |
| 42 | Jan. 4 vs Devils | LadyStanley | Sharks 3-2 |
| 43 | Jan. 7 vs VGK | weastern bias | VGK 4-2 |
| 44 | Jan. 10 at Utah | none | Hockey Club 2-1 |
| 45 | Jan. 11 vs Wild | weastern bias | Wild 3-1 |
| 46 | Jan. 14 at Red Wings | none | Sharks 6-3 |
| 47 | Jan. 16 at Blue Jackets | weastern bias | Blue Jackets 4-1 |
| 48 | Jan. 18 at Islanders | TheBeard | Islanders 4-1 |
| 49 | Jan. 20 at Bruins | none | Bruins 6-3 |
| 50 | Jan. 21 at Predators | none | Predators 7-5 |
| 51 | Jan. 23 vs Predators | Great Makohead Shork | Predators 6-5 |
| 52 | Jan. 25 vs Panthers | SJSharksfan39 | Panthers 7-2 |
| 53 | Jan. 27 vs Penguins | none | Sharks 2-1 |
| 54 | Jan. 30 at Kraken | none | Kraken 6-2 |
| 55 | Feb. 4 vs Canadiens | none | Canadiens 4-3 |
| 56 | Feb. 6 vs Canucks | none | Canucks 2-1 |
| 57 | Feb. 8 vs Stars | none | Stars 8-3 |
| 58 | Feb. 23 at Flames | Star Platinum | Flames 3-2 |
| 59 | Feb. 24 at Jets | none | Jets 2-1 OT |
| Rank | 2024-25 SNOG standings | # of SNOGs |
| 1. | weastern bias | 6 |
| T-2. | PattyLafontaine, SJSharksfan39, Timo Time | 3 |
| T-5. | bluefunnel, bullslugg, coooldude, MackAttack71 | 2 |
| T-9. | anthonyyy, Friday, Great Makohead Shork, LadyStanley, sharks_dynasty, Star Platinum, TheBeard, TheBigDrunkPanda, timorous me | 1 |
First time I’ve ever heard blowing a shutout and a lead with 20 seconds left and then losing in OT a moral victory.
It definitely ties into the BS narrative going around the media and certain super fans online. The "goal differential is bettterrrrrrrrrrr". Nevermind the fact that this team gets absolutely caved in every single 3rd period that they manage to have a lead in.
All in all, this guy will end up w/ either a similar or perhaps maybe even worse record than Quinn did w/ the Nikita Ohkotiuk's.
SJSharksfan39
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Expectations remain low. I’m told all the time in this forum that the team is tanking. Maybe I’m starting to accept it and adjust accordingly.
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GRANdSharks
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Not saying warso, is blameless and he definitely has things to work on, but considering where we were last year to now he has done a really good job developing are guys and implementing a system that keeps us in games most nights. The reality is the team lacks depth and experience to win close games against nhl caliber teams. While this game was a rough, we were 30 seconds away from beating the best team in the league on a second half of a back to back, il take this over any game from last year's team.
Thanks for the shout my dude. Totally all about reasonable discussion and not stirring up the peanut gallery, amirite?
If it was a one off, you might be right. But this is a season-long trend of getting absolutely caved in, during the 3rd period, while trying to hold a lead. It speaks to the strategy and tactics of the coach, who clearly believes that it's better to "play not to lose" and go all-in on the "hold on for dear life" approach. He also values certain players as defensive stoppers when they are, in fact, absolutely terrible in their own end.
The best "defense" is offense. We all realize this, but we don't all preach this when it comes to the coach or the team.
tiburon12
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It definitely is a concerning issue, but not one that needs to be ranted about or fixed in February via message board. It's also one that could correct itself over the course of the year. One also needs to consider the adverse effects of firing the coach mid-season.
All things considered, freaking out over this game is far from a logical reaction.
Dude, the season is almost over. It's the same old story in every 3rd period w/ a lead, all season long. I think theres like 2 that we won where we still got outshot/outplayed but we had some PDO luck.
Now, the Jets are a much better team. Sure. And you expect a push. But when your best line was Wennberg/Smith/Zetterlund, and 2 of those players got less than 4 minutes of icetime in the 3rd...it's now the definition of insanity. He keeps going to the grindy plugs, and they keep playing like the tire-fire trash that they are.
If you want to keep him the rest of the way, whatever. Personally I think a message needs to be sent, that this absolute CLOWN-ASS strategy of "hold on for dear life boys!" is not what this team is going to be about, and Barfosky has been such a smug know-it-all prick w/ the media all year long, that he has earned the proverbial "let security escort the fat ass out of here" firing. I mean again...this clown failed upwards. He coached the D group the past two seasons, and somehow, he ends up w/ the job? what? Just admit your mistake as soon as possible and get his stench out of here.
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