Lindgren and Fox were paired at World Juniors in 2017-18.
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Just sayin...
Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXXIV
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I hope - for many reasons - that the TML:s get severely manhandled and swept by the Bruins in the 1st round. Their belligerent fan base - with Don Cherry leading the choir - will scream for more size, added good ole Canadian boys from the plains and stacks of sandpaper. Just imagine the meltdown. Not even sure that Babcock makes it out alive through that. Will make them an easy target to rob of talent.
Winnipeg and TML out in the 1st round (fans screaming for shakeups)
Dallas to WCF (Zucc leading the way and resigns under fan pressure)
TBL hoist the Cup
NYR Win the lottery
That would be something. Although then the bells of Armageddon would likely start chiming...
Winnipeg and TML out in the 1st round (fans screaming for shakeups)
Dallas to WCF (Zucc leading the way and resigns under fan pressure)
TBL hoist the Cup
NYR Win the lottery
That would be something. Although then the bells of Armageddon would likely start chiming...
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The “Fox News” (hahahaha - some pun) is something I have been bringing up for many months. I was told here by several posters that it was certain he would sign with Carolina. There ya go!
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Kaut isn’t likely the type of player Colorado would walk away from the table if we offered that package. I think it’s fair value. I mean I’m not asking for makar here
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I wonder if they would be open to dealing his rights in the offseason. I would assume he'd sign with the Rangers. Just have that agreement in place he'd sign his ELC after the trade instead of going back to school.
I could see why he could potentially want that degree from an Ivy league school though in case hockey falls through.
But he could complete the degree after his first pro season is over. Kreider did it.
The Harvard guys usually stay in school all 4 years. Jimmy Vesey. Alex Killorn. Alex Kerfoot.
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We should have Leetch standing outside Fox's house with a contract the morning he is eligible to sign.
If he doesn't sign Brian's wife can beat him up.
If he doesn't sign Brian's wife can beat him up.
These last few weeks have been tough slogging. The first 2 goals vs Pittsburgh only to see them flail and wither giving up 5 to a team without 2 of its top players.
They have almost stunk themselves into a bottom 5 position with Buffalo having a game in "hand" for suckitude. Talk about a lost franchise... Things could be worse if you were a Sabres fan.
With the Seattle expansion coming I think most franchises are playing coy as they saw the chaos that Vegas wrecked on some teams.
I'd prefer NY go into next season without signing another Dman as UFA like they did this season with McQuaid. Unless its a Dan Girardi type move of offering a contract to a kid who wasn't drafted.
Its another spot for someone to get some NHL time in the show and for NY to see if he is effective and can improve.
I agree with the sentiment that Staal and Shat wear the letter and answer to the press.
The recent upturn in Buchnevich's play has me thinking that maybe some of the kids are buying into DQ's koolaid. Pavel has put on some weight and looks better out there, then again he did miss significant time and is playing against guys who are probably worn down at this point in the season. I want to believe in the kid. I think most of us here do as well.
I'm really enjoying Lemieux's play, chirping and drawing penalties. This kid is a player NY can use. He was buried in Manitoba but not so here.
Still hoping Andersson finds a way to make a positive addition to the lineup. Not sold on him yet, but to see him at least earn a shot at 3C next season would be nice.
I'm hoping for some synergy next season. At least being competitive is what I am think about for next season. The final score doesn't interest me as much as the brain trust sticking the plan and not screwing up too much with the picks which obviously will have to wait and see on. Just for the love of God, please don't let James Dolan bring his curse into his other franchise. The Knicks are so woeful...
The Kreider angle interests me because of his Russian speaking ability. Especially with a few more KHL players in bound he could ease the transition and in that regard I always think of Don Murdoch who was lights out until he discovered the night life and was without "guidance". So it wouldn't be the worst move to keep him around. Maybe more money on a shorter time frame giving him a chance to get a payday in 2021 at age 30 elsewhere. NY will have the cap space, and when that finishes up so will the lions share of Girardi's too.
They have almost stunk themselves into a bottom 5 position with Buffalo having a game in "hand" for suckitude. Talk about a lost franchise... Things could be worse if you were a Sabres fan.
With the Seattle expansion coming I think most franchises are playing coy as they saw the chaos that Vegas wrecked on some teams.
I'd prefer NY go into next season without signing another Dman as UFA like they did this season with McQuaid. Unless its a Dan Girardi type move of offering a contract to a kid who wasn't drafted.
Its another spot for someone to get some NHL time in the show and for NY to see if he is effective and can improve.
I agree with the sentiment that Staal and Shat wear the letter and answer to the press.
The recent upturn in Buchnevich's play has me thinking that maybe some of the kids are buying into DQ's koolaid. Pavel has put on some weight and looks better out there, then again he did miss significant time and is playing against guys who are probably worn down at this point in the season. I want to believe in the kid. I think most of us here do as well.
I'm really enjoying Lemieux's play, chirping and drawing penalties. This kid is a player NY can use. He was buried in Manitoba but not so here.
Still hoping Andersson finds a way to make a positive addition to the lineup. Not sold on him yet, but to see him at least earn a shot at 3C next season would be nice.
I'm hoping for some synergy next season. At least being competitive is what I am think about for next season. The final score doesn't interest me as much as the brain trust sticking the plan and not screwing up too much with the picks which obviously will have to wait and see on. Just for the love of God, please don't let James Dolan bring his curse into his other franchise. The Knicks are so woeful...
The Kreider angle interests me because of his Russian speaking ability. Especially with a few more KHL players in bound he could ease the transition and in that regard I always think of Don Murdoch who was lights out until he discovered the night life and was without "guidance". So it wouldn't be the worst move to keep him around. Maybe more money on a shorter time frame giving him a chance to get a payday in 2021 at age 30 elsewhere. NY will have the cap space, and when that finishes up so will the lions share of Girardi's too.
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Rangers select 3rd, draft Byram, trade Kreider and the Jets 1st to move up to draft any of Cozen, Dach, Zegras, Turcotte, whatever prospect I do not know enough about, yet will like after they draft him. I'll use Zegras for kicks.
Rangers take back a short term cap hit in the deal, that team can try to use that gained space to extend Kreider, and they do not move totally out of the 1st round. Say Soderberg is the guy who comes back.
Rangers back filled a vet for a vet in that trade, then in the summer they can sign some cheap older vets on short term two year deals which will end at the same time as Lundqvist, Staal, Shattenkirk, Smith. Say Brassard and Boyle are the two, just to reminisce. Expect these short term deals to carry a lot in cap hit as the trade off for the short term.
They play out the season with some vets, some youth should be turning into vets, and lots of youth who are breaking in still.
At that 2020 deadline they end up selling of Namestnikov and Fast, for something like a 2nds/3rds or whatever, they talk to Vesey, Strome about contract extensions, if they like what they hear they keep them, if not they too end up sold.
2020 draft they end up in lottery position, they have some extra later picks from what they sold. They pick 1st overall and draft Lafrenière
2020 off-season, they look for one year older vets even if on a plus 35 bonus laden contract to back fill yet again, but only for one year.
2020-21 season is the last of all those stinky vet contracts, they look to sell off any of them. The ones they can't sell just end in the off-season.
2021 draft still end up in lottery position yet by then the team is showing signs of turning the corner, so they are at like #12 in the draft, and still have extra picks from anything they were able to sell off out of Shattenkirk, Staal, Smith.
2021 off-season, So much to do, this is where they flip the switch. They have tons of youth, prospects, picks, tons and tons of cap space, they can do whatever they want. The stockpiling is all done, they know more about what all the stockpiling provided, they can sign whoever, look for hockey trades, and go back to trying to make the playoffs and advance in them.
By then Zbad, Buch, Chytil, Lias, Lemieux, Howden, Kravtsov, (Zegras), (Lafrenière) have taken over the forward ranks with maybe Vesey, Strome or similar rounding them out. They can add from the UFA pool to them once they know what the need.
On D, ADA, Fox, Skjei, Miller, (Byram), Hajek, Lindgren, Rykov, Lundkvist, Keane, some others from the 2019 and 2020 picks are all there. Maybe a UFA here too need be.
In Goal they have Georgiev, Shesterkin, Lindbom, Huska and they probably take a goalie prospect or two in the 2019, 20, drafts, hopefully past the 3rd round though.
That is how they go into the new CBA, and they beat Seattle for the Cup in 2022, Zbad is the Rangers AO, and still are able to keep pretty much the whole team together to go on to win a couple more as they are all in their prime, and they kept enough cap space reserves to extend who they like, and have more prospects coming up to replace who moves on.
It's so simple.
Rangers take back a short term cap hit in the deal, that team can try to use that gained space to extend Kreider, and they do not move totally out of the 1st round. Say Soderberg is the guy who comes back.
Rangers back filled a vet for a vet in that trade, then in the summer they can sign some cheap older vets on short term two year deals which will end at the same time as Lundqvist, Staal, Shattenkirk, Smith. Say Brassard and Boyle are the two, just to reminisce. Expect these short term deals to carry a lot in cap hit as the trade off for the short term.
They play out the season with some vets, some youth should be turning into vets, and lots of youth who are breaking in still.
At that 2020 deadline they end up selling of Namestnikov and Fast, for something like a 2nds/3rds or whatever, they talk to Vesey, Strome about contract extensions, if they like what they hear they keep them, if not they too end up sold.
2020 draft they end up in lottery position, they have some extra later picks from what they sold. They pick 1st overall and draft Lafrenière
2020 off-season, they look for one year older vets even if on a plus 35 bonus laden contract to back fill yet again, but only for one year.
2020-21 season is the last of all those stinky vet contracts, they look to sell off any of them. The ones they can't sell just end in the off-season.
2021 draft still end up in lottery position yet by then the team is showing signs of turning the corner, so they are at like #12 in the draft, and still have extra picks from anything they were able to sell off out of Shattenkirk, Staal, Smith.
2021 off-season, So much to do, this is where they flip the switch. They have tons of youth, prospects, picks, tons and tons of cap space, they can do whatever they want. The stockpiling is all done, they know more about what all the stockpiling provided, they can sign whoever, look for hockey trades, and go back to trying to make the playoffs and advance in them.
By then Zbad, Buch, Chytil, Lias, Lemieux, Howden, Kravtsov, (Zegras), (Lafrenière) have taken over the forward ranks with maybe Vesey, Strome or similar rounding them out. They can add from the UFA pool to them once they know what the need.
On D, ADA, Fox, Skjei, Miller, (Byram), Hajek, Lindgren, Rykov, Lundkvist, Keane, some others from the 2019 and 2020 picks are all there. Maybe a UFA here too need be.
In Goal they have Georgiev, Shesterkin, Lindbom, Huska and they probably take a goalie prospect or two in the 2019, 20, drafts, hopefully past the 3rd round though.
That is how they go into the new CBA, and they beat Seattle for the Cup in 2022, Zbad is the Rangers AO, and still are able to keep pretty much the whole team together to go on to win a couple more as they are all in their prime, and they kept enough cap space reserves to extend who they like, and have more prospects coming up to replace who moves on.
It's so simple.
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I’m good with Miller going pro after his sophomore year, roll out a D corps of:
Skjei - Shatty
Lindgren - Fox
Hajek - Deangelo
Reunanen
Meanwhile Miller perfects his game in the AHL. I think he is the kinda guy that needs to perfect every step along the way, a year in the AHL would be a given before playing in the NHL. Shoot Pionk into the moon, trade Smith with retention to Buffalo, trade Staal as a UFA Vet rental.
Skjei - Shatty
Lindgren - Fox
Hajek - Deangelo
Reunanen
Meanwhile Miller perfects his game in the AHL. I think he is the kinda guy that needs to perfect every step along the way, a year in the AHL would be a given before playing in the NHL. Shoot Pionk into the moon, trade Smith with retention to Buffalo, trade Staal as a UFA Vet rental.
The Rangers could have signed Hayes last summer for five years. Gorton said no.
https://nypost.com/2019/02/21/thanks-for-your-service-its-time-to-sit-hayes-and-zuccarello/
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Brooks loves Hayes. He viewed Hayes as a linchpin but the Rangers brass didn't.
Hayes would have been a good player for at least 3 years(most likely 4) of the five year contract. The Rangers passed. Hayes has done a good job with Winnipeg. He will get at least 5 years as a free agent. I am sure they wanted to give their younger centers an opportunity in the middle and they didn't want to lock up Hayes until 31. The aging curve came into play.
Kreider will be 29 at the start of his contract extension. He has never scored more than 28 goals in his career. He had the blood clot issue last season. He hurt his hamstring last month. Kreider has another unrelated lower body injury now. Are the lower body injuries a sign of his body beginning to break down? He has suffered any injury before. That's the worst part of the body for him to be injured because he relies so much on his skating ability. A little like Karlsson who has a bad foot injury from a few years ago. Karlsson has missed most of the 2nd half with a groin injury. Is his skating stride different from the foot injury and did that contribute to the groin injury? The Sharks shut Karlsson down a few days ago. They were hoping Karlsson would return before the playoffs started after skating in on his own for a while.
https://nypost.com/2019/02/21/thanks-for-your-service-its-time-to-sit-hayes-and-zuccarello/
Ages 26-31.
Brooks loves Hayes. He viewed Hayes as a linchpin but the Rangers brass didn't.
Hayes would have been a good player for at least 3 years(most likely 4) of the five year contract. The Rangers passed. Hayes has done a good job with Winnipeg. He will get at least 5 years as a free agent. I am sure they wanted to give their younger centers an opportunity in the middle and they didn't want to lock up Hayes until 31. The aging curve came into play.
Kreider will be 29 at the start of his contract extension. He has never scored more than 28 goals in his career. He had the blood clot issue last season. He hurt his hamstring last month. Kreider has another unrelated lower body injury now. Are the lower body injuries a sign of his body beginning to break down? He has suffered any injury before. That's the worst part of the body for him to be injured because he relies so much on his skating ability. A little like Karlsson who has a bad foot injury from a few years ago. Karlsson has missed most of the 2nd half with a groin injury. Is his skating stride different from the foot injury and did that contribute to the groin injury? The Sharks shut Karlsson down a few days ago. They were hoping Karlsson would return before the playoffs started after skating in on his own for a while.
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From your mouth to the big man's ears. It will take a lot of luck to end up 3rd overall this year and win the lottery the next to land Byram and Lafreniere, but it's not out of the realm of possibility. Next year, I'm banking on Lafreniere, Byfield, Lundell, or one of the Swedish forwards putting on a Rangers sweater.
Thought this year was bad? Next season is the bottom out year, and it's a hell of a year to do it. Very winger heavy at the top of the draft, however. The Rangers should take a center this year if Byram is off the board with their high pick. Winger next year. Keep getting high end offensive talent at the top of the draft unless a can't miss top pairing defensive prospect (like a Byram), is available. 2020-21 I think the Rangers end up where they did last year. Between 8th and 11th overall. Better, but not quite there yet. Who knows what happens in the lottery there.
Sign Adam Fox and it transforms the defensive prospect pool. You have Fox, Miller, Lundkvist, Hajek as your future top 4. DeAngelo is looking like a keeper as a 2nd or 3rd pairing OFD long term. Skjei gets dealt in a hockey trade for another forward. You still have Lindgren and Rykov that likely shake out as at least bottom pairing guys at the NHL level. Ragnarsson, Sjalin, Gross, Reunanen, and even Day also have a chance. And that's just on the left side! It makes sense to trade Skjei and a couple of these guys to address an area of weakness. You also have Keane on the right side coming in, though I'm a bit more bearish on his upside than some here.
I would deal Pionk this summer. I don't think he has much value, but he'll get something this summer. His value is never going to be higher. Grit your teeth and go into next year with a defense of Smith, Staal, Skjei (if not dealt), Hajek, Shattenkirk, DeAngelo, and Gilmour as the 7th. Sign a vet like Stralman perhaps to stabilize and insulate DeAngelo and Hajek a bit. Especially if Skjei and/or Pionk are dealt.
Up front, I would do what @Mikos87 has been suggesting and sign some cannon fodder for the 4th line to insulate the likes of Chytil, Andersson, and Kravtsov. At worst, you have veteran leadership at the NHL and AHL levels.
Life as we all know it, would not end in 10 years, but rather as soon as the Gorton or Sather is running to the podium to lead off the draft.
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Sort of, yet I kind of think in general that should be the idea. Mix vets, youth, rookies, flick the switch at some point when it starts to line up.
It comes from a premature projection of system depth at LD and genuine disappointment in what he's done over the last year+
I'm not in the trade-him-now camp necessarily, but I do feel pretty strongly that his play will forever leave a lot to be desired. I'd prefer to hold on to him while we see what actually develops in the system, but would shed zero tears if he's packaged in some type of trade that brings back some more tools for the rebuild.
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Yeah, I was going on the optimistic luck side, yet even without, and them just staying where they will probably draft normally that is still a pretty good chance they get some good players out of that. Without luck maybe they need to sign a high end UFA, or make a high end hockey trade or both at some point. Also did not account for if Tampa wins this year, or what about the Dallas conditions.
If it were me though, mostly I'm focused on the 2021 off-season to be the one where the rebuilding from a selling and stockpiling perspective has ended. Make some short term choices in between yet I do think them keeping that off-season as clean slate as possible is probably a good idea.
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I would keep Smith on the 4th line and use him for spot duty on defense. That leaves a spot open whether Pionk is dealt or not, and fills a 4th line role. If we can trade Shattenkirk, I would, but I think we'll have to wait until July 2020, after his signing bonus is paid, unless we retain on him.
I'd rather have Lindgren up than Gilmour, though if Pionk or Shatty are dealt, then Gilmour can be the 7th or we can get a journeyman vet. Maybe we bring back Claesson.
I don't want to trade him unless it helps us strengthen another part of the team. I'm more inclined to trade him for a RH dman with size than for a forward. We have depth on the left side. Hajek and Lindgren both look like they may be ready for full time duty. Staal is still here for 2 more years, as is Smith. I have suggested Skjei for Trouba. They are the same age. Trouba will cost more, obviously, but he's a better player at this stage of his career. Injuries are a concern, but that's the type of deal I would be looking for if we move Skjei.
If we can draft Byram, then trading Skjei at some point makes even more sense. It may not be this summer, but I wouldn't be surprised if Skjei is dealt within the next 2 years.
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Not going to lie to, reading Brooks articles on Hayes this last year was like reading Webster talk about Zucc.
As for Kreider, the more time that passes, the more comfortable I become with possibly moving him.
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He’s talented and he’s important to the Rangers. But I’d by lying if I said there aren’t warning signs there.
At best, he’s hurt again and it’s once again enough to completely torpedo his production. At worst, he’s completely disappeared offensively again.
Both are concerning for me in different ways, and at 28, there’s this growing feeling in me saying that we’re at the peak with him and it might be best to sell high.
I tend to trust my gut on certain things, even if there’s not always concrete proof of why I believe a certain way. Right now, that feeling in my gut concerning Kreider is growing with each passing week.
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It’s not skjei’s fault he’s a second pairing dman being forced to play as a number one dman on a terrible team.
If you had A legit guy in front of him he’d be a very good second pairing dman.
Say you had
Miller DeAngelo
Skjei Fox
Hajek Lundkvist
He’d look great for 5 mil a year in that spot.
If you had A legit guy in front of him he’d be a very good second pairing dman.
Say you had
Miller DeAngelo
Skjei Fox
Hajek Lundkvist
He’d look great for 5 mil a year in that spot.
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