Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXI

[McRanger92]

Given the timing of the Pacioretty injury, I think Vegas can get by moving one big contract. I’ll look hard at Smith and if Karlsson is available, I’ll look real hard. Karlsson would be a prime candidate to bring in a third team for salary retention. I don’t think they would want to move Karlsson but it’s worth asking about. Don’t be confused, Karlsson is the second line center in Vegas…he wildly popular there and an excellent two way player.

Vegas may also want to move Brayden McNabb and I’m listening on that too.

Got to think Gallant would be over the moon if the Rangers got any of these guys.

Id overpay for Smith. But i just have a hard time seeing Vegas trading him if they are trying to win a Cup. Hes so important to their team

 

[duhmetreE]

Given the timing of the Pacioretty injury, I think Vegas can get by moving one big contract. I’ll look hard at Smith and if Karlsson is available, I’ll look real hard. Karlsson would be a prime candidate to bring in a third team for salary retention. I don’t think they would want to move Karlsson but it’s worth asking about. Don’t be confused, Karlsson is the second line center in Vegas…he wildly popular there and an excellent two way player.

Vegas may also want to move Brayden McNabb and I’m listening on that too.

Got to think Gallant would be over the moon if the Rangers got any of these guys.

To VGK - Chytil and Kravtsov
To DET - Jones/Lundkvist
To NYR - Karlsson @ $2.95M per ( that's only $500k more than current Chytil. )

Top6 Center set for at least 5 years.
Barron and Goodrow tag team as the 3C.
Berard, Othmann and Cuylle on the way to fill all the wing needs.
Schneider to take Lundkvist's place. Robertson in the wings as well.

do it.

 

[rangers1314]

Rooney and Lindgren off COVID list, Gettinger back to taxi squad.

 

[duhmetreE]

 

[Vitto79]

good good .....no Bread likely still tonight.

 

[NYR Viper]

I really like the idea of Karlsson. His contract works for a 2C almost perfectly and he is defensively responsible. The 5 year contract length, to me, is a plus as well with the cap expected to go up in a couple of years.

 

[bl02]

Good Fox is happy for sure.
We now get a 4th line again with Reaves-Rooney-Hunt (where he belongs).
Goodrow needs to be in top 6 or top 9.

 

[Claxton]

Chychrun is an interesting idea. Not sure I'd be happy with the asking price.

The "blockbuster"

Chytil+Jones+Nemeth+2022 1st

for

Chychrun+Hayton

 

[wafflepadsave]

I think I am more worried about potential deadline additions than excited. Kind of not looking forward to it. Have a bad feeling that Drury will option the future for the present, like this year only, but not for a player that would actually make us contenders, just one that will slightly improve our chances. And that whatever we give up will turn out to be exactly what we needed in say, 2-3 seasons, when hopefully, the young core starts showing it's ability. Heck, or even as soon as next season hopefully. But this is not the season to make desperate deadline deals to try to eek out a few extra wins. Because, well, I am largely not optimistic about our actual chances of contending for a CUP. Even with a couple of mediocre to moderate additions. I still think this team needs some key pieces that wont likely be what Drury acquires at the deadline. And given Drury's past decisions, I am doubly pessimistic about the deadline period. I am envisioning him, rightly or wrongly, making a couple of really daft moves ultimately. Hope I am wrong.

But I made my contribution to that conversation anyway. Kupari. He's the guy I want before the trade deadline. He'd be an upgrade over Chytil and a plausible future 2C. That's the kind of deadline day addition I am hoping for. But have a feeling the actual deadline incomers will be 10 years older and 3 times as expensive, and only contribute moderately towards winning and way less towards our future.

Still think we are a season or two away from saying the "future is now".

Some of those decisions could depend on if the jackass owner is anyway involved or if sather has input.

 

[duhmetreE]

@bobbop Would AZ retain on Chychrun?

they need to get to the cap floor somehow

 

[EdJovanovski]

Don’t get why anyone thinks what we need is defense lol
What we need is speedy offense

 

[duhmetreE]

Don’t get why anyone thinks what we need is defense lol
What we need is speedy offense

tbh we need a spark plug 3rd line. The upgrades are to Chytil and Gauthier. They just have been lackluaster.

Maybe in a different scenario they could work

 

[leetch99]

None of these moves make us any better outside of Jarnkrok.

I hope people are prepared for them to part with more significant pieces for more significant players. Drury has a shit load of cap space to use this year.

The trick will be using the cap and not giving up much asset wise that hurts us long term . They will need to evaluate who looks like they will be a decent Ranger player and not just a hang on type like McKegg and Rooney -Nemeth-Tinordi types . Gain as much as you can in return via the money we have and retain our best A-B assets . Some of the bad contract guys we get from the West just might catch on like the Genie released from the bottle in the playoffs ......16 wins.

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

Both were ok, but there was a reason why Jon Cooper kept trying to throw out the Stamkos line against the jones-lundkvist paring.

Yea because they are rookies.... not because they played poorly.

 

[DanielBrassard]

I'd rather target someone younger than Gourde or Karlsson. I know we talked about him a lot last offseason but I still think Cirelli would be a really good fit. What would it take to get him out of Tampa? Georgiev + something? Brian Elliott isn't reliable as a backup.

Hajek is a top pairing defenseman, I think we could swing him for Cirelli pretty easily.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Don’t get why anyone thinks what we need is defense lol
What we need is speedy offense

They need players on the back end that can actually push the puck up ice. It's been their biggest weakness all season and a big reason why there is this misconception that they need speedy forwards. It doesn't matter how fast your forwards are if your D can't get the puck onto a teammates stick cleanly out of their own end.

 

[Ola]

This is the weirdest team right now.

They aren't that good but they also don't particularly need anything.

Tbh I think the biggest needs are replacing guys that simply aren't going to be replaced, so we're hoping for the best with what we have.

Granted that “aren’t that good” isn’t a super precise term, I am going to object a bit anyway!

Especially compared to previous versions of this franchise, we do certain things really well. I don’t think we are as good as prime Tampa, Carolina is ahead of us this year IMO, but behind Carolina in the east we are as good as it gets IMO.

First of all, we are a very well balanced team. It is not easy to play against our 3rd and 4th line. They go North to South fast and makes the opponent battle very hard always. The mixed in with the top two lines and some players that are very irregular and hard to read, make us a team that certainly isn’t easy to play against. From one shift to the next we go from being tremendously fancy and creative to wave back and forth finishing hits hard and playing a fast N-S game.

Second of all, we got a ton of game winning ability on the team. Panarin is top 3-5 in the league. Ziba can win games. Kreider have been hot. Fox is insane. All of a sudden someone like Miller is tearing through you on a rush. We are capable of popping in goals even against good teams defensively.

Third of all, our defense is underrated IMO. It’s a classic Ranger fan miss assumption from my point of view. The ‘I was about to say that defensemen X had been good until that turnover in the 3rd’—thinking. Just like No forward will score on every short, no defensemen will be perfect 60 minutes a night and 82 games per year.

All this comes from Gallant recognizing and focusing on what is important in this league. I posted about this many times early this season when the dooms day was deemed to be near. Sure things aren’t pretty, but we are doing the right things and other things will improve slowly but surely. And they have been, and they are are.

 

[DanielBrassard]

Don’t get why anyone thinks what we need is defense lol
What we need is speedy offense

I would agree, however Chychrun is locked in at a very nice number. So if they can make something happen there it might be a good idea.

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

To VGK - Chytil and Kravtsov
To DET - Jones/Lundkvist
To NYR - Karlsson @ $2.95M per ( that's only $500k more than current Chytil. )

Top6 Center set for at least 5 years.
Barron and Goodrow tag team as the 3C.
Berard, Othmann and Cuylle on the way to fill all the wing needs.
Schneider to take Lundkvist's place. Robertson in the wings as well.

do it.

Hell NO! if we are trading chytl jones and kravy we better be getting a better player than Karlsson and someone that can fit with our growing team. If we are going to trade all three pieces than why not just for Larkin, or horvat? If drury made that trade i would go to his house and drop kick him

 

[Bruner4329]

I can see Chytil being traded but we have to be careful to value him appropriately. He has struggled this season but that entire line has struggled and he is 22 years old with 215 NHL games under his belt, all mainly at center. He shouldn't and hopefully won't be traded for any rental. That would be horrible asset management.

Now if you are talking Larkin, Horvat, Karlsson? Then he enters the conversation as a possibility.

We are not the ones valuing Chytil. It really comes down to what the other teams think about him and how they rate him. Other than him being young I am not sure how he is looked upon. His play so far this year has done nothing to increase his trade value.

 

[Machinehead]

Granted that “aren’t that good” isn’t a super precise term, I am going to object a bit anyway!

Especially compared to previous versions of this franchise, we do certain things really well. I don’t think we are as good as prime Tampa, Carolina is ahead of us this year IMO, but behind Carolina in the east we are as good as it gets IMO.

First of all, we are a very well balanced team. It is not easy to play against our 3rd and 4th line. They go North to South fast and makes the opponent battle very hard always. The mixed in with the top two lines and some players that are very irregular and hard to read, make us a team that certainly isn’t easy to play against. From one shift to the next we go from being tremendously fancy and creative to wave back and forth finishing hits hard and playing a fast N-S game.

Second of all, we got a ton of game winning ability on the team. Panarin is top 3-5 in the league. Ziba can win games. Kreider have been hot. Fox is insane. All of a sudden someone like Miller is tearing through you on a rush. We are capable of popping in goals even against good teams defensively.

Third of all, our defense is underrated IMO. It’s a classic Ranger fan miss assumption from my point of view. The ‘I was about to say that defensemen X had been good until that turnover in the 3rd’—thinking. Just like No forward will score on every short, no defensemen will be perfect 60 minutes a night and 82 games per year.

All this comes from Gallant recognizing and focusing on what is important in this league. I posted about this many times early this season when the dooms day was deemed to be near. Sure things aren’t pretty, but we are doing the right things and other things will improve slowly but surely. And they have been, and they are are.

I don't disagree with any of your points but we still give up too many shots and get outshot pretty consistently. It's something this organization has straight up failed to care about year after year and it leads to predictable results.

When you get into the playoffs and so many of the goals are screens and deflections, the team that's shooting more scores more.

You see the bitching and the moaning every time we play a playoff-style game, especially against the Islanders over the last few years. "They're too sawft for this kind of hockey!!!1!" They're not too soft for that kind of hockey; they just don't have the puck enough for that kind of hockey.

They haven't addressed that yet again.

 

[Kocur Dill]

I can see Chytil being traded but we have to be careful to value him appropriately. He has struggled this season but that entire line has struggled and he is 22 years old with 215 NHL games under his belt, all mainly at center. He shouldn't and hopefully won't be traded for any rental. That would be horrible asset management.

Now if you are talking Larkin, Horvat, Karlsson? Then he enters the conversation as a possibility.

I'd be looking to emulate the Zibanjad/Brassard deal.

Chytil + 1st or 2nd

Larkin/Horvat

Something in that ballpark.

 

[McRanger92]

I don't disagree with any of your points but we still give up too many shots and get outshot pretty consistently. It's something this organization has straight up failed to care about year after year and it leads to predictable results.

When you get into the playoffs and so many of the goals are screens and deflections, the team that's shooting more scores more.

You see the bitching and the moaning every time we play a playoff-style game, especially against the Islanders over the last few years. "They're too sawft for this kind of hockey!!!1!" They're not too soft for that kind of hockey; they just don't have the puck enough for that kind of hockey.

They haven't addressed that yet again.

I think this goes hand in hand with the need for a vet puck moving D. They spend so much time defending because they struggle to move the puck out quickly. The team absolutely has the firepower at forward to excel in the offensive zone, but the problem is they dont get in enough.

They also still need to shoot more

 

[brians1128]

I'd be looking to emulate the Zibanjad/Brassard deal.

Chytil + 1st or 2nd

Larkin/Horvat

Something in that ballpark.

Thats a no brainer. I think 99% of this board will agree. I just don't think it's on the table at this time, and the Rangers brass should practice patience and not force anything.

 

[bobbop]

@bobbop Would AZ retain on Chychrun?

they need to get to the cap floor somehow

They might, but be prepared to pay. Chytil+Nemeth type offers need not apply.