Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXIV

[Thirty One]

Hope everything is ok with Nemeth.

 

[Kocur Dill]

It took the Sedin’s time to become the players they eventually did. Love the daily negativity I see towards Laf and Kakko.

Everyone loves comping Laff and Huberdeau. Well, Hubs took quite a few seasons to get where he is.

 

[DanielBrassard]

Important to note that they can only retain on one more player. Retention would likely have a big difference in what they can get for Kessel too.

Yeah that is true. I wonder if there's something there where the Rangers can retain on Phil, as part of the transaction.

 

[RangersFan1994]

I would hope the rangers don’t trade KAM. Just my two cents.

I feel Schneider will be better than Miller long term. I’d trade Miller only cause he has more trade value than Lundkvist and Jones. Personally id keep Schneider and Jones and dangle Miller and Lundkvist

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

I would hope the rangers don’t trade KAM. Just my two cents.

Totally agree. Trading him for Chych makes less than zero sense from my point of view.

 

[Thirty One]

It took the Sedin’s time to become the players they eventually did. Love the daily negativity I see towards Laf and Kakko.

They also produced more and got less ice time than Laf and Kakko and somehow weren't destroyed by it.

 

[DanielBrassard]

My only fear is moving those pieces for a d man leaves you what to move for a forward?

Chytil, Lundkvist, Robertson, Othmann, Berard, other picks, not Zac Jones, even Schneider if it came down to it. I know some of those names will draw some ire but they are still there as trade chips if needed.

 

[Ruggs225]

Hope everything is ok with Nemeth.

maybe he realizes he is terrible and is debating on quitting?

but yeah on a serious note, hope he is ok.

 

[duhmetreE]

Our 5v5 play is lacking.....






Let's practice 4v3

 

[Thirty One]

maybe he realizes he is terrible and is debating on quitting?

but yeah on a serious note, hope he is ok.

Or maybe he's been terrible because he's battling something personally.

Yeah that is true. I wonder if there's something there where the Rangers can retain on Phil, as part of the transaction.

That is some sneaky shit and I like it.

 

[Anthony5967]

They also produced more and got less ice time than Laf and Kakko and somehow weren't destroyed by it.

Go look at their PP numbers, 31.

 

[Fitzy]

We have so much cap space that we could certainly get a couple of assets by retaining some rental money, for sure. Being that middleman team.

But I doubt they'd do it.

 

[duhmetreE]

We're so quick to call everyone soft... how does Chytil continue to escape?

 

[duhmetreE]

 

[Ruggs225]

We have so much cap space that we could certainly get a couple of assets by retaining some rental money, for sure. Being that middleman team.

But I doubt they'd do it.

i would do it if price was right.. ie get a 2nd round pick

 

[Ruggs225]

at least barron is with laf. But u know this means they will both see only 8 min of ice time

 

[bleedblue94]

Dear God...

 

[duhmetreE]

who is running these practices? How is this priority?

 

[NYR Viper]

The great majority of the high dollar rentals will go at 50%. That’s what selling teams do. The outlier here is Vegas, which will likely need to move cap dollars as opposed to selling a rental.

How many contracts can you retain on? I thought it was two at a time? If yes, Arizona can not retain on Kessel as they are already retaining on OEL and Kuemper

 

[GAGLine]

Giroux is interesting for a couple of reasons:

1) He has a NMC so that will more than likely rule out a few teams who MAY have interest
2) His cap hit is HUGE, so this will also dwindle the market of teams even remotely possible
3) He mainly plays RW now

I’m okay with it because he’s still strong on the draw even if he doesn’t play center a ton. He could go RW on the Zib or Bread line and bring a lot of punch and veteran savvy as a rental. We are one of few teams that can take on the cap hit, etc. He can take key draws though which is nice.

I am not super hot on going after a bigger priced rental, but if you are, I think he is the guy that makes the most sense.

What do people think the cost would be?

Giroux is good on faceoffs, which would help, but I think he'll be more expensive than he's worth. I think Reilly Smith is a better fit (minus the faceoffs) and will be significantly cheaper to acquire. I'm not really interested in trading for guys with high costs to acquire, unless they are going to be here long term.

I think the Rangers have to put Miller in the deal to get Chychrun. I'm personally not opposed to that. If they did agree to move Miller, the add probably wouldn't be two additional high value pieces. I don't think Nils+Kravtsov+1st gets it done.
I'm not hot on Kessel. At this point in his career, he's a playmaker, not a shooter. Ther Rangers really don't need that. And the prices he will command (at least a #2) can be better spent elsewhere. Someone will eventually trade for Kessel (Pittsburgh or Minnesota)

If Miller is the cost for Chychrun I'm not opposed as long as the rest of the add is minimal (ie a second).

Then other seconds and thirds and Hajeks and Gauthiers for Lekkonen types and call it a wrap.

I think Miller+ for Chychrun is a risk worth taking. Obviously the plus is important in this conversation and so is the aspect of retention. Would Miller+Kravtsov+1 or something to that effect be enough to get them to retain or is that something that they would need just to make the trade happen without retention? It's an important question.

According to Friedman, the Rangers are out (for now) on Chychrun:

6. It’s grind time for Jakob Chychrun. There are several teams going hard at this. Florida is there for sure, but I'm not convinced they want to move Anton Lundell. I think Columbus is there. Anaheim, Boston and Carolina have been there. I suspect Colorado is in stealth mode. No doubt there are others. My sense is Los Angeles and the Rangers are out for now -- weird stuff happens, you never know. But we’re past the fact-finding stage and we’ll see when it closes.

To me, trading Miller in a package for Chychrun doesn't make sense. Our left defense them becomes Lindgren-Chychrun-??? We would still need someone for the 3rd pair not named Nemeth or Hajek. I like Jones, but he isn't ready to be an every day dman for a team hoping to make some noise in the playoffs. Maybe Miller isn't either, but he's ahead of Jones, and I'd sooner bet on him at this point.

 

[Thirty One]

Go look at their PP numbers, 31.

2:20 and 2:36 per game in their first three seasons. Compared to 1:42 for Kakko and 1:20 for Laf. Definitely more, but I'm sure they would have gotten their PP time cut too if they went hundreds of minutes without a PP point.

 

[Ruggs225]

who is running these practices? How is this priority?

haha so true.

how about learning how to pass to a teammates stick in stride? Ghat would be helpful since we always pass to our skates.

another is the art of the breakout pass.

or dont just stand at the boards waiting for the puck to come to you

Or take the god damn shot off the rush instead of making the extra pass to blow any scoring opportunity because we dont know how to complete a pass.

 

[NYR Viper]

We have so much cap space that we could certainly get a couple of assets by retaining some rental money, for sure. Being that middleman team.

But I doubt they'd do it.

This would be beyond smart to do and it would backfill some assets for them to use in the future. I doubt Drury does it...

 

[rangers1314]

Sounds like its "personal reasons" again for Nemeth.

Hope it's nothing serious.

 

[zlev]

what about bringing back Brassard for a 3rd round pick or something? a lot more attractive than giving up actual things for JT f***ing Miller