Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXXII

[GoAwayPanarin]

Except prior to our pick, McKenzie went on and on about how the Rangers were hot for Kravstov and spent a ton of time over seas scouting him and looked at him as a true game breaking talent...

You're right that from a cultural standpoint, Tkachuk made a ton of sense, I thought he'd be super high on our board too (he may have been) but you're alone on this one.

When McKenzie polled scouts last year didn’t one team have Kravtsov in the top 5?

Yeah, that was us.

My gut feel is that they had him ranked #4 OA behind Dahlin, Svechnikov and Hughes while really keying in on Kravstov at #9.

It would have been interesting to see what they would have done had Hughes also been available. I think they ran into a similar situation in 2010 when Fowler fell, but they decided to go with the guy who they had targeted to begin with.

 

[NernieBichols]

Except prior to our pick, McKenzie went on and on about how the Rangers were hot for Kravstov and spent a ton of time over seas scouting him and looked at him as a true game breaking talent...

You're right that from a cultural standpoint, Tkachuk made a ton of sense, I thought he'd be super high on our board too (he may have been) but you're alone on this one.


Yeah, that was us.

My gut feel is that they had him ranked #4 OA behind Dahlin, Svechnikov and Hughes while really keying in on Kravstov at #9.

It would have been interesting to see what they would have done had Hughes also been available. I think they ran into a similar situation in 2010 when Fowler fell, but they decided to go with the guy who they had targeted to begin with.

Am I really alone on this one??? Haha sure

BASE

 

[NernieBichols]

Whoops. Must of broke the thread

 

[bobbop]

McKenzie never came out and said it was the Rangers, so that’s just as speculative as what I’m saying. And as opposed to you going off a postdraft interview and McKenzie ‘one team has him in the top 5’ , I’ll go with my gut. Tkachuk is everything they want in the culture and he would have played at the top of the lineup. But sure..
And mind you, I love kravstov. I called it early, predraft if they were sticking with the pick and trades and no one fell. So I’m a pig in ish happy with the kravstov pick.

I’m just saying....

It is obvious through the years that Gordie is one of McKenzie's sources.

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

Brooks on June 22nd 2018

‘It has been said and re-said that the Rangers do not believe they would get a better player at, say, six than nine. One caveat: if Brady Tkachuk slides past five or six, then maybe, just maybe, the Blueshirts would be willing to add a sweetener in order to move up a few slots to reunite the truculent winger with his college coach. But that seems a long-shot’


How about now? Whats youse responses? I’ll read them in the morning

https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost...build-plan-they-havent-tried-in-40-years/amp/

And yet before the draft they said they didn’t want to trade up because they felt like they’d get their guy at 9, they might’ve liked Tkachuk as the 3rd best forward, but if they really wanted him they most likely could’ve gotten him. Also Brooks was doing a lot of guessing pre-draft, so take what he wrote and will write this year with a huge grain of salt

 

[effen]

The amount of lies Gorton told is limited only by your imagination, Nernie.

 

[I Eat Crow]

It is obvious through the years that Gordie is one of McKenzie's sources.

For sure. How else would Bob-O know who we're picking every single year before the Rangers front office even makes it up to the podium.

 

[BBKers]

BEST CASE SCENARIO
Winnipeg is 4-5-1 in their last 10. Let’s for the sake of vainly hopeful argument assume that they fall off the planet and go 4-9-2 out - despite K. Hayes being their best scorer the last 14 games. They miss the playoffs by one measly point. Their pick becomes a lottery pick and goes at number 2 overall. We get the lottery win at #1 really with our own pick (finish 6). The last lottery pick goes to Detroit (#3 overall). Dallas goes to the playoffs, led by Zuccarellos inspiring play, and somehow goes to WCF (#28 pick to NYR). Tampa wins the Cup (#31 pick to NYR) with Callahan scoring the game 7 OT winner assisted by Girardi and Miller. We pick at #37 in the second round. We then have the formidable picks at #1, #2, #28, #31, #37. And Zucc signs an extension with Dallas before the Draft ensuring another 1st round pick in 2020 . What do we do?

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

BEST CASE SCENARIO
Winnipeg is 4-5-1 in their last 10. Let’s for the sake of vainly hopeful argument assume that they fall off the planet and go 4-9-2 out - despite K. Hayes being their best scorer the last 14 games. They miss the playoffs by one measly point. Their pick becomes a lottery pick and goes at number 2 overall. We get the lottery win at #1 really with our own pick (finish 6). The last lottery pick goes to Detroit (#3 overall). Dallas goes to the playoffs, led by Zuccarellos inspiring play, and somehow goes to WCF (#28 pick to NYR). Tampa wins the Cup (#31 pick to NYR) with Callahan scoring the game 7 OT winner assisted by Girardi and Miller. We pick at #37 in the second round. We then have the formidable picks at #1, #2, #28, #31, #37. And Zucc signs an extension with Dallas before the Draft ensuring another 1st round pick in 2020 . What do we do?

winnipeg lottery protected that shit

you know how chevy is

 

[darko]

BEST CASE SCENARIO
Winnipeg is 4-5-1 in their last 10. Let’s for the sake of vainly hopeful argument assume that they fall off the planet and go 4-9-2 out - despite K. Hayes being their best scorer the last 14 games. They miss the playoffs by one measly point. Their pick becomes a lottery pick and goes at number 2 overall. We get the lottery win at #1 really with our own pick (finish 6). The last lottery pick goes to Detroit (#3 overall). Dallas goes to the playoffs, led by Zuccarellos inspiring play, and somehow goes to WCF (#28 pick to NYR). Tampa wins the Cup (#31 pick to NYR) with Callahan scoring the game 7 OT winner assisted by Girardi and Miller. We pick at #37 in the second round. We then have the formidable picks at #1, #2, #28, #31, #37. And Zucc signs an extension with Dallas before the Draft ensuring another 1st round pick in 2020 . What do we do?

Impossible.

 

[Avery16]

We have Kravtsov & Buchnevich at RW
I think our biggest need is a right-handed sniper who plays LW

I thought I read somewhere that kravstov can play C

 

[EdJovanovski]

I thought I read somewhere that kravstov can play C

He did at the WJC because Russia had no centers but he’s a much better winger and that’s all he played in the KHL

 

[BBKers]

winnipeg lottery protected that ****

you know how chevy is

This I did not know. Oh well, sorry for wasting your (and my) time then.

 

[Machinehead]

Best case scenario, we just get picked and end up with Hughes or Kakko.

It's about f***ing time the hockey gods gave back to us.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

The one on the leafs who’s about to be RFA. Are all 3 RFA? Not trying to be a dick here. Serious question?

Ah. Johnson. Thanks.

 

[egelband]

Yeah, pretty much.

If they came out and said "Kravtsov was 4th among our forwards" behind Svhecnikov who was never getting to 9th, Tkachuk who was never getting to 9th, and Zadina who was never getting to 9th, I would have been like "ok..."

It's an impossible question to answer. If JG says they had Kravtsov ranked higher and he turns out to be not-as-good, JG looks like a poor evaluator. If he says they wanted Tkachuk, he's diminishing his own guy. So the best answer is probably no answer.

 

[Ola]

It is obvious through the years that Gordie is one of McKenzie's sources.

Yeah, I can’t point on some definite proof, but I am very certain of that too.

 

[Ola]

This I did not know. Oh well, sorry for wasting your (and my) time then.

It’s still a great pick if Winnipeg misses the POs! (Top 15)

 

[TUQ]

It's an impossible question to answer. If JG says they had Kravtsov ranked higher and he turns out to be not-as-good, JG looks like a poor evaluator. If he says they wanted Tkachuk, he's diminishing his own guy. So the best answer is probably no answer.

Didn't Gorton say that thay had Kravtsov ranked 2nd among forwards behing Schvetchnikov? Or was it Clarke ?

 

[egelband]

Didn't Gorton say that thay had Kravtsov ranked 2nd among forwards behing Schvetchnikov? Or was it Clarke ?

I'm not really sure. I guess I'd say that it just doesn't really matter what they say cuz politically/professionally they're painted into a corner. They have to be as noncommittal as possible

 

[egelband]

I think Gorton's best acquisition ever, is Quinn.

 

[haohmaru]

Whoops. Must of broke the thread

Must have. The only thing broken here is your English.

 

[Ghost of jas]

Just a reminder...hockeyprospects.com had Kravtsov 6th overall on their board and the head of their scouting, Mark Peterson flat out loved him in last year's draft. That was one when I started getting worried the Rangers might not be able to trade up for him.

 

[Ola]

I think Gorton's best acquisition ever, is Quinn.

I love how he went after Kreider immediately after — and even during — the Washington game. Kreider isn’t a skill guy, when he doesn’t get involved he really won’t contribute much. Maybe the air went out of him a bit after the Hayes trade.

But no matter what, it’s great that Quinn is on him ASAP.

 

[BBKers]

Toronto is heading into a shitstorm capwise this offseason.
$68,134,699 in committed cap space for 15 contracts (not at all counting Horton in this that is on LTIR and only effects the summer cap).
Say for sake of argument that the cap ceiling lands at $83,500,000. Roughly $15 M available.
4 RFAs in Marner, Kapanen, Johnsson, Petan and Ozhiganov left to resign. This will cost much of - if not all of - the available space.
3-4 UFAs (Ennis, Gardiner, Hainsey and Marincin) all likely gone. Even if they are all replaced by budget contracts (ELCs, Euros, UFAs, trades...) there is no money left - also downgrading the team considerably.

Winnipeg is also in a difficult situation.
$55,627,497 in committed cap space for 11 contracts
$83,500,000 as the cap. Roughly $27 M available.
7 RFAs in Trouba, Laine, Connor, Kopp, Beaulieu, Brossoit and Morrow all left to resign. This will cost pretty close to all the available space.
5-7 UFAs (Hayes, Tanev, Lindholm, Hendricks, Myers, Chiarot and Kiselvich) all likely gone. Even if they are all replaced by tight budget contracts (ELCs, Euros, UFAs, trades...) there is likely no money left - also theoretically downgrading the team considerably.

Both these Canadian teams went for it a bit early and too aggressively shortening their windows. This is their year, but both Nashville and Tampa look better on paper.

There are definitely deals (trades or offersheets) to be made here. Be so certain...