Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXII

[McRanger92]

I can’t imagine Miller’s next contract being huge, trading him because you’re worried about his next contract would be silly.

Only way I’d move him is for a center prospect of similar caliber or an upgrade on LD like Chychurn

I keep coming back to something around Miller+ for Chychrun 50% retained. Gives the Rangers a rock solid top 4 D on both sides of the ice and doesnt totally hamstring them salary cap wise.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

I can’t imagine Miller’s next contract being huge, trading him because you’re worried about his next contract would be silly.

Only way I’d move him is for a center prospect of similar caliber or an upgrade on LD like Chychurn

Yeah, I think KAM should be here to stay unless a particular set of circumstance arises.

Say you can acquire Chychurn for a good deal and then move KAM as a centerpiece in a center deal, that's something you maybe consider.

 

[McRanger92]

I think Pod checks every single box that we lack as a team, he is the absolute ideal player for us to target. He is one of the most assertive rookies you’ll ever see, he plays with a lot of pace and doesn’t wait for the play to come to him. Isn’t afraid to shoot the puck, doesn’t mindlessly cycle along the boards. He plays every shift with urgency. He is the anti-Kakko/Laf and he might even rub off on them a bit

I think you are on the right track with the playing style they need to move toward, but another 20 year old with ~30 games under his belt is not really very enticing to me. Weve had enough struggles with our own kids

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

Giving up on Miller early is basically exactly what I expect Drury and the NYR org to do.

Hopefully it works out better than trading Chara did for Millbury.

 

[rangers1314]

The fear is being on the business end of "Jones for Johansson" 2.0

 

[McRanger92]

The fear is being on the business end of "Jones for Johansson" 2.0

Who won that trade? Both guys have underwhelmed relative to expectations, no?

The situation is pretty similar though. Nash traded a young D with worlds of potential because they had a surplus, and acquired a similar aged player in a position of need, leading to a Cup Final appearance the next season. I'm sure they don't regret it despite getting that "worse" player

 

[Lion Hound]

Hmm, how would you guys feel about Miller for Podkolzin?

I love Podkolzins game.

When Quinn was here, i went to the Rangers town hall. That's when they came out with the whole, Fast, Physical, Relentless brand of hockey they were trying to implement. Next years draft was Kakko, but Podkolzin was talked about up and down in that draft thread. Was hoping the Rangers could swing a deal to get into a position to select either him or Peyton Krebs.

Podkolzin in particular was the definition of Fast, Physical, Relentless. Quinn and company are gone but I love the idea of that brand of hockey. I think he would fit perfect here.


Yes to Miller for Podzolzin, and I really like Miller.

 

[bhamill]

I think Pod checks every single box that we lack as a team, he is the absolute ideal player for us to target. He is one of the most assertive rookies you’ll ever see, he plays with a lot of pace and doesn’t wait for the play to come to him. Isn’t afraid to shoot the puck, doesn’t mindlessly cycle along the boards. He plays every shift with urgency. He is the anti-Kakko/Laf and he might even rub off on them a bit

I do not disagree, buddy. Well, maybe second most ideal after a young #2 or better center... And I'd love to see him on a line with Laf or if he can play LW on a line with Kakko. But that being said that's a slanted trade IMO. Just because I think Miller is too much to pay doesn't mean I wouldn't be delighted if the NYR managed to get him. I just think it's one the NYR would regret in 3-4 years, even with Pod being as good as I expect. But, you know, it's all speculation, right?

 

[DanielBrassard]

Vince doesn't think the Rangers are in on Chychrun. Which sucks but not all that surprising.

 

[bhamill]

Vince doesn't think the Rangers are in on Chychrun. Which sucks but not all that surprising.

Depending on the price, in what is probably a bidding war, maybe it's GOOD that NYR are not in...

 

[Savant]

As always, moving Miller depends on what the return would be. You don’t give him away, but you can’t exactly add salary either, so what exactly are you moving him for?

 

[McRanger92]

Vince doesn't think the Rangers are in on Chychrun. Which sucks but not all that surprising.

Chyrchun's game fits the teams needs well but were not desperate enough to get into a bidding war.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

Lindgren signed a 3X3 extension. What has KAM done to get a bigger contract? I’m not worried about his next deal. Even if it’s the same as Lindgren’s.

 

[McRanger92]

Lindgren signed a 3X3 extension. What has KAM done to get a bigger contract? I’m not worried about his next deal. Even if it’s the same as Lindgren’s.

I think its more about Miller obviously having the most value of all the young D, while simultaneously being the closest to making real money.

 

[duhmetreE]

We are one of the worst teams at producing 5v5. That's is a MAJOR issue and it needs to be addressed in every way possible. From personnel to X's and O's. There needs to be adjustments.

I do not like our system/gameplan or it's execution. We never use the middle of the ice, ( high scoring % areas ). Puck Support is minimal or not thought out. There's still no rhythm to our zone time, everything is perimeter, one and done, or dump and change. I don't understand how we looks so bad on odd-man rushes. It is too much like Quinn's system BUT we actually were producing more with Quinn at 5v5.

WTF is going on? I think it's beyond adding a Buch replacement... I'm sure it'd help but imo it's a system issue. Fox 'regressing' to human form hasn't helped the situation.

It feels like I've been saying it forever, we struggle so much with creating space/opportunity for our linemates.

We never get open or create lanes for the puck carrier. We just truly lack understanding on how to create offense. Everything is so awkward and perimeter... so easy to defend.

 

[CLW]

I'd only move KAM in a package for a Lundell type. i.e. Great young Center on an ELC

I've seen the highs KAM brings... IMO his potential is shutting down the opposing team big guns. Pivotal in a playoff series. When he's 'on' it looks like he's playing with his food. I'm pretty confident he gets there in his prime, which is still some years away

KAM is a Hedman type, there will always be mistakes in his game but the highs are also very high.

Lundell imo is more impressive than Zegras. Yes yes Zegras is flashy, creative and dazzles and is the talk of the town but Lundell has a far more impressive 200-foot game and is the better player all around. The problem with Lundell type young C is that they are unicorns, how many do you find looking around the league? Even fewer if you think you have a prayer of prying one loose in a trade.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

I think its more about Miller obviously having the most value of all the young D, while simultaneously being the closest to making real money.

What is real money?

 

[TheBloodyNine]

We are one of the worst teams at producing 5v5. That's is a MAJOR issue and it needs to be addressed in every way possible. From personnel to X's and O's. There needs to be adjustments.

I do not like our system/gameplan or it's execution. We never use the middle of the ice, ( high scoring % areas ). Puck Support is minimal or not thought out. There's still no rhythm to our zone time, everything is perimeter, one and done, or dump and change. I don't understand how we looks so bad on odd-man rushes. It is too much like Quinn's system BUT we actually were producing more with Quinn at 5v5.

WTF is going on? I think it's beyond adding a Buch replacement... I'm sure it'd help but imo it's a system issue. Fox 'regressing' to human form hasn't helped the situation.

It feels like I've been saying it forever, we struggle so much with creating space/opportunity for our linemates.

We never get open or create lanes for the puck carrier. We just truly lack understanding on how to create offense. Everything is so awkward and perimeter... so easy to defend.

These are coaching issues. The Rangers early season "success" has fooled them into thinking that they can just continue to do play that way and win.

However, this coach is part of the old boys club, so he ain't changing anything any time soon. This issues will probably addressed once he's no longer with the team, which should be a few years from now.

Gallant has taken this team from a high offense, poor defense team to a low offense, middle of the road defense team that looks better than it should because of the goaltender.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Hmm, how would you guys feel about Miller for Podkolzin?

I rather go for an established player knowing the deficiencies in this org regarding developing young players.

 

[McRanger92]

What is real money?

Anything more than an ELC. And the organization historically has given long term deals to homegrown defenseman coming of their ELCs. Skjei, Staal, Lindgren are all good comps to Miller, and all received at least 3 years, 3 mil aav on their second contracts ( i left out Fox because thats not a fair comparison)

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

Let’s solve the million $ 2C riddle first before we start fiddling with a position of strength (LD)

 

[romba]

We are one of the worst teams at producing 5v5. That's is a MAJOR issue and it needs to be addressed in every way possible. From personnel to X's and O's. There needs to be adjustments.

I do not like our system/gameplan or it's execution. We never use the middle of the ice, ( high scoring % areas ). Puck Support is minimal or not thought out. There's still no rhythm to our zone time, everything is perimeter, one and done, or dump and change. I don't understand how we looks so bad on odd-man rushes. It is too much like Quinn's system BUT we actually were producing more with Quinn at 5v5.

WTF is going on? I think it's beyond adding a Buch replacement... I'm sure it'd help but imo it's a system issue. Fox 'regressing' to human form hasn't helped the situation.

It feels like I've been saying it forever, we struggle so much with creating space/opportunity for our linemates.

We never get open or create lanes for the puck carrier. We just truly lack understanding on how to create offense. Everything is so awkward and perimeter... so easy to defend.

When our PP doesn’t get 1-2 per game it’s 90% a loss. Teams learned to press us hard in our D zone and the NZ, daring us to dump and chase. So we of course force plays in the NZ trying controlled entries leading to turnovers and 3 on 2s against literally every other minute. Our top 2 lines generally try controlled zone entries, fail, and then get it deep. Our forwards are at a stand still so of course we don’t win the puck back. Our bottom two lines try but can’t do much even if they do win the puck.

On our backend, opponents win 75% of the 50/50 battles so we’re constantly chasing in the D zone. So frustrating.

Regarding Miller, he’s REALLY cut down on his egregious turnovers and improved defensively. Still want to see improvement in his offensive vision and IQ and more from him using his skating offensively but we’ve seen real growth. That said, I’d trade him if the value is right.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

We are one of the worst teams at producing 5v5. That's is a MAJOR issue and it needs to be addressed in every way possible. From personnel to X's and O's. There needs to be adjustments.

I do not like our system/gameplan or it's execution. We never use the middle of the ice, ( high scoring % areas ). Puck Support is minimal or not thought out. There's still no rhythm to our zone time, everything is perimeter, one and done, or dump and change. I don't understand how we looks so bad on odd-man rushes. It is too much like Quinn's system BUT we actually were producing more with Quinn at 5v5.

WTF is going on? I think it's beyond adding a Buch replacement... I'm sure it'd help but imo it's a system issue. Fox 'regressing' to human form hasn't helped the situation.

It feels like I've been saying it forever, we struggle so much with creating space/opportunity for our linemates.

We never get open or create lanes for the puck carrier. We just truly lack understanding on how to create offense. Everything is so awkward and perimeter... so easy to defend.

Was watching the Canes-Panthers game last weekend and was just shocked watching their forwards just...bring the puck into the zone with speed, together in unison...use quick stickhandling and passes to get around the D and open up shooting lanes in the middle of the ice. It was really remarkable to see both teams doing this shift after shift vs watching the NYR.

The NYR collectively just suck at crossing the blue line with speed, with control of the puck, and then immediately looking to creatively work a 3 on 2 or 3 with a backchecker to get a shot on net in the middle of the ice. They are just terrible at it. When they get shut down at the blueline they dump it in and play perimeter hockey if they even manage to get the puck back.

 

[McRanger92]

These are coaching issues. The Rangers early season "success" has fooled them into thinking that they can just continue to do play that way and win.

However, this coach is part of the old boys club, so he ain't changing anything any time soon. This issues will probably addressed once he's no longer with the team, which should be a few years from now.

Gallant has taken this team from a high offense, poor defense team to a low offense, middle of the road defense team that looks better than it should because of the goaltender.

I dont think its a coaching issue. Gallant is not perfect with his decision making, but no coach is.

The players don't shoot the puck or go to the net enough. I'm as bullish on the Rangers as anyone, but they wont improve 5 on 5 until they show they are willing to forgo the "perfect" or "pretty" plays they default to. How often do we see guys pass up golden opportunities for a drop pass to no one, or trying to wish a pass through 3 defenders sticks. Panarin & Fox have been the biggest culprits of this. When both guys are actively looking to shoot they are at their best because they keep the defense honest. They need to have a shooters mentality (Panarin admitted as much earlier this season), especially when the rest of the team defers to them for offense when they're on the ice

And not for nothing, its hard to compete with the rest of the league consistently when youre sitting on 8 million in cap space and your direct competitors are capped out, especially in a year where covid can knock any player out 10 minutes before puck drop. Another top 4 D & top 6 forward with that excess money would go a long way towards some of these issues being rectified, in my opinion. I am a Drury defender for the most part, but the team is incomplete and so far that failure is on him.

 

[cheech70]

Tyler Toffoli at eliteprospects.com

since Gorts picked up Pitlick...seems like a glut of forwards..Gorts is selling who do we want and what does he want. I like toffoli becausa he a Italiano.