Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXIV

[TheBloodyNine]

I could not be any more unenthused about a Jonathan Tanner reunion.

 

[EdJovanovski]

We should trade Kakko and Laf for Miller and then 5 years from now when they've been developed properly we can trade for them back !


(P.S. i'm back bitches)

Missed you man, hope all is well

 

[McRanger92]

I don't think JT hated playing in NY.

I think JT hated playing for AV. In fact wasnt the word that he may have enjoyed what NY had to offer a bit too much?

Playing for AV and the fact that he quit more than anyone when the Letter went out. Hard to blame a kid, though who came up in a winning org only to have the rug come out just as he was entering his prime. I’d take him back in a heartbeat

 

[EdJovanovski]

 

[Ola]

Trading K'Andre Miller for Matt Niskanen II won't look good in a few years time...

 

[Ola]

I am so sick of retirement night already.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

 

[Thirty One]

Would Blais still be an RFA in the summer of 2023 if we gave him a cheap 1 year post injury bridge contract to keep the price down?

No, he'll be 27 two July 1st from now.

 

[McRanger92]

I’m okay with it because he’s still strong on the draw even if he doesn’t play center a ton. He could go RW on the Zib or Bread line and bring a lot of punch and veteran savvy as a rental. We are one of few teams that can take on the cap hit, etc. He can take key draws though which is nice.

Sleeper agent Giroux scares me, but he does check every box. I think you’d need to play him as a top 6 RW. Don’t make the Eric Staal mistake again

 

[rangers1314]

Sleeper agent Giroux scares me, but he does check every box. I think you’d need to play him as a top 6 RW. Don’t make the Eric Staal mistake again

We aren't in the high priced, strictly rental market.

 

[HonestGabe]

I mean neither played Monday either

 

[bobbop]

Almost every true contender is up against the cap. Teams will need to send money out or have money retained in order to make big additions. The Rangers don't need either.

I ask this, what teams can fit Giroux at the deadline? He has an $8.275m cap hit.

Same thinking for Kessel. $6.8m cap hit.

Same thing with Domi @ $5.3m.

Also Debrusk.

Let's look at the deadline cap space as it stands now for some of he contenders


[TABLE="class: brtb_item_table"][TBODY][TR][TD]Tampa Bay[/TD][TD]$0[/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD]Edmonton[/TD][TD]$2.663m[/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD]Dallas[/TD][TD]$1.143m[/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD]Washington[/TD][TD]$2.074m[/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD]Pittsburgh[/TD][TD]$4m[/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD]Carolina[/TD][TD]$1.8m[/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD]Florida[/TD][TD]$1.623m[/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD]Toronto[/TD][TD]$0.928m[/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD]St Louis[/TD][TD]$0.318m[/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD]Colorado[/TD][TD]$0.76m[/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD] Calgary[/TD][TD]$5.56m [/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD] New York Rangers[/TD][TD] $33.78m[/TD][/TR][/TBODY][/TABLE]
This is what I am talking about. So many of these teams who could be interested in the higher cap hit guys will need to send money back. How attractive will that be for those teams trading those players away? So not only will sellers need to find teams interested, they will need to create a market and be concerned with taking money back or retaining as needed to make it work.

This SHOULD be where the Rangers can step in as an attractive destination for some of these higher cap hit guys at lower costs than usual.

That is, unless some of the teams that are completely out of it step in to facilitate as 3rd parties and things get complicated quickly.

The great majority of the high dollar rentals will go at 50%. That’s what selling teams do. The outlier here is Vegas, which will likely need to move cap dollars as opposed to selling a rental.

 

[McRanger92]

We aren't in the high priced, strictly rental market.

I think we are, but Giroux wouldn’t be my first choice

 

[ecemleafs]

i dont think chytil and nemeth get it done for JTM.

 

[Mac n Gs]

They’re both injured

 

[Ruggs225]

I mean neither played Monday either

Losing nemeth is a positive.

hopefully chytil comes back soon, to play wing

 

[DanielBrassard]

I think Miller+ for Chychrun is a risk worth taking. Obviously the plus is important in this conversation and so is the aspect of retention. Would Miller+Kravtsov+1 or something to that effect be enough to get them to retain or is that something that they would need just to make the trade happen without retention? It's an important question.

 

[SA16]

Giroux has been a center almost this whole year and when he played W he played LW.

Flyers find a new line that works, moving Claude Giroux back to center

"Giroux is one of the best faceoff takers in the league. Usually he just moves to wing after doing so. Two years ago, the Flyers moved him from center to left wing and it seemed to give him new life. Generally, it’s where he prefers to play now."

Not that I believe there's any reason he can't play RW. Just saying when he's been W he's LW so far.

 

[Thirty One]

I think Miller+ for Chychrun is a risk worth taking. Obviously the plus is important in this conversation and so is the aspect of retention. Would Miller+Kravtsov+1 or something to that effect be enough to get them to retain or is that something that they would need just to make the trade happen without retention? It's an important question.

Important to note that they can only retain on one more player. Retention would likely have a big difference in what they can get for Kessel too.

 

[Mandar]

Giroux has been a center almost this whole year and when he played W he played LW.

Flyers find a new line that works, moving Claude Giroux back to center

"Giroux is one of the best faceoff takers in the league. Usually he just moves to wing after doing so. Two years ago, the Flyers moved him from center to left wing and it seemed to give him new life. Generally, it’s where he prefers to play now."

Not that I believe there's any reason he can't play RW. Just saying when he's been W he's LW so far.

wasnt Giroux a NYR fan growing up too? I seem to remember that he was really sad we passed over him when he was drafted.

 

[bleedblue94]

I think Miller+ for Chychrun is a risk worth taking. Obviously the plus is important in this conversation and so is the aspect of retention. Would Miller+Kravtsov+1 or something to that effect be enough to get them to retain or is that something that they would need just to make the trade happen without retention? It's an important question.

My only fear is moving those pieces for a d man leaves you what to move for a forward?

 

[egelband]

I would hope the rangers don’t trade KAM. Just my two cents.

 

[SA16]

wasnt Giroux a NYR fan growing up too? I seem to remember that he was really sad we passed over him when he was drafted.

No idea but it's not going to matter because the chances the Flyers trade him here barring some enormous overpayment is very low.

 

[Idlerlee]

It took the Sedin’s time to become the players they eventually did. Love the daily negativity I see towards Laf and Kakko.

I remembe the World tournament with team NA, everyone were salivating at McDavid and co, the fresh new stars in their late teens, early 20s. It was around that time when HFboards went overboard with the whole "IF he's not done developing at 7 months old he's never going to make it" schtick.

Players rarely reach their peak until they're 27-28, and even older for defenders.

https://www.researchgate.net/public..._the_effects_of_age_on_NHL_player_performance

https://sci-hub.se/10.1515/jqas-2013-0085

 

[EdJovanovski]

wasnt Giroux a NYR fan growing up too? I seem to remember that he was really sad we passed over him when he was drafted.

So was Zegras