Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXXIII
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The salary cap has gone up relatively linearly under the current CBA with a r^2 of 0.97. At that rate 4 years from now that cap would be at 91. While it's not necesarily the case the cap will continue to increase at that rate it is a far better assumption to assume that it will do what it always has than it won't.
Over the last say, 10 years, how many players with a NTC have rejected a trade as opposed to waiving it? The NTC is overrated. Lundqvist said he won't waive that's one. Heatley is another except he then got traded elsewhere a month later. MSL isn't a comparable as he wasn't even on the trade block he just requested a trade to one team.
I don’t disagree, but even at 91 mill, 12 is still a significant cap hit and not one that a team will be able to fit in easily, particularly the type of team Panarin would accept a trade to in this hypothetical.
Those players want too much and the Rangers have already decided to move on from those players.
Yes, but that won’t stop us from beating the pros and cons of signing those guys this summer to death.
Ghost of jas
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Gardner McKay
RIP, Jimmy.
While Raddysh or Foote would be nice and those are the type of assets I would ask for, I don't believe Tampa would be willing to give one of them up to move Callahan's contract. I don't disagree that the confidence level in Pionk is at an all time low but, if we were going to attempt to go the route of taking on Cally's contract, I think we could maximize value by trading Pionk on his own and doing a separate deal for Callahan.
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I agree. The Bolts haven't moved Foote, despite him coming up in every big proposal involving them for the better part of a year. I don't see him going in a salary dump deal. Raddysh's value isn't quite as hot as it was in 2017, but I also don't see him being included.
I think an offer to the Rangers to take Callahan, if there is one, is more likely to be the restrictions coming off the first in 2019, and another pick added as a sweetener --- maybe a second in 2020. I don't see Tampa trading an almost NHL-ready prospect to get rid of Callahan.
Not that I think it'll happen, but it would be funny to see Gorton offer sheet Point. Steal one of their best players after loading them up with our veterans for years? The ultimate long-con. 
Why because I brought up Zibanejad?
I am not that smart. I thought Quinn would be a good coach. His success at BU was not there but as long as he develops the kids, the Rangers can get another coach to push them over the top. The early returns aren’t great. The key kids haven’t gotten better. More regression than progress.
The people on this board become too attached to these players.
It’s a little funny. I just loved the reaction to that trade. We traded Brass god for who? We should just fire Gorton now before he ruins the team. Now those same people don’t want to see Zibanejad traded.
I really like Zibanejad. I won his signed Rangers sweater from the NHL store 3 summers ago. Twitter contest. I mentioned that here when other people were discussing it.
It might be time to cash in on the asset. That’s all.
Zibanejad is having a career year. His NMC starts in July. He has an affordable contract. He also has a concussion history. That was an issue brought up many times when he was concussed last year.
The Rangers keep him if the deal isn’t out there.
I get the argument about free agents, and not wanting to sign them. But the team is going to need bodies that can play. The school of thought where you throw kids over the bench and watch them magically develop isn't the right approach, they have to earn their ice time, and be effective in roles.
Quinn did a good job of that with Buch and ADA, but not the others imo. One of the ways to insulate the line-up is to have more depth. You don't have to front load to do that. There are going to be some serviceable Group 6 UFAs, who are 25 or so with a lot of pro experience that are going to be available. Gorts would be wise to grab a couple of those guys on One-Way deals.
There is no downside to those signings. They either help the farm.... cause you know HFD needs it... or they fill a depth role in the NHL while the kids can get their 20 a night in the AHL as opposed to 7 in the NHL. I don't fully blame Quinn for the yo-yoing, Gorts, Drury and co did not grab enough viable bodies to insulate the AHL and NHL line-up where you had the depth to not put kids in compromising positions.
Which in a rebuilding year.... is a complete failure imo.
The arguments you have about Lias getting 7 a night, Howden going half a season without a goal, Chytil being up and down.... all of that is exacerbated by not having 3-4 other skaters that insulate the organizational line-up. This was a shit job by Gorts and Co imo, and if they go into next season with the same set-up.... I would look to turn over a new leaf. Not the sole reason (terrible contracts), but the clock has started imo.
They need to sign guys like Riley Barber, Daniel Carr... those guys that can be the insulation. Provide scoring and offense in the AHL, and fill in the NHL when a kid is struggling and needs some AHL time.
Quinn did a good job of that with Buch and ADA, but not the others imo. One of the ways to insulate the line-up is to have more depth. You don't have to front load to do that. There are going to be some serviceable Group 6 UFAs, who are 25 or so with a lot of pro experience that are going to be available. Gorts would be wise to grab a couple of those guys on One-Way deals.
There is no downside to those signings. They either help the farm.... cause you know HFD needs it... or they fill a depth role in the NHL while the kids can get their 20 a night in the AHL as opposed to 7 in the NHL. I don't fully blame Quinn for the yo-yoing, Gorts, Drury and co did not grab enough viable bodies to insulate the AHL and NHL line-up where you had the depth to not put kids in compromising positions.
Which in a rebuilding year.... is a complete failure imo.
The arguments you have about Lias getting 7 a night, Howden going half a season without a goal, Chytil being up and down.... all of that is exacerbated by not having 3-4 other skaters that insulate the organizational line-up. This was a shit job by Gorts and Co imo, and if they go into next season with the same set-up.... I would look to turn over a new leaf. Not the sole reason (terrible contracts), but the clock has started imo.
They need to sign guys like Riley Barber, Daniel Carr... those guys that can be the insulation. Provide scoring and offense in the AHL, and fill in the NHL when a kid is struggling and needs some AHL time.
Not that I think it'll happen, but it would be funny to see Gorton offer sheet Point. Steal one of their best players after loading them up with our veterans for years? The ultimate long-con.
I’d do it.
I just can't see the Rangers going the offer sheet route this early in a rebuild. It'd take 4 firsts to get Point and that's a scary move to make when you'll likely be a bottom-10 team next season even with Point in the mix.
Now, the threat of an offer sheet is different. They could corner the Bolts into a hockey trade by threatening to offer sheet Point and convincing them a package around Kreider is more valuable to them than futures, but it's a tough sell for sure. Particularly when Tampa would have plenty of other suitors for s move like that.
Toronto makes more sense as a team to threaten. Say you'll offer sheet Kapanen for a 2nd, or you can facilitate a hockey trade around Nylander and Kreider at a reduced cap hit. They lose the better long term asset, but they aren't impacted as much this up coming season and they can keep most of their roster in tact.
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I think teams would be more likely to match those offer sheets and trade some of their depth pieces. Someone like Killorn, Johnson, Miller, Palat
We won't offer sheet anyone as long as Slats is here.
I'd do it just strictly for the lulz. It wouldn't be a very prudent move with where the team is at right now.
I've said it a bunch of times, I expect to end up with Kapanen.
Ghost of jas
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Your latter scenario is one I can see happening...something centered around Kreider and Andersson for Nylander, with picks balancing out the deal. I’m not in favor of moving Kreider, and I remain unconvinced Kreidee gets moved for a mid-teens 1st. Kreider going in a deal for Nylander or similar young player is a more likely scenario, IMO.
I recall many, many posters here who were very pleased with that trade.
Brass was 2 month away from 29 when he was traded to Ottawa and coming off a 58 point season. Zibby was a 23 year old coming off a 51 point season. The fact that we got a 2nd in that trade made it even that much sweeter.
There weren't many posters calling for Gorton's head with that trade.
Edge
Kris King's Ghost
Kapanen reminds me a lot of Namestnikov in the sense that he's talented enough to look good when paired with higher end talent. But take away that higher end talent, and the drop is dramatic.
Having said that, you'd at least think that his developmental timeline would be referenced more often as an example when we're wondering why our kids aren't lighting the world on fire at 19 or 20.
Having said that, you'd at least think that his developmental timeline would be referenced more often as an example when we're wondering why our kids aren't lighting the world on fire at 19 or 20.
Most of the outrage here was for trading a fan favorite rather than the return.
We don't need to trade Zibanejad and honestly unless the offer for him was so absurd that you couldn't say no, they don't have any reason to. You can build with him and he should be good enough to be a #2 center on a contending team into his 30's.
Gardner McKay
RIP, Jimmy.
There is one other reason I can't see the Rangers throwing an offer sheet as Point. I know people like to give RB a hard time with his emotionless stance towards the players and team. But, I don't think he is wrong when he says "it is just business" because, it is just business. The lesson that hurts the most to learn is you don't EVER burn a bridge and I can't see Gorton burning a bridge with Tampa by either offer sheeting Point, or threatening to do it to work a favorable deal. Even though some will say " why not if it is just business", business is about relationships and familiarity to an extent.
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I think that's a situation where the Rangers can help the Leafs out of their cap jam. Kreider at 50% and Andersson for Nylander and Marleau after July 1st. Marleau gets his SB paid and then the Rangers buy him out. He re-signs with Toronto on a 1yr deal at $1M.
Leafs net over $8m in cap space and their roster is basically just as good as it was prior to the deal. They also get a good prospect to groom as the eventual Kadri replacement.
Rangers get their building block on a pretty reasonable contract. They have to eat the $6.3m cap hit for one year on Marleau, but they have plenty of room to do it.
Edge
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The reality is that if you offer sheet Point, you can essentially kiss any dealings with Tampa goodbye. Most GMs are going to be very hesitant to seal any doors shut.
Gardner McKay
RIP, Jimmy.
Another reason I don't want Point is because the Point puns would be unbearable
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Where would you see a fit for Zibanejad to be moved? What do you think the return would be?
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