Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXXII

[BBKers]

It cost the Rangers I believe the 45 to move up 4 spots from #26 or #27. Think it will cost more than that.

28 + 37 should get you to the 17-19 range. Not any higher

 

[I Eat Crow]

28 + 37 should get you to the 17-19 range. Not any higher

If, say, Bobby Brink was available, I'd do that no questions asked.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Would rather Johanson, but I agree about offer sheets. I think the fact that Gorton mentioned he had his own picks means he will explore rfa players.

Do you mean Johnsson, Johansen or Johansson? Not trying to be a dick here. Serious question

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

28 + 37 should get you to the 17-19 range. Not any higher

In this draft? It might get you to 20.

 

[Machinehead]

Once again, Gorton will probably try to move up high, like he reportedly has in the last few drafts.

Got a bunch of assets again, so who knows if he'll be able to do it this time.

2016 - Tried to move up to 4OA for Keller, but CBJ picked PLD which caused Oilers to say no to the trade-down.
2017 - Tried to move up to 3 for Makar, and then VAN knew we wanted Pettersson, so picked him at 5OA.
2018 - don't think Gorton reportedly tried moving up, AFAIK

Kravtsov was always "the guy" in 2018.

 

[effen]

Rangers finish 7 and lose the lottery.

Kings want to trade back from 2. Kakko is on the board.

They want 3 1sts, 2 2nds and a 3rd...

2 for 7, 28, 31, 37, 2nd round and 3rd round in 2020 + Lindgren?

Do you do it?

No. Its a year early for that deal. That's a deal you do in 2020.

 

[Machinehead]

Rangers finish 7 and lose the lottery.

Kings want to trade back from 2. Kakko is on the board.

They want 3 1sts, 2 2nds and a 3rd...

2 for 7, 28, 31, 37, 2nd round and 3rd round in 2020 + Lindgren?

Do you do it?

f*** no.

It's Kapo Kakko, not Connor McDavid.

 

[Irishguy42]

Kravtsov was always "the guy" in 2018.

Yeah that's what I figured. They had him as second best forward, IIRC.

 

[DutchShamrock]

I would much rather step up at the draft with 10 picks instead of forming packages to move up. At the end of the day, even #1 is a gamble. Granted the risks increase with each and every pick. But I'm not buying into any notion that the cupboard is restocked or we are that one foundational piece away. We still need bullets in the magazine and bodies in the farm.

Keep taking swings and find your scheiffle in the mid first, find you Keith in the 2nd, find your Point in the 3rd. We have so many holes it doesn't make sense to bundle chances for that "one guy". We can't afford to push in multiple assets and risk the next yakupov. Keep making selections and find value late.

 

[Mikos87]

Technically, everything can be easily rigged and scandelous.

However, the draft lottery is not rigged. The NHL brings in big third party auditors like KPMG/E&Y/PwC/etc. who handle the draft lottery, among other things. The draft lotteries of late have released videos of the entire drawing process.

If the lottery was rigged, Matthews would be a Yote.

PwC. That's their group of choice.

 

[NernieBichols]

I don't know where they had Hughes ranked overall, but they had Kravstov ahead of Tkachuk.

Sure they did. And spare me the we had kravstov as the 2nd rated forward. Yeah, maybe seeing as they saw tkachuk as a center or kravstov as #2 behind tkachuk. But yeah, I know what you were getting at

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Sure they did. And spare me the we had kravstov as the 2nd rated forward. Yeah, maybe seeing as they saw tkachuk as a center or kravstov as #2 behind tkachuk. But yeah, I know what you were getting at

Nah Clark straight up said he was the #2 ranked forward behind Svechnikov.

Bobby Mac said that there was one team that had Kravstov in the top 5 - that was us.

Maybe he was #4 behind Dahlin, Svechnikov and Hughes, but Tkachuk wasn't in that equation.

You could accuse him of lying if they weren't one of the teams feeding McKenzie info for his draft list.

 

[NernieBichols]

Do you mean Johnsson, Johansen or Johansson? Not trying to be a dick here. Serious question

The one on the leafs who’s about to be RFA. Are all 3 RFA? Not trying to be a dick here. Serious question?

 

[NernieBichols]

Kravtsov was always "the guy" in 2018.

I don’t totally agree.
If they win the lottery dahlen was the guy
2-4 would have been tkachuk
5-7 (if tkachuk off the board) would have been Hughes
And than after those guys were gone kravstov was always the realistic target

 

[NernieBichols]

Nah Clark straight up said he was the #2 ranked forward behind Svechnikov.

Bobby Mac said that there was one team that had Kravstov in the top 5 - that was us.

Maybe he was #4 behind Dahlin, Svechnikov and Hughes, but Tkachuk wasn't in that equation.

You could accuse him of lying if they weren't one of the teams feeding McKenzie info for his draft list.

Than I’m accusing Gordie of lying. Your throwing out reality for what you read. Tkachuk was quinn’s Guy. Look what he’s doing already. The idea the rangers would have picked kravstov over tkachuk if they were both there is proposterous

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Than I’m accusing Gordie of lying. Your throwing out reality for what you read. Tkachuk was quinn’s Guy. Look what he’s doing already. The idea the rangers would have picked kravstov over tkachuk if they were both there is proposterous

Yeah you're off on this one. It doesn't matter if Tkachuk was Quinn's guy, he wasn't making the pick.

This isn't a conversation about whether or not they should have had Kravstov ranked ahead of Tkachuk, but the fact is they did.

 

[Mikos87]

I dont think there was misdirection about the Rangers having certain players higher than other teams.. This happens every year. There are aggregate rankings, external scouting rankings and team rankings.

The three are never one and the same. It's the nonsensical reaches you want to avoid, and the high upside gems you want to land. Especially in the 1st.

Last year I mentioned Foudy, Dellandrea, and Miller were going to go higher than where people where ranking them. For the most part they did.

Miller was a 12-13 min a night defenseman for a dysfunctional USNDP crop, that dropped him down the radar. (Steve Kourianios knows what I'm talking about... Say what you will about Steve, but the guy is well in the know).

Foudy, and Ty came from diametrically different development orgs, but scouts loved them both.

Speaking of which, there have been a number of teams asking about Foudy. The upside might not be sky high, but that's going to be a very effective NHL player.

Going back to tbe original point, some teams value different attributes, and when some work out, or seem likely to be hit (Foudy- two way pivot), then other teams clamor.

 

[NernieBichols]

Yeah you're off on this one. It doesn't matter if Tkachuk was Quinn's guy, he wasn't making the pick.

This isn't a conversation about whether or not they should have had Kravstov ranked ahead of Tkachuk, but the fact is they did.

I don’t believe it. You guys are simply taking what gordie said after the draft as the real skinny skinny. So sit here and tell me over and over if you guys need to. I don’t believe that. I think they would have taken tkachuk over kravstov if they were both on the board and even think the rangers would have traded up for him. Brooks mentioned it before the draft. Word for word. And suddenly after Ottawa scooped him up and the rangers had a conviction on kravstov and gordie gives a interview saying he was he 2nd F on the board, and that’s the end all be all. I don’t believe it. Things aren’t always what they seem on the surface

 

[Mikos87]

28 + 37 should get you to the 17-19 range. Not any higher

This isn't the NFL. It's less about positional need and more about player preference.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I don’t believe it. You guys are simply taking what gordie said after the draft as the real skinny skinny. So sit here and tell me over and over if you guys need to. I don’t believe that

It was also reflected in Mckenzie's pre draft rankings, where the information was gathered before the draft happened.

I also don't see why he'd lie about it. There isn't a big difference between saying you had a guy ranked as the 2nd best forward in the draft vs the 3rd or even 4th - At the point we were picking, it'd be expected.

 

[Machinehead]

I don’t totally agree.
If they win the lottery dahlen was the guy
2-4 would have been tkachuk
5-7 (if tkachuk off the board) would have been Hughes
And than after those guys were gone kravstov was always the realistic target

It certainly would have been Dahlin at 1. I don't know about Hughes.

The Rangers definitely had Kravtsov on their board over Tkachuk.

 

[Machinehead]

It was also reflected in Mckenzie's pre draft rankings, where the information was gathered before the draft happened.

I also don't see why he'd lie about it. There isn't a big difference between saying you had a guy ranked as the 2nd best forward in the draft vs the 3rd or even 4th - At the point we were picking, it'd be expected.

Yeah, pretty much.

If they came out and said "Kravtsov was 4th among our forwards" behind Svhecnikov who was never getting to 9th, Tkachuk who was never getting to 9th, and Zadina who was never getting to 9th, I would have been like "ok..."

 

[Lays]

It was also reflected in Mckenzie's pre draft rankings, where the information was gathered before the draft happened.

I also don't see why he'd lie about it. There isn't a big difference between saying you had a guy ranked as the 2nd best forward in the draft vs the 3rd or even 4th - At the point we were picking, it'd be expected.

When McKenzie polled scouts last year didn’t one team have Kravtsov in the top 5?

 

[NernieBichols]

It was also reflected in Mckenzie's pre draft rankings, where the information was gathered before the draft happened.

I also don't see why he'd lie about it. There isn't a big difference between saying you had a guy ranked as the 2nd best forward in the draft vs the 3rd or even 4th - At the point we were picking, it'd be expected.

McKenzie never came out and said it was the Rangers, so that’s just as speculative as what I’m saying. And as opposed to you going off a postdraft interview and McKenzie ‘one team has him in the top 5’ , I’ll go with my gut. Tkachuk is everything they want in the culture and he would have played at the top of the lineup. But sure..
And mind you, I love kravstov. I called it early, predraft if they were sticking with the pick and trades and no one fell. So I’m a pig in ish happy with the kravstov pick.

I’m just saying....

 

[NernieBichols]

Brooks on June 22nd 2018

‘It has been said and re-said that the Rangers do not believe they would get a better player at, say, six than nine. One caveat: if Brady Tkachuk slides past five or six, then maybe, just maybe, the Blueshirts would be willing to add a sweetener in order to move up a few slots to reunite the truculent winger with his college coach. But that seems a long-shot’


How about now? Whats youse responses? I’ll read them in the morning

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