Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXII

[McRanger92]

Deleted. Wrong thread

 

[Kords]

Are those Vegas odds? he is so much stronger, has a much better shot, is bigger and is just harder to play against than Howden. Plus he has scored consistently in the A which is the best indicator of what comes next. Once comfortable, he will be a good one. 3C should certainly be expected of him if he can handle the defensive responsibilities, which we don't know yet.

That's easy to say now, but the reality is that Howden showed alot of promise until he didn't. I worry people are doing the same with Barron.

Howden is only a couple of months older than Barron and people have completely written him off because he was rushed into the NHL and hasn't lived up to his 3C ceiling. I don't mind Barron getting a few games under his belt, but i'm fully against making that same mistake twice. His college coach is on record saying he could of used another year.

I feel the same about Schneider for the record.

I really wonder what the venn diagram of fans that wanna rush the exciting prospects and fans that call these kids busts if they don't instantly wow us looks like. I'm guessing there is quite a bit of overlap.

 

[Daves a mess]

Seriously. Just give the Norris to Makar. Watch his game tying goal against the Preds late in the 3rd period.

He's just schooling people out there.

 

[bhamill]

Seriously. Just give the Norris to Makar. Watch his game tying goal against the Preds late in the 3rd period.

He's just schooling people out there.

Such a relevant post for a NYR roster building thread. Hahaha.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

It's crazy to me how some of you have Barron penciled in as a future 3C. I would love to be wrong, but the odds are that he has a better chance of being a Howden or worse.

What are you basing this on?

 

[jay from jersey]

It's crazy to me how some of you have Barron penciled in as a future 3C. I would love to be wrong, but the odds are that he has a better chance of being a Howden or worse.

I would be shocked if he’s not a big 15/15 30ish point center that contributes on the Pk as well.
May not happen next season, but he’s close.
Brian Boyle would be a good comp, but Barron has a better shot/ is a better finisher. Especially if they stick him in front of the net on 2PP.
Boyle was bigger but I think Barron uses his body in a more physical fashion. Both weren’t/aren’t the greatest skaters.
But much like a Torts system where Boyle thrived, Barron size/Skill combo should do very well in a gallant bottom 6.
Whether he’s a center/wing ultimately is an unknown, but I’d wager they want to keep him as a center. It’s where they’ve been deploying him for the better part of 2 years now.
If he keeps performing well at the dot, I expect that’s where he’ll make his home.
I’m also not a howden hater, and have said many times if he can score more consistently don’t be surprised if he carves out a solid career as a bottom 6 player somewhere.
He was overused by Quinn here, and the trade was likely a blessing for him.
His speed and effort were assets, it’s the rest of his overall game he needed to work on to make a consistent impact. I hope it works out for him in vegas

 

[Kords]

What are you basing this on?

History mostly. If Chytil isn't cut out to be 3C, I have a hard time penciling in Barron who is older and shown less. Doesn't mean I won't be proven wrong, but I don't like the odds.

I'm as disappointed as anyone in Chytil, but discarding him for Barron feels like spending your paycheck on lotto tickets.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

History mostly. If Chytil isn't cut out to be 3C, I have a hard time penciling in Barron who is older and shown less. Doesn't mean I won't be proven wrong, but I don't like the odds.

I'm as disappointed as anyone in Chytil, but discarding him for Barron feels like spending your paycheck on lotto tickets.

I think one is more suited to that role than the other imo. Chytil likes to play center but he's really not good at it. Barron is a cerebral player where Chytil goes in straight lines. I know people are watching Barron now and saying he looks like a 4th liner but with him he'll play how he's asked to play and right now they are asking him to be a responsible shut down dump it in 4th liner. Its kind of a big gap but i see him in the middle of Hayes and Boyle,probably closer to Boyle but there's a little more scoring potential which is why i added Hayes. Imo Chytil is a winger, not sure why he clings to center. Chytil needs to get going or he's gonna find himself on the outside

 

[Kords]

I think one is more suited to that role than the other imo. Chytil likes to play center but he's really not good at it. Barron is a cerebral player where Chytil goes in straight lines. I know people are watching Barron now and saying he looks like a 4th liner but with him he'll play how he's asked to play and right now they are asking him to be a responsible shut down dump it in 4th liner. Its kind of a big gap but i see him in the middle of Hayes and Boyle,probably closer to Boyle but there's a little more scoring potential which is why i added Hayes. Imo Chytil is a winger, not sure why he clings to center. Chytil needs to get going or he's gonna find himself on the outside

I can see where you're coming from, I guess it depends on how you wanna build that 3rd line. I like Barron alot, i'm just wary on assuming anything with these kids.

 

[tlk]

Chytil needs to get going or he's gonna find himself on the outside

Not sure he'd ever found himself on the inside.. Playing decent minutes with talent, rather than grinders/scrubs

 

[Avery16]

the Rangers are not at a stage of their evolution that demands overpayment. They are not one or two pieces away from the Stanley Cup, even if those pieces were to come in the shape of a 26-year-old Mario Lemieux and a 30-year-old Scott Stevens.

Rangers' concerning offensive flaws are being exposed

 

[Tob]

I feel like Quinn and Gorton and JD were both too much in agreement. Gorton always let his coaches do as they wish. Arniel hired Ruff, Ruff stuck for 4 years until Devils took him. AV called his shots as a veteran coach. Quinn and Gorton drank their own kool-aid. Gallant and Drury seem to be a better duo when it comes to properly analyzing the roster on a consistent basis as a team and making decisions and changes.

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

new GM, new coaching staff and they are still terrible at developing young players. Lafreniere, Kakko, Chytil still can't put up respectable offensive numbers. Lundkvist hype and trade value are done. Bunch of bad controversial moves like Kravtsov, Buchnevich, DeAngelo, etc. With this organization it is at best 2 steps forward, 2 steps backwards.

 

[DanielBrassard]

"5. The Jarred Tinordi-Patrik Nemeth tandem, which was together for the sixth time this season on Monday against the Kings, represents Gallant’s vision for the third pair even if he was in his hotel room watching Kris Knoblauch run the show from behind the bench. (Yes, the duo struggled, but no more so than K’Andre Miller)."

From the same article.

 

[Ola]

This is ridiculous.

Nobody is keeping him from working. In fact, it's the exact opposite—in what profession can a person act the way Kane has and still have other companies actually consider adding his services?

To put it like this, if you think -- everything considered -- that he will have a net positive impact on your hockey team, I don't think you should go 'he shouldn't be touched with a ten foot pole since he is a bad person'. Further, if you think his net positive impact is big, offer him a lot of money. If you think he adds a lot on the ice, but will be a big negative outside of it (but still come out in black at the bottom line), offer him a little money.

The distinction I am trying to make is, I just don't like the "blacklist" thinking. If he had a clean sheet, he would probably make 9m as a UFA for 7 years. Now he will at the most make like 1m for 1 year. It is not like his history is disregarded and doesn't cost him.

And ultimately, it could be so bad that everyone think that he actually will be a net negative for your team. I don't know how he is in the room. Think these things can be both worse or better than what is captured in the reporting.

 

[Paul Padovano]

"5. The Jarred Tinordi-Patrik Nemeth tandem, which was together for the sixth time this season on Monday against the Kings, represents Gallant’s vision for the third pair even if he was in his hotel room watching Kris Knoblauch run the show from behind the bench. (Yes, the duo struggled, but no more so than K’Andre Miller)."

From the same article.

I don't understand how Tinordi who was a seventh d man in Boston, comes to NY, with our large pool of NYR drafted, home grown back end talent, is given the nod over kids like Tarmo Reunanen and Zach Jones. I'd especially like to see Tarmo given a chance, the kid has been with this organization a while now, continues to play good hockey year in year out, and is in general, a better hockey player than Tinordi. I'm confused as to why Tinordi was on Drury's radar in the first place. As far as Nameth goes, it was my understanding he was brought in to help Lundkvist's transition to the NHL but neither guy makes much sense to me.

 

[Vitto79]

How did NYR not resign Fast ? they are basically looking for a guy like him at the deadline

 

[DoingItCoolKiwi]

Time to put Panarin-Strome-Kakko back together

 

[jay from jersey]

How did NYR not resign Fast ? they are basically looking for a guy like him at the deadline

1 of Gorts biggest blunders. It was basically an extra year of a 2mill cap hit.
I don’t buy the Fast didn’t want to resign nonsense, he was thrilled when he wasn’t dealt at the TDL

 

[AlaBlueShirt]

Need Hertl if we wanna make some noice in the playoffs.

 

[tlk]

How did NYR not resign Fast ? they are basically looking for a guy like him at the deadline

*at every deadline since

Also, Haeys.

 

[Paul Padovano]

new GM, new coaching staff and they are still terrible at developing young players. Lafreniere, Kakko, Chytil still can't put up respectable offensive numbers. Lundkvist hype and trade value are done. Bunch of bad controversial moves like Kravtsov, Buchnevich, DeAngelo, etc. With this organization it is at best 2 steps forward, 2 steps backwards.

Well the KZB line consisted of three players who developed within the Rangers organization. I thought Kravtsov was being sent down as part of a conditioning stint. If that's true and he knew it, why couldn't he play in Hartford for a few weeks? Unless I'm missing something. Losing Buch hurts even more when the player you trade him for is out for the season while he's a ppg player who we just couldn't afford.
I think many teams would be interested in Lundkvist. Winning the NHL's version of the Norris Trophy in one of the best pro leagues in the world at his age is quite an accomplishment. He's just not getting the ice time with Fox and Trouba ahead of him, ntm Gallant's apparent unconditional love for Tinordi. DeAngelo is a terrific offensive defence man, but at this point I don't even wanna speculate what other problems he may or may not have.
I know a lot of people are losing patience with Kakko and Laf, and I'm not saying it's completely unwarranted. However, regardless of where or when they went in the draft, they're still kids. In time, I think both players will blossom into the types of players we thought we were getting. Chytil otoh, has tools. He's a big kid who can skate, handle, and shoot the puck. It's just not translating into points, and being we already need more talent at Center depth, he has to step up as much as anyone else in the lineup. With Strome likely gone before next season, the spot light will be on Drury.

 

[Paul Padovano]

How did NYR not resign Fast ? they are basically looking for a guy like him at the deadline

Especially at 2 mil per for what he does. Big mistake.

 

[Leetch3]

Im hoping they don't abandon Lafreniere on the right side, he needs atleast 4 or 5 games to get used to it, the whole team was bad last night, Panarin just got back, i hope they give this some time or swap him and Kakko.

even more than giving him a few games to see if he adjusts. they should give him a look after panarin is right and has his game back. there was a lot of rust last game

 

[ETTER DE]

Dorion called Gorton and offered it because he wanted Brassard’s experience.

Zib was not a finished product as C at the time. Rangers used best parts of two years to develop him at that role. Time Ottawa did not have with Karlsson and Stones contracts ending in a couple years. So Zib was used also in a third line right wing role. Behind Bobby Ryan and Stone. I guess Ottawa was happy to trade their 3RW for a 2C. And Gorton had promised he would make Rangers younger. So he was happy as well. A good trade for both teams.