Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXI

[Ola]

That was never a thing. That only exists in fantasy sports.

Waiver priority is based on standings, always has, always will be. The only exception is the first month of the season where last season's standings are what determines the ranking.

But teams never "move to the bottom of the list" for a successful waiver pick up.

I checked, at least not since the 05’ lockout.

I do have some vague recollection that it used to be a thing before that. I could be wrong though.

 

[duhmetreE]

Arvidsson no slouch. Not PPG like Buchnevich but is also making his team and line mates better

I'm on that Rodrigues hype train. A poor mans Gourde.... but after this season, not so much

Was hoping Pittsburgh would taper off and we could acquire him.... now it'd have to be in Free Agency

 

[egelband]

Neal doesn’t fit. I’d prefer to see Barron honestly. He’s slow and contributes very little if he isn’t scoring.

Probably right. Though I don’t think a waiver add is too risky either way. But I also wonder how strong the lockerroom is, at this point. Drury may or may not turn out to be a good GM but I do assume he understands the lockerroom dynamic.

 

[McRanger92]

The trade to make is still with Vegas. Reilly Smith as a rental and Wild Bill Karlsson as the 2nd line center up the middle. Vegas has Stephenson and Eichel up the middle with a myriad of wing options. They burned all of their futures on the Eichel deal. The Rangers have a need up the middle.

Karlsson is making $5.9 million for 5 more years after this one. Does Vegas want him on their third line making almost $6 million for the next 5 years? He's third in the pecking order once Eichel is back. The two teams match well in terms of needs.

Rangers get:
Reilly Smith (UFA)
William Karlsson (25% cap hit retained)

Vegas get:
Vitali Kravtsov
Zac Jones
Matt Robertson
2022 1st

Rangers pay the 1st and another defense prospect to get retention on Karlsson.

Chytil then dealt for an established 3rd line center like Faksa out of Dallas.

Kreider-Zib-Kakko
Panarin-Strome-Smith
Laf-Karlsson-Goodrow
Rooney-Faksa-Reaves/Hunt
Goat extra

Rangers let Strome walk in UFA. Next year they have

Kreider-Zib-Kakko
Panarin-Karlsson-Goodrow
Laf-Faksa-Berard/Cuylle/Othmann
Hunt-UFA//Barron/Rooney back?/Reaves

I think the young wingers in the system are very much in the mix for spots next year. I think Rooney is brought back for insurance. Barron should also be on the team in some capacity. He and Faksa may yo-yo up and down between the 3rd and 4th line to start out.

That's a well rounded forward corps and the Rangers get a run with Strome and Smith to go for it this year.

Reilly Smith really is a perfect fit for Kreider-Mika, pushing Kakko back to Panarin-Strome. Unfortunately i think Vegas has gamed the salary cap enough to not have to move him

 

[mas0764]

Never once seen edge say it was the 1st in 21 so it could've been a first in 22 or 23 and would certainly be top 10 protected, and I don't believe he ever said it was for only buch. He always drop bits of info but rarely lays out the whole plot for people here.

If the king's offered 8oa and kupari for just buch than sure that's probably a miss by us, but if it was say kupari and a too 10 protected pick in 22 for buch and jones/nils than suddenly it doesn't look like such a slam dunk.

Until he comes out and fully says what the entire offer was I will reserve judgement

Yeah, I didn’t claim what year it was, but honestly you don’t really see trades with picks that far in advance. My guess is it would have been this coming year with some sort of protections, and if not, then the following year with no protections. In two drafts with many top centers, that’s valuable.

Pretty sure he said straight up it was Kupari “and a first,” for Buch and that he himself would have preferred that offer, which is an understatement from my perspective to say the least.

 

[McRanger92]

The forward group really needs a top 6 winger to play with Kreider/Strome. It would push Kakko down and give the ability to play Goodrow at 3C with Lafreniere.

Kreider-Zibanejad-(Smith/Kessel)
Panarin-Strome-Kakko
Lafreniere-Goodrow-Chytil/Gauthier
Hunt-Rooney-Reaves

Some more beef in the bottom 6 would be helpful too, as @BBKers mentioned.

Judging by the returns on rental wingers the past few season, they should be able to acquire a legit player without having to give up a 1st.

 

[NYR Viper]

There are a couple of guys I would buy on, but mainly depth guys:

Antoine Roussel - middling prospect is probably the cost. He would be a nice depth addition to play over someone like McKegg.
Johan Larsson - Probably a mid-round pick, he can play wing or center.
Michael Raffl - Adds speed to the bottom-6. Good PKer. Probably a mid-round pick
Calle Jarnkork - Speed and some offensive ability. Plays all 3 forward spots. Probably a 3rd.

I would probably add Roussel + one of the other three, with Jarnkrok being primary target, then Larsson, then Raffl.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

There are a couple of guys I would buy on, but mainly depth guys:

Antoine Roussel - middling prospect is probably the cost. He would be a nice depth addition to play over someone like McKegg.
Johan Larsson - Probably a mid-round pick, he can play wing or center.
Michael Raffl - Adds speed to the bottom-6. Good PKer. Probably a mid-round pick
Calle Jarnkork - Speed and some offensive ability. Plays all 3 forward spots. Probably a 3rd.

I would probably add Roussel + one of the other three, with Jarnkrok being primary target, then Larsson, then Raffl.

None of these moves make us any better outside of Jarnkrok.

I hope people are prepared for them to part with more significant pieces for more significant players. Drury has a shit load of cap space to use this year.

 

[mas0764]

The forward group really needs a top 6 winger to play with Kreider/Strome. It would push Kakko down and give the ability to play Goodrow at 3C with Lafreniere.

Kreider-Zibanejad-(Smith/Kessel)
Panarin-Strome-Kakko
Lafreniere-Goodrow-Chytil/Gauthier
Hunt-Rooney-Reaves

Some more beef in the bottom 6 would be helpful too, as @BBKers mentioned.

Judging by the returns on rental wingers the past few season, they should be able to acquire a legit player without having to give up a 1st.

I'm ok with throwing a second and/or third out there and seeing what it brings back.

And of course I would pay more/overpay to get a long term piece (which obviously would have to be a young and inexpensive core forward, so I'm talking a big deal involving a first and prospects).

 

[bleedblue94]

Yeah, I didn’t claim what year it was, but honestly you don’t really see trades with picks that far in advance. My guess is it would have been this coming year with some sort of protections, and if not, then the following year with no protections. In two drafts with many top centers, that’s valuable.

Pretty sure he said straight up it was Kupari “and a first,” for Buch and that he himself would have preferred that offer, which is an understatement from my perspective to say the least.

I just am always careful with his posts bc he frames them in such a way that certain info is there and sometimes it isn't. @Edge uses his words VERY carefully and I believe that is intentional. Sometimes people here look past that and take the concept he is talking about and they fill in blanks and run with it the way that they want to. I am not saying that is you in this instance, but this offer seems to be taken as set in stone Kupari and 1st (no context on year or protections) for just buch. I would love to hear exactly what it was though at some point.

 

[Machinehead]

This is the weirdest team right now.

They aren't that good but they also don't particularly need anything.

Tbh I think the biggest needs are replacing guys that simply aren't going to be replaced, so we're hoping for the best with what we have.

 

[NYR Viper]

None of these moves make us any better outside of Jarnkrok.

I hope people are prepared for them to part with more significant pieces for more significant players. Drury has a shit load of cap space to use this year.

It really depends on what other teams are trying to get done. There will be some teams with cap space who can't use it. There will be others with no cap space looking to push bad contracts to offset dollars the other way that may not be attractive to teams looking at revenue hits for the remainder of the season when they sell.

I'm not sure I see the right guy to go after and spend all of these assets on. If Arizona is looking to dump Kessel for peanuts to get out from the remainder of his money and there aren't many teams interested? Sure. Am I looking to pay a 1st or 2nd + Robertson for Pavelski? Hell no.

 

[AWall THE CLAW]

This is another reason having Gallant is going to prove to pay off in spades for the Rangers. Come trade deadline, he's savvy and smart enough to be able to tell Drury exactly what he needs and let Drury go get it. Much like in 2013 when Torts told the FO that they can't play his game without depth and thus trading your best pure offensive player away is actually going to help. (He got canned once it was apparent that Torts Hockey wasn't going to get them where they needed to go, but for that moment they were stuck with him) Had Quinn ever had the team in position to buy at the deadline I'm fairly certain we'd have either stood pat or made a splash with a star that may or may not have been a fit. Whoever the Rangers go and get (and they'll get someone because it's obvious another winger will help) I'm confident that it's going to be the right guy.

 

[Gardner McKay]

Can you imagine this place when Neal is getting PP time over KK or Laf?

That would be more of an indictment of the coaching staffs lack of faith in Kakko/Laf than anything else. Would show you what the organization really thinks of our top picks.

 

[mas0764]

This is the weirdest team right now.

They aren't that good but they also don't particularly need anything.

Tbh I think the biggest needs are replacing guys that simply aren't going to be replaced, so we're hoping for the best with what we have.

That's why they should just keep the powder dry for high end acquisitions or prying loose young studs at center.

 

[Ola]

What is a Neal/Tarasenko type? Those are two very different players. Tarasenko is driving the Blues’ offense. We very much need another top-six, impact scorer.

I don't see Tarasenko as someone that drives the play, he is in my book also much more of a scorer, and I don't think that is what we need. We play way too much without the puck for my liking, getting a "high volume shooter" -- and don't get me wrong, Tarasenko is of course less of that than Neal and I am not saying they are carbon copies of each other -- will only make us play more without the puck.

I think that we are perfectly fine when we have the puck. Sure we can be a little toothless on the circle and so forth, but who isn't? Overpassing? Overall, I think that is to our benefit not to our detriment.

What we really lack is that waterbug type that covers a ton of ice and can slip away from the forecheckers and get the puck under control up ice. Gourde is fantastic at that.

 

[CLW]

Neal doesn’t fit. I’d prefer to see Barron honestly. He’s slow and contributes very little if he isn’t scoring.

That's the reason he is on waivers. The Blues said during the summer they wanted to get faster.

 

[RGY]

Neal shoots the puck. He has played for Gallant. He is the definition of low risk.

 

[CupSeeker]

Reilly Smith really is a perfect fit for Kreider-Mika, pushing Kakko back to Panarin-Strome. Unfortunately i think Vegas has gamed the salary cap enough to not have to move him

Reilly Smith would be the perfect get. Move Chytil to the wing and see what happens.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I can see the Rangers making a play for both Giordano and Gourde in a single package.

Whether or not its realistic is another story, but it would be one trade that would solve a lot of issues.

 

[KOVALEV022473]

I can see the Rangers making a play for both Giordano and Gourde in a single package.

Whether or not its realistic is another story, but it would be one trade that would solve a lot of issues.

I love it and agree 100%!

 

[KOVALEV022473]

I can see the Rangers making a play for both Giordano and Gourde in a single package.

Whether or not its realistic is another story, but it would be one trade that would solve a lot of issues.

What would you send back for that package?

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

What would you send back for that package?

No f***ing idea lol.

It'd cost a lot and would probably start with some combo of the 2022 1st, Chytil, Nils or Jones and another piece.

I'm not sold that Seattle would want to move Gourde just yet either, but if they really want to boost their futures cache, he's one of their most valuable trade chips.

 

[rangers1314]

Looks like Lindgren is back on the active roster, per CapFriendly transactions page.

I assume Jones goes back down and Libor goes with Nils? Not saying I want that, but that would be where my money goes....

 

[KOVALEV022473]

No f***ing idea lol.

It'd cost a lot and would probably start with some combo of the 2022 1st, Chytil, Nils or Jones and another piece.

I'm not sold that Seattle would want to move Gourde just yet either, but if they really want to boost their futures cache, he's one of their most valuable trade chips.

I’d throw Kravy in that package as well to get it done. Sorry, @EdJovanovski, I do like Kravtsov a lot, but I believe Gio and Gourde put us over the top.