Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXXIV

[GAGLine]

I'd probably not go Trouba. It's not that I dislike him but if Trouba and ADA are here, maybe Fox sees that as a reason to not. Plus I'm probably not liking whatever his extension turns out to be.

Maybe. I'm definitely in favor of signing Fox, if that's a possibility, but I don't think he fills the void that we have on the right side. He's too similar to ADA and Pionk, though he may end up being better than both. We need a big, RH dman who can play big minutes and shut down the other team's best players.

 

[LaffyTaffy]

I have to say, I expected Buch to be resigned by now. Not sure why we are waiting.

 

[Off Sides]

Maybe. I'm definitely in favor of signing Fox, if that's a possibility, but I don't think he fills the void that we have on the right side. He's too similar to ADA and Pionk, though he may end up being better than both. We need a big, RH dman who can play big minutes and shut down the other team's best players.

I guess that would depend, perhaps all they need if ADA and Fox work out is a lesser than Trouba RD who has the size, shutdown ability.

On the left side if they end up with Miller, Hajek, Skjei, they all have at least some size. The shutdown ability yet to be seen/known.

Lindgren actually seems more like the prospect who, if they need a net front guy, is leaning that way.

 

[True Blue 96]

They should just trade Pionk for Fox rights. This way you free up a spot on D, Carolina gets a RHD with offense and has more value then what they will get offered around the league (3rd-4th rounder).

Have Fox finish out his year at Harvard and sign him at the end of the season.

 

[NYR Viper]

Shattenkirk, to me, is the guy to be dealt from an overcrowded defense. They need a different type of defenseman on the right side unless the feeling is that Smith will be a full-time 4th line forward and RD PKer for next season. To me, that's bad news.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

They should just trade Pionk for Fox rights. This way you free up a spot on D, Carolina gets a RHD with offense and has more value then what they will get offered around the league (3rd-4th rounder).

Have Fox finish out his year at Harvard and sign him at the end of the season.

I’d be so game for this, but the canes are pretty analytic heavy and know what a good Defenseman looks like.

Pionk is not that.

 

[True Blue]

Shattenkirk, to me, is the guy to be dealt from an overcrowded defense. They need a different type of defenseman on the right side unless the feeling is that Smith will be a full-time 4th line forward and RD PKer for next season. To me, that's bad news.

He should be the guy to get traded, but to me he is borderline untradeable at this point. even if the Rangers retain half.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

He should be the guy to get traded, but to me he is borderline untradeable at this point. even if the Rangers retain half.

Give me a break, at 3.3m caphit no team in the NHL would trade for Shattenkirk? Ridiculous.

 

[True Blue]

Give me a break, at 3.3m caphit no team in the NHL would trade for Shattenkirk? Ridiculous.

I stand by my assertion. A $3.3m 3rd pair PP specialist defenseman who does not play a lick of defense, coming off having recent knee surgery and has a contract with NTC/NMC is not a commodity that an NHL contending team will want for the next two years. And if team is not a contender, then why would they want him?

 

[Rangers in 7]

I stand by my assertion. A $3.3m 3rd pair PP specialist defenseman who does not play a lick of defense, coming off having recent knee surgery and has a contract with NTC/NMC is not a commodity that an NHL contending team will want for the next two years. And if team is not a contender, then why would they want him?

because he still is a good defensemen, dont let your bias towards shatty influence you.....at 3.3 mill every playoff team would take him come on

 

[NYR Viper]

He should be the guy to get traded, but to me he is borderline untradeable at this point. even if the Rangers retain half.

We will have to agree to disagree on this.

Shattenkirk is close to the top of the league in the last 20 or so game in assists from a defenseman. He is what he is. A 2nd pairing, PP guy. But he only has 2 years remaining on a front-loaded contract which will pay him an average salary of $5.3m per season. He has a proven track record of recording points from the back-end and is 30 years old. There isn't that much risk for a team looking for offensive help from the back-end with just a 2 year deal. I could see teams like Buffalo, Vegas, maybe Dallas and Edmonton being very interested and that's just off the top of my head.

I'm not saying the Rangers would be receiving the other teams best prospect but a late 1st or early 2nd + a couple of good prospects would be what I would shoot for.

Perhaps something like:

Bogosian (bottom-pairing RD for 1 season) + SJ 1st + prospect for Shattenkirk

Sabres ad just about $1.4m in cap hit this year but get an improvement on their back-end and someone who can help their PP. The Rangers get a different type of RD for 1 year who can provide some toughness and PKing ability. No long term commitment.

 

[Off Sides]

The D logjam?

I'm not convinced Gilmour is staying. He is slated to be a UFA, I figured if they were going to retain him they would have done so at the same time they extended Neives, Fogarty.

Claesson, I assume they qualify him yet if he ends up staying and gets beat out by a prospect I don't think they are going to have a difficult time either trading him for not much or just waiving him.

Smith I think this 4th line thing is sort of a preview of whats to come, sometimes he is scratched, sometimes a wing, sometimes a D.

Shattenkirk I think stays, I'm not sure there is a trade to me made there, some to do with clauses, some to do with teams not wanting his cap hit even with retention, imo he can just hang out.

For next year, sans a trade, I'd guess

Staal, Skjei Hajek, on LD

ADA, Shattenkirk, Pionk on RD

Smith, Claesson the extras.

By 2021 all of Staal, Smith, Shattenkirk, Pionk, Claesson are replaced. Miller, Lindgren, Lundkvist, Keane as the most likely current candidates.

They may not want to carry 8 NHL D next season if they are going to try to split time between three goalies. Maybe they do move Pionk, or Claesson if they want an extra roster spot.

AHL room? O'Gara is probably gone. Bergman may leave too. Bigras if signed would be waiver eligible, I'm not sure they qualify him but if so I assume also waived?

Lindgren, Crawley, Raddysh, Day, Keane, Rykov, Reunanen as the AHLers, with maybe Bigras rounding out the 8? Sort of young, yet maybe.

Am I missing anyone?

 

[True Blue]

because he still is a good defensemen, dont let your bias towards shatty influence you.....at 3.3 mill every playoff team would take him come on

He has been an absolute abomination on the ice defensively. This is not bias. This is what I see. If he was remotely tradeable, why would Gorton not have moved him? Not like he is a part of the future.

 

[True Blue]

We will have to agree to disagree on this.

Shattenkirk is close to the top of the league in the last 20 or so game in assists from a defenseman. He is what he is. A 2nd pairing, PP guy. But he only has 2 years remaining on a front-loaded contract which will pay him an average salary of $5.3m per season. He has a proven track record of recording points from the back-end and is 30 years old. There isn't that much risk for a team looking for offensive help from the back-end with just a 2 year deal.

That is fine. We can do that.

I guess the issue is right there. You see 2nd pairing. I see third pairing and never to be on the ice during defensive draws. To me the risk is that he is excactly that and the opposing team is now stuck with him for an extra year due to this contract and the NTC/NMC associated with it.

 

[Rangers in 7]

He has been an absolute abomination on the ice defensively. This is not bias. This is what I see. If he was remotely tradeable, why would Gorton not have moved him? Not like he is a part of the future.

so id take shatty over a majority of these guys, 3.3 mill for him yea just about every team would be in on him

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Every team in the league would be in on Shattenkirk at 50% retained. Only people that think he's been terrible recently are the folks who have been biased against him from the start

And maybe they haven't traded him because the team finds him valuable, and it's not like there are any other guys banging on the door to play top 4 RD minutes

 

[True Blue]

so id take shatty over a majority of these guys, 3.3 mill for him yea just about every team would be in on him

You are ignoring a) his awful defensive play b) the fact that for the next two years he would still retain NMC/NTC. How many of these players still have two term years with such clauses?

Without looking at all, Jack Johnson does not. Michael Stone does not. Del Zotto does not. Goudas does not. I don't think that the contract that Girardi signed with Tampa does. You cannot overlook these clauses. They matter.

 

[McRanger]

Shattenkirk is only untradeable if there is some lingering psychical issue or if his movement clauses make it so. Which are distinct possibilities.

Otherwise the idea that no team would want him at a retained rate is a fantasy. He would have offers from half the league is he were a FA asking for just 3m PER for only 2 years. Some team would probably give him a Mike Green deal.

I just wouldn't expect to get much in return for him now. Either move him now for little to nothing or deal with him in 1.5 years hoping he rebounds enough to have value at the TDL in 2021.

 

[True Blue]

Every team in the league would be in on Shattenkirk at 50% retained. Only people that think he's been terrible recently are the folks who have been biased against him from the start

Players I like: Everyone should love them
Players someone does not like: They have a bias against them.

I do not have a bias towards Shattenkirk. But again, what team is beating down the door of a 3rd pairing defenseman who is inept defensively, had major knee surgery the previous years and has a contract for two more years and NTC/NMC on it? For $3.3, which is too much money for a third pairing defenseman.

 

[True Blue]

He would have offers from half the league is he were a FA asking for just 3m for only 2 years. Some team would probably give him a Mike Green deal.

You probably meant to say $6m for two years. Or $3m per

 

[FIRE DRURY]

I have to say, I expected Buch to be resigned by now. Not sure why we are waiting.

What's the rush?

 

[McRanger]

You probably meant to say $6m for two years. Or $3m per

Eh I thought that was obvious in the context of the sentence. His two requests were 1) 3m in salary and 2) two years in term.

I still love you TB, whether you were being helpful or pedantic.

 

[effen]

He has been an absolute abomination on the ice defensively. This is not bias. This is what I see. If he was remotely tradeable, why would Gorton not have moved him? Not like he is a part of the future.

Corsica has him as the #32 RD itl, or the 'worst' 1st pairing RD.

His eyetest can be bad but there's probably a lot of selection bias in there. He's badly exposed because the Rangers team D is generally pretty poor but he's not worthless.

 

[DanielBrassard]

Corsica has him as the #32 RD itl, or the 'worst' 1st pairing RD.

His eyetest can be bad but there's probably a lot of selection bias in there. He's badly exposed because the Rangers team D is generally pretty poor but he's not worthless.

Those ratings are not useful, but in any case it's not true at all that he's an abomination defensively. His biggest problem this year has been his PP production which is why he's on pace for slightly more than 30 points instead of 40+.

 

[GAGLine]

He has been an absolute abomination on the ice defensively. This is not bias. This is what I see. If he was remotely tradeable, why would Gorton not have moved him? Not like he is a part of the future.

Not many players with 2+ years get traded at the trade deadline. The buyers aren't generally looking for that type of contract. That doesn't mean that he can't be traded at the draft or in the summer when more teams will be in the mix.

If not this offseason, then next trade deadline maybe, or next offseason. His final year, after his signing bonus is paid, he makes only 2 mil in actual salary. I'm sure the cap floor teams would be interested.