Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXXII
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BEST CASE SCENARIO
Winnipeg is 4-5-1 in their last 10. Let’s for the sake of vainly hopeful argument assume that they fall off the planet and go 4-9-2 out - despite K. Hayes being their best scorer the last 14 games. They miss the playoffs by one measly point. Their pick becomes a lottery pick and goes at number 2 overall. We get the lottery win at #1 really with our own pick (finish 6). The last lottery pick goes to Detroit (#3 overall). Dallas goes to the playoffs, led by Zuccarellos inspiring play, and somehow goes to WCF (#28 pick to NYR). Tampa wins the Cup (#31 pick to NYR) with Callahan scoring the game 7 OT winner assisted by Girardi and Miller. We pick at #37 in the second round. We then have the formidable picks at #1, #2, #28, #31, #37. And Zucc signs an extension with Dallas before the Draft ensuring another 1st round pick in 2020 . What do we do?
Take Hughes and Kakko and make the remaining g picks as well
Trade those identified as expendable for defense
Hahaha. Grammar grammar. For over 15-20 years grammar has been the go-to thing to say on the ranger boards and forums once people realize they can’t touch your hockey knowledge.
Is it my grammar that’s so bad or my spellcheck on my phone? Mysteries of the universe
I like your ideas BBKers. It’s fun with a lot of method to the madness. Hope your feeling better
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Inferno
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For the rangers... Absolutely. Gorton setup this current bruins iteration with a ton of great moves.
I love Quinn though, he's my favorite rangers coach (this far) in my lifetime. It's not saying much tho considering I hated most of our coaches. Torts is my 2md favorite.
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Torts can't coach high end players, has no idea how to manage them. I'm happy we moved on from him. The team he has in Columbus shouldnt be on the bubble fighting for a wildcard spot
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That's what happens when you change the entire dynamic of the team at the deadline. It takes time to gel
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Torts won a cup with high end players.
And he got the old moose to play like a giant. Torts is great. It’s a sthick that he has a hard time turning off or being able to turn off bc than his players see through the madman and it waters down the effect
(Bolts really won that year bc torts turned Dave andrehcyuk from a gentle skilled slumbering giant into a beast, the moose playing the way he did that year really gave those high end guys mojo. That was a great team.)
(Bolts really won that year bc torts turned Dave andrehcyuk from a gentle skilled slumbering giant into a beast, the moose playing the way he did that year really gave those high end guys mojo. That was a great team.)
Guys gotta remember there was a 8 year or so period when the rangers never made the playoffs and between espn 1, 2, and +. You got to watch every game of every series. When your team wasn’t in it, by the time a team got to June and won a cup, you got to know that team for like 2.5 months when it all came together for them. Watching teams who won the cup come together and play and win 4 rounds, year after year, you pick up some things
In this instance, it’s what a great coaching job torts did with the guys on that team. He turned them into winners. He really did, and he was brought to NY to help bring out some elements management had seen in the core coming up, and Torts did here what he did in Tampa. He made guy after guy better. He helped make how many guys career? How many dudes on sitting on millions bc Torts coaches them the way he did. Only difference between Tampa and NY, was torts didn’t have the top horses in NY
In this instance, it’s what a great coaching job torts did with the guys on that team. He turned them into winners. He really did, and he was brought to NY to help bring out some elements management had seen in the core coming up, and Torts did here what he did in Tampa. He made guy after guy better. He helped make how many guys career? How many dudes on sitting on millions bc Torts coaches them the way he did. Only difference between Tampa and NY, was torts didn’t have the top horses in NY
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Horton is still on the cap during the season. LTIR only allows them to exceed the cap by an amount dependent on the cap hit of the player and the team's total cap commitment at the time the player is placed on LTIR.
You forgot Kapanen in the list of Toronto RFAs.
I'm sure Toronto would like to dump Horton, but if they can find a way to trade Marleau, they'd be in a much better position. Everyone in the world knew it was a mistake to give him 3 years, but the NMC is the killer. Will Marleau waive? His base salary is only 1.25 mil next year after a 3 mil signing bonus. I'm sure Ottawa would be very interested, but would Marleau? Doubtful. Toronto could try some shenanigans by trading Marleau to Ottawa or Arizona, then that team buys him out (keeping the full cap hit because it's a 35+ contract), and then Toronto re-signs him. Washington did it with Orpik last year, and the league cleared it.
Tampa is another team in a cap crunch. $73,123,331 committed to 16 players. Their only significant RFA is Point, but he's going to take up all of their available space.
And Pittsburgh...I didn't realize their cap was so bad. $79,083,333 committed to 16 players next year.
Vegas is even worse: $82,375,000 committed to 17 players. William Karlsson is an RFA. I guess they aren't qualifying him.
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All this talk about trading into the top-2 or 3
The best way would’ve been to lose. Increase your odds of being there organically and if not, a shorter move.
But people weren’t interested in that because we were playing X team tonight and “f*** those guys I hate that fracking team and their fans”
So short sighted.
The best way would’ve been to lose. Increase your odds of being there organically and if not, a shorter move.
But people weren’t interested in that because we were playing X team tonight and “f*** those guys I hate that fracking team and their fans”
So short sighted.
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I like the idea of a Skjei plus for Trouba swap, since it cleans up the glut on left side, and adds a high end player who futs on the timeline.
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Quinn for sure has helped us identify what we have in guys like Buchnevich and DeAngelo. Before the season, we were saying these were two guys who had/have a lot to prove. Their development should be exhibit A on the success of Quinn this season, especially since the handling of both players came into question a lot. I don't think we need to make long term commitments to these players, but they are part of the future for this team.
The only issue IMO has been the continued use of Staal. Not giving him time off, potentially giving him back to backs off, especially when we've had Smith and Claesson sitting for him. But, if Staal has been doing what he asks of him, hard to sit the guy. Would send the wrong message to the other players.
The only issue IMO has been the continued use of Staal. Not giving him time off, potentially giving him back to backs off, especially when we've had Smith and Claesson sitting for him. But, if Staal has been doing what he asks of him, hard to sit the guy. Would send the wrong message to the other players.
Cleans up the left side, but for what Trouba will want dollar wise, and given their fancy stats are not far off from each other (while Trouba playing on better WPG teams), similar in age too, I am not interested. Would rather just keep Skjei and reduce his role as our young defenseman develop and/or add a veteran via free agency.
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I’m all for allowing things to happen organically. If your young players are helping the team to win because they’re developing, I have a hard time being upset. Essentially, Gorton and company are going to have to continue to target high end players in the draft. They aren’t going to be gifted a franchise player. But, if they find their Kuznetsov and Pastrnak, they’re adding that next tier of talent. Get enough of that tier and you can build your version of Boston/Nashville/San Jose/Winnipeg.
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Come the end of the season, we need to unload Strome somewhere. Get a pick in return. Sell high on his unsustainable production that he has had since being traded. I think he'd return more than Names. I know Strome will be an RFA, but I don't see the production being duplicated next season. I can see Names being productive next season and being a desirable rental at the TDL.
Totally different era of hockey.
He got to the ECF with us and that was a product of more blue collar work hard play. That team just did not have much offense to it. Sure they scored, but given the game plan which was very much north-south dump and chase hockey, room for creativity was more limited. Its not like we didnt have any offensive talent. We had Gaborik. We added Richards, regardless of how his career tailed off towards the end. We added Nash. We had our worst stretch when we had all 3 of those guys. Gaborik and Nash.
I agree in that I dont think Torts is a great coach for the style of play at this time. The game is faster with skill being even more prominent as critical to winning hockey games. Columbus does have a good team and he had a lot of good players to work with before the Duchene trade. In fact I would argue he had as good, if not a better team than the roster he had here in ‘11-‘12. Atkinson and Panarin for sure being more talented than Gaborik and thats it really. CBJ has failed the last few years when they had a good collection of players. This year again they have struggled. Torts always seems to wear out his welcome, its never an amicable breakup.
Trouba is one year away from Group III. He files for salary arbitration again this summer. Gets awarded $6M plus by the arbitrator. Plays out the season and becomes a free agent in 2020. He can pick his team. His hometown Red Wings desperately an upgrade on D.
Trouba has a primary residence in Florida. Maybe he wants to play there. The Panthers could be an option depending on what they do this summer.
Is Trouba interested in signing a long term contract this summer or does he want to explore the market and become a free agent available to the highest bidder in 2020?
The Rangers don’t need another Kevin Hayes situation. He signs a one year contract and becomes a free agent the next summer. Any team trading for Hayes last summer had to pay him or view him as a one year rental. That’s assuming Hayes wanted to sign with that team. Same scenario with Trouba. The one year contract worked out well for Hayes. He will get paid more than the Rangers wanted to pay him.
His agent Kurt Overhardt is a pain in the ass. Another issue.
Very complicated.
Trouba has a primary residence in Florida. Maybe he wants to play there. The Panthers could be an option depending on what they do this summer.
Is Trouba interested in signing a long term contract this summer or does he want to explore the market and become a free agent available to the highest bidder in 2020?
The Rangers don’t need another Kevin Hayes situation. He signs a one year contract and becomes a free agent the next summer. Any team trading for Hayes last summer had to pay him or view him as a one year rental. That’s assuming Hayes wanted to sign with that team. Same scenario with Trouba. The one year contract worked out well for Hayes. He will get paid more than the Rangers wanted to pay him.
His agent Kurt Overhardt is a pain in the ass. Another issue.
Very complicated.
Strome has a very cheap buyout at 1/3 instead of 2/3. 25 years old or younger.
The Rangers are better off buying him out if they don’t want him on the roster.
$433,333
$533,333
I dont see any reason to buyout Strome. He has played well and is still young.
They can move either him or Nams if they really want more cap relief. Someone will give something for them.
Save the buyout for someone else IF we even really need to buy someone out at this point.
They can move either him or Nams if they really want more cap relief. Someone will give something for them.
Save the buyout for someone else IF we even really need to buy someone out at this point.
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At the end of the day, there's only so much a team can do.
The Rangers, on a given night, have iced a team that includes anywhere from 5-7 players who hadn't eclipsed the century mark in games played, including as many 4 rookies.
Four players have made their NHL debuts this season, and the roster has seen a dozen players, age 25 and younger, with less than a full season of NHL experience, who have suited up for a game.
A total of 17 players who have not turned 26 have played for the team this season.
At some point, we have to let them achieve how they're going to achieve.
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