TheBloodyNine
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Not one of those picks/prospects has established themselves as a future elite player, so the rebuild is far from over.
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Not one of those picks/prospects has established themselves as a future elite player, so the rebuild is far from over.
Calad
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And yet that has no bearing on with whether or not we should attract elite talent
haohmaru
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Again, I disagree. The two don't have to be mutually exclusive and it's clear from which of those the Rangers are expecting more core players to come from.
A lot of people are already writing off next season without seeing the team that's going to take the ice. I find that really interesting.
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Another note on Buchnevich. I haven't seen him turning back with the puck in the neutral zone--then getting stripped and knocked down leading to an opposition counterattack in a while. I think he might have figured that out. He's less hesitant shooting the puck and he seems firmer and stronger on his blades right now. These are all good steps he's made in the second half of the season. He has been the player more than any other to pick up his game after the deadline.
Larrybiv
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Probably will be very similar to this season. Quinn will have his squad playing harder than most teams, and will win many early games. Loser points aplenty. And eventually drop like a rock. Only thing that "might change things" would be if we were to get Hughes or Kakko and they immediately make a difference. Regardless, let's face it......we probably will be in a dog fight with the likes of Ottawa, Detroit, NJ and L.A.
Don't see Anaheim, Vancouver or even Buffalo as a threat. Lol.
Heck, honestly.....I don't wish us to be that bad next season. Next season "could be" a stepping stone moving North.
If we trade Kreider, Vesey or Namestnikov though, all bets are off. Uggh, will be ugly.
Ghost of jas
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I don’t believe the Rangers are going to be able to add the necessary talent to make this team more chi better they currently are. I don’t believe the are adding either Panarin or Karlsson. They are still hindered on defense by the contracts of Staal, Shattenkirk and Smith, all of whom will be a year older. And Henke will be a year older. Imagine where if this team had gone the whole year without Zuccarello and Hayes, and where they would be in the standings. And if they end up trading Kreider? That’s not a recipe for improvement.
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Realistically, for the Rangers to compete next year, the overhaul would have to be massive. Even if they win the lottery and sign the four biggest FA's (which won't happen), I still don't believe they will be competitive. Maybe they squeak into the playoffs as the 6-8th seed, but no way are they cup contenders.
The overall makeup of the team is too young and inexperienced, or just plain dumpster fire level. Moreover, I see basically no signs that Gorton plans on making these desired quick fixes. The only way I see that happening is if Dolan pressures him, which doesn't seem to be his way with the Rangers and he will more than likely be pre-occupied with the Knicks this summer.
As for the first part of your paragraph, I wholeheartedly agree, but I don't see this FA pool as being the one the Rangers significantly dip their toes in to round out the roster. The team is just not at that stage yet and there are enormous red flags when it comes to EK. I can see them signing Panarin, but with his age, I think it would be stupid.
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Playing with Lemieux has been good for him too. The man creates space and has his mates backs.
Why stop there and limit yourself? Forget Kappo, let's make sure that there is ample room for Hughes.
As for vets that care, you do not think that ZBad or Kreider care about winning? Let's remember that while Zucc may also care, he produced exactly next to nothing when not on the same line as Kreider.
TheBloodyNine
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It most certainly does. Tavares signed in Toronto for certain reasons, but if you don't think that some of those reasons were because they already had two established superstars in Matthews and Marner you have another thing coming. Guys aren't going to be attracted to signing here because of a bunch of players they don't even know, most of which are not even playing in the league. This team is not ready to compete, those players you are talking about have yet to establish themselves as legitimate top line players in the NHL, so yeah, it does matter.
TheBloodyNine
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Paying a guy that much money and then expecting him to play up to that contract does not make that guy a complimentary part of the puzzle. Players who make that much money on a team are instantly the core of that team.
And I'd love to hear reasons why this team is going to be better next year than they are right now.
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I forget what the initial quote from Quinn was, but he was focused on getting Buch to be engaged physically on and off the puck. He wasn’t saying that in the hopes for him to be a grinder, but for him to assert his skills on opposing teams and make them go through him. He has the skill to be that type of dominant player, but he’s lacked that piss and vinegar to showcase it consistently. Quinn showing confidence and trust in him will go a long way to keep that present, and we’ll sorely need Buch to become that player moving forward. Like you said, one of his biggest issues has been shooting the puck, and his shot rates have been night and say since his injuries last year.
I hear this all the time. These players become available. You may need to trade for them but they become available.
If looking at things in a vacuum, sure signing them sounds great. But the problem is that there is no support here for them. Even with Kreider and ZBad here. Adding those two to the existing team does not suddenly make this team a contender. And what you will get is more of the same that has happened for a few years now. Maybe a bubble team, one that gets blitzed in the first or second round.
Which does not even address the major issue is that even with both of them, the Rangers will not be ready to contend for a few years. Both will sign contracts for max years and max dollars. So let's idly say that it is 7 years at $11m per. By the time that the Rangers are ready to contend one will be 29 and one will be 30, with 5 years left on each contract and $110 million tied into them. At what relative quick point, do those contracts look like a cap eating albatross around the neck of the franchise?
Edge
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I feel like we'd be adding a motor to a boat that currently has too many holes and is in the process of procuring the necessary repair parts.
And there's just too many "ifs" in the proposals I see, along with too much hope placed on things not only turning out right with our prospects, but turning out right in short order.
I know that you are not for signing him and are playing devil's advocate here but you know perfectly well that a player like Panarin will get max dollars and max years.
I understand the debate. I think it comes down to (at least for me) that this is not the right time or place for such a deal. You would be paying Panarin premium to "wait" for a few years until the Rangers are ready to contend. And by the time that this team will become true contenders (not just being ready to contend), what will Panarin be? BTW, this is not directed at you since I know you fall into the "Don't sign" camp. More of just a general observation.
That is due to:
1) The belief that Gorton is not jumping into free agency and spending big bucks on someone like a Panarin.
2) If that is the axiom, then the Rangers are going to be likely very similar to what you are seeing now.
3) Now add another year of depreciation on a Henke, Stall, Smith, Shattenkirk
4) Factor in what they have looked like without Hayes and a rejuvenated Zucc.
One can make a logical assumption on how they are going to look.
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Until we see these picks start to be come meaningful players, you cannot state how the rebuild is going. Right now there is a lot of hope, but not a lot of substance. Gorton is going about it the right way, but it is far to early to be able to grade it.
SA16
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If you sign Panarin and 4-5 years from now none of the teams prospects panned out and the team is still bad you can just trade him and get a lot back. If you think in 4 years at age 31 he's going to be an inept player with no value you are far too pessimistic.
Yes because everyone is going to be starving to add a player with a 12 million dollar cap hit.
SA16
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Didn't realize a 12M cap hit in 2019-2020 is the same thing as a 12M cap hit in 2023-2014 but now I know.
NTC's are overrated. It gives the player leverage to reject certain spots but the vast majority of the time they let the trade go through. Nash/MSL are rare cases.
News for you, it’s still going to be hefty. The cap is not going to go up to 200 million by then, it may not even be 100 mill.
Almost every team he would be willing to go to (assume NMC, it’s standard with these deals) would be a contender in a certain location. That limits your options off the bat. Now how many of those teams will have the requisite space and the need for said player?
Unless you have the gift of foresight and can answer all of these questions, you’re making a hell of an assumption that this would be an easy contract to move.
And no, the rangers will not foot half of the bill for some team for 3-4 years.
Ghost of jas
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The Panarin talk is going to be rendered moot when Florida trades for both him and Bob’s rights before July 1 and they sign them both long term.
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