Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXXIII

[Larrybiv]

So who is ready for Spooner part deuce?
Hopefully he suck as much for Van next season as he did in Edm so we can get him back free or even get a pick with him.
Stick him in Hartford for the rest of the season.

Yeah, and then trade him back to Edmonton and wiggle "pool party" from them.
Someone needs to stick a fork in him, cause I think Spooner's done!

 

[Larrybiv]

Like the Gilmour call up. Thought he was better last year in his stint than a lot of people thought.

Just don't dare to pair him with Pionkadonk.

 

[Larrybiv]

Can't wait to see Lettieri get top 6 minutes and PP time while Lias continues to play 7 minutes a game

Remember that Vinny does have a good RH shot. He can be a staple on this anemic PP we have right now. All he NEEDS is a couple of goals (1 to start off with) to give his NHL confidence a boost. You don't think for one NY MINUTE, that he doesnt wonder why he can score at will in Hartford and can't do a damned thing with the Rangers?

We have nothing to lose. Play him on 1st line PP, and see what happens with Zbad, Buch, Kreider and Tony. Just watch, I bet we catch lightning in a bottle this time around.

You heard it here first!

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Because this team has been garbage at medical evaluation for years.

I think it’s more of a pride thing than a medical staff thing.

If we were the habs or devils he would have gotten the season off after Tampa.

 

[Off Sides]

Hiding in that Brooks thing, Kreider learning from Nash how to get through lulls is interesting, scoring like 40 goals in five months then scoring like 100 in the 5 year surrounding those five months is an interesting way to go about things. Nash past age 30 never put up more than 38 points and was injured a ton, contract considerations indeed.

 

[LaffyTaffy]

With Chytil out with the Flu, I simply do not see a reason why Quinn wouldn't try Lias on the Powerplay. He has convinced himself that Lias is a PKer, but he has the offensive awareness to work a PP with Zib, pretty sure they did that with Sweden last year. Give the kid a damn chance to score.

 

[Mac n Gs]

It’s good to hear that a decision on Kreider will be made this summer rather than dragging it out through next February. Brooks’ quip in a recent article about this lull in Kreider’s play sticking in management’s memory looks weirder now if his recent downtick these past ten games is because of injury. He had 16 points in the 25 games prior to the injury (since the new year). Yeah the goal scoring dipped, but I don’t really get the complaints about a 0.64ppg pace when that’s considered a “down” swing for a player. C’est la vie.

If they move him, I’m still expecting something between the Granlund and Muzzin deals. If it’s done on draft day that could change it, but I seriously doubt we’ll see him moved for a Lucic-like deal as some have said here. Keep in mind, our LW depth is absolutely abysmal next season if he’s gone, and you’re looking at a top-6 LW of Namestnikov and Vesey. Unless there’s a bigger plan in place, the depth is still shaping up to be horrific next season. They really better hope at least 2 of Chytil, Howden, or Lias start turning a corner next year by their respective D+3 & D+4 years. That’s usually when you see eventual top-6 players start showing that ability. D+5 is usually where they solidify it.

 

[NYR Viper]

It’s good to hear that a decision on Kreider will be made this summer rather than dragging it out through next February. Brooks’ quip in a recent article about this lull in Kreider’s play sticking in management’s memory looks weirder now if his recent downtick these past ten games is because of injury. He had 16 points in the 25 games prior to the injury (since the new year). Yeah the goal scoring dipped, but I don’t really get the complaints about a 0.64ppg pace when that’s considered a “down” swing for a player. C’est la vie.

If they move him, I’m still expecting something between the Granlund and Muzzin deals. If it’s done on draft day that could change it, but I seriously doubt we’ll see him moved for a Lucic-like deal as some have said here. Keep in mind, our LW depth is absolutely abysmal next season if he’s gone, and you’re looking at a top-6 LW of Namestnikov and Vesey. Unless there’s a bigger plan in place, the depth is still shaping up to be horrific next season. They really better hope at least 2 of Chytil, Howden, or Lias start turning a corner next year by their respective D+3 & D+4 years. That’s usually when you see eventual top-6 players start showing that ability. D+5 is usually where they solidify it.

Next year is going to be the bottom of the barrel for this team, with, or without Kreider.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

If Krieder takes a friendly contract we should keep him, if he doesn’t and wants to test FA then we trade him at deadline unless we get a ridonkolous offer at draft.

No problem with Gilmour getting a look but now that his development window is shut, we and he have to decide whether he’s a Hunwick/Gilroy type that can hold down an NHL job or more likely a shuttler or 7 like Clend/Kampfer. His ceiling and floor are very close together.

Now we need to move one of Staal, Smith, Shatty now and another at deadline and the 3rd completes his term or moves at 2021 deadline.

 

[GAGLine]

Now we need to move one of Staal, Smith, Shatty now and another at deadline and the 3rd completes his term or moves at 2021 deadline.

I think it's unlikely that any can be moved before July, 2020.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

It’s good to hear that a decision on Kreider will be made this summer rather than dragging it out through next February. Brooks’ quip in a recent article about this lull in Kreider’s play sticking in management’s memory looks weirder now if his recent downtick these past ten games is because of injury. He had 16 points in the 25 games prior to the injury (since the new year). Yeah the goal scoring dipped, but I don’t really get the complaints about a 0.64ppg pace when that’s considered a “down” swing for a player. C’est la vie.

If they move him, I’m still expecting something between the Granlund and Muzzin deals. If it’s done on draft day that could change it, but I seriously doubt we’ll see him moved for a Lucic-like deal as some have said here. Keep in mind, our LW depth is absolutely abysmal next season if he’s gone, and you’re looking at a top-6 LW of Namestnikov and Vesey. Unless there’s a bigger plan in place, the depth is still shaping up to be horrific next season. They really better hope at least 2 of Chytil, Howden, or Lias start turning a corner next year by their respective D+3 & D+4 years. That’s usually when you see eventual top-6 players start showing that ability. D+5 is usually where they solidify it.

If they move Krieder (hell, even if they don't) and they can get throught he minefield that is the UFA season, operation "Lafreniere" would be in full effect.

 

[Gardner McKay]

Because this team has been garbage at medical evaluation for years.

Yup. There's very clearly an issue here. A very Mets-esque medical staff.

Didn't Gaborik credit the Rangers medical staff to helping him finally get past some of his lingering issues? Granted, that was 10 years ago but I don't think our staff is quite that bad.

 

[DutchShamrock]

If Krieder takes a friendly contract we should keep him, if he doesn’t and wants to test FA then we trade him at deadline unless we get a ridonkolous offer at draft.

No problem with Gilmour getting a look but now that his development window is shut, we and he have to decide whether he’s a Hunwick/Gilroy type that can hold down an NHL job or more likely a shuttler or 7 like Clend/Kampfer. His ceiling and floor are very close together.

Now we need to move one of Staal, Smith, Shatty now and another at deadline and the 3rd completes his term or moves at 2021 deadline.

I think the decision is more elementary than that on Kreider. Before we get to money, I need to know if he is ever going to be more than an inconsistent winger with elite athletic ability. I'm concerned he has never put it all together and he fell off again. He's 28, I can't tell myself any more that he is a leader, a night in, night out performer. He's not a 30 goal scorer, not a 60 pt wing. A lot of people bought into him turning a corner when his first half was great. I wanted to wait to get the full picture before I was convinced.

I like Kreider and I want a home grown player to be the guy, but I'm getting more and more into the camp that his greatest value for us would be in a trade. 6 x $6.5m is a good and fair deal, but that doesn't mean that is the best course of action going forward.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Didn't Gaborik credit the Rangers medical staff to helping him finally get past some of his lingering issues? Granted, that was 10 years ago but I don't think our staff is quite that bad.

Maybe, our medical staff was able to turn Stralman's career around though.

It isn't them, it's the organizational philosophy. Fast shouldn't be playing either but we're all about that "pride" and "not punting away seasons!"

Karma doesn't care, Montreal basically packed it up after the deadline last year, they still picked 3rd.

 

[Gardner McKay]

Maybe, our medical staff was able to turn Stralman's career around though.

It isn't them, it's the organizational philosophy. Fast shouldn't be playing either but we're all about that "pride" and "not punting away seasons!"

Karma doesn't care, Montreal basically packed it up after the deadline last year, they still picked 3rd.

That is fair and an entirely separate debate (one I agree with). I think our medical staff is significantly better than people give credit for and probably one of the best in the league.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

The other thing is most guys are not going to want to come out of the lineup.

I think they entirely f***ed up the Shattenkirk situation (he should have sat out the second he got hurt, playing on that knee only made it worse, and they were idiots to try and rush him back at the end of last year) but its like someone else said, there is a difference between being hurt and being injured. Shatty was Injured, Kreider is hurt.

What ever is bugging him now wasn't bad enough for him to take maintenance days or whatever during practice time. OTOH, someone like Fast should probably sit out for the remainder of the season. I don't know whats up with him, but it seems like he's been hurt since the beginning of the year.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

Because this team has been garbage at medical evaluation for years.

I don't think it's a poor medical staff. I think the problem is hockey culture, nobody is ever 100% because of the nature of the sport and the medical staff's job is to make sure guys are "healthy enough to play" not that they're 100%. That's just how it is.

 

[bobbop]

Because this team has been garbage at medical evaluation for years.

Tread carefully here. My experience says there is much, much more going on behind the curtain that you and I will ever know. Except for the very obvious, teams don’t make injuries public for a reason.

When I was working in hockey, part of my job was pumping the other teams announcers, reporters and second tier executives for anything I could find out, all of which was promptly communicated to the locker room.

 

[SA16]

Tread carefully here. My experience says there is much, much more going on behind the curtain that you and I will ever know. Except for the very obvious, teams don’t make injuries public for a reason.

When I was working in hockey, part of my job was pumping the other teams announcers, reporters and second tier executives for anything I could find out, all of which was promptly communicated to the locker room.

Teams don't make injuries public because the NHL hasn't demanded it with their policy and has allowed things to get out of hand with secrecy. MLB and NFL require it.

 

[Machinehead]

Tread carefully here. My experience says there is much, much more going on behind the curtain that you and I will ever know. Except for the very obvious, teams don’t make injuries public for a reason.

When I was working in hockey, part of my job was pumping the other teams announcers, reporters and second tier executives for anything I could find out, all of which was promptly communicated to the locker room.

We're in 26th place.

We don't need to gain every last inch at the expense of long-term well-being.

 

[Edge]

Ruff was kept around for experience for these first year coaches

He should be gone after the season

Clearly something isn’t right.

McDonagh played injured like the entire year last year, Shattenkirk with his knee issue

Like wtf

Generally speaking, the Rangers medical staff is considered one of the best in the entire sport.

 

[Tawnos]

Maintaining a culture where the team fights through adversity, including injuries, is just as important as anything else they do through a rebuild.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

Generally speaking, the Rangers medical staff is considered one of the best in the entire sport.

There seems to be a sentiment going around Rangers twitter that the Rangers medical staff is bad because guys have played through injuries.

That's not an issue related to the Rangers medical staff, that's just hockey culture. I'm not saying it's right, but that's how hockey players are. If they can play, even if they're at 75% then they want to play.

The Rangers medical staff is regarded very highly in the league for good reason. The Rangers are among the least man games lost to injuries teams in the league.

And to people saying "it doesn't matter because it's a lost season, why not just sit out" - you think Jesper Fast or Chris Kreider care that it's a lost season? They're only going to get so many years in this league, we expect them not play through something that they would play through if the team were higher in the standings? That's not how these guys are wired. If it were a serious injury, they'd be out.

It's that old hockey adage "are you hurt or injured?" There are some things you play through (hurt) and some things that will keep you out (injured).

I'm not sure why all of the sudden people seem to think hockey culture of playing through injuries is all of the sudden an indictment against the Rangers medical staff.

 

[Beacon]

I think that is pretty much answered already. And that answer is...not much.

He just turn 24 in February and is still making huge strides forward year to year. His Hartford scoring went up 60% from last year. This is the same trend we've seen every year since he was a very random HS player not on anyone's draft radar at the age of 18.

While anything is possible, it would be silly to assume Vinni suddenly stopped all his development on his 24th birthday. Most players still show some improvement at the age of 24 and he's so close to being an NHL player that even minor improvement probably gets him there. But so far Vinni has been improving at a much faster rate than 99% of guys his age, so I have hope to see more than marginal improvement in his game.

 

[True Blue]

Remember that Vinny does have a good RH shot. He can be a staple on this anemic PP we have right now. All he NEEDS is a couple of goals (1 to start off with) to give his NHL confidence a boost. You don't think for one NY MINUTE, that he doesnt wonder why he can score at will in Hartford and can't do a damned thing with the Rangers?

We have nothing to lose. Play him on 1st line PP, and see what happens with Zbad, Buch, Kreider and Tony. Just watch, I bet we catch lightning in a bottle this time around.

You heard it here first!

I am sure he cares. However so far, he has shown himself to be a 4A player. For all the talk of his shot, he actually stops shooting whenever he gets on the ice with the big team. I liked him at camp this year. Then came more of the same. Any time he has gotten himself a chance to show anything, he not taken advantage of any opportunity.