Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXI

[brakeyawself]

Honestly, really insulting to Strome to make that comparison. Strome is a legit 2nd line center.

Not for a contender, I don't think. To buy time, sure.

 

[brakeyawself]

We should be talking about potential deadline additions yet we’re still whining about the Buchnevich trade. Why?

I think I am more worried about potential deadline additions than excited. Kind of not looking forward to it. Have a bad feeling that Drury will option the future for the present, like this year only, but not for a player that would actually make us contenders, just one that will slightly improve our chances. And that whatever we give up will turn out to be exactly what we needed in say, 2-3 seasons, when hopefully, the young core starts showing it's ability. Heck, or even as soon as next season hopefully. But this is not the season to make desperate deadline deals to try to eek out a few extra wins. Because, well, I am largely not optimistic about our actual chances of contending for a CUP. Even with a couple of mediocre to moderate additions. I still think this team needs some key pieces that wont likely be what Drury acquires at the deadline. And given Drury's past decisions, I am doubly pessimistic about the deadline period. I am envisioning him, rightly or wrongly, making a couple of really daft moves ultimately. Hope I am wrong.

But I made my contribution to that conversation anyway. Kupari. He's the guy I want before the trade deadline. He'd be an upgrade over Chytil and a plausible future 2C. That's the kind of deadline day addition I am hoping for. But have a feeling the actual deadline incomers will be 10 years older and 3 times as expensive, and only contribute moderately towards winning and way less towards our future.

Still think we are a season or two away from saying the "future is now".

 

[Savant]

Ah yea, Arvidsenn.... eh. He's doing ok..... not so great in comparison to Buch. Relative, Arv is a pretty small buy.

You are just making up "common sense" rules that don't necessarily exist. There's 100 different ways, paths by which to run a team, and then 1,000 different options at nearly every step. Again, that's a pretty narrow presumption on your part. And it's largely based on a rumor, that if true makes Drury look like a giant failure, so I really don't know how much stock can be put into something like that.

But also, again, it's not like they have ONE chip, they have many. Which means they can do not just a"big ticket item", but that and more. SO restricting their options to that just doesn't seem at all reasonable.

Arvidsson no slouch. Not PPG like Buchnevich but is also making his team and line mates better

 

[mas0764]

I mean, it makes him look like SUCH a moron that I have a very difficult time believing it's true. I honestly don't think we should put too much stock into something like that. Because if it is true, that really is just another sign that Drury might not be cut out for this. I would say like 90% of his moves so far have been between questionable and decent. That's about it. Goodrow was a good pickup. And on top of other apparent botches, like with Kravtsov...... I don't know. I am not nearly as optimistic about this build as I was under the previous admin, which is saying a lot. But right now, I would take Gorton and JR back in a heartbeat. They're the ones that got the majority of these prospects anyway. But I am probably in the minority on that. I just really still don't trust our ownership to make the right administration level moves, throughout the organization from top to bottom. Which is really where I see the problems emanating from with this team.

I mean, all his moves have been extremely questionable so I don’t see why I shouldn’t believe the Kupari deal was on the table. It also would line up with common sense. A 26 year old first line winger should be able to bring back a center prospect and a good pick. That’s why I was so adamant we try to move Buch for someone like Lundell to begin with, because that’s a good value match and Florida needed wing help.

The best thing you can say about Drury at this point is that maybe he’s just a puppet of Sather/Dolan. The entire grit and toughness movement has been a complete disaster. It rushed the rebuild and threw away value in every transaction.

 

[mas0764]

We should be talking about potential deadline additions yet we’re still whining about the Buchnevich trade. Why?

Its informative to learn from past mistakes.

The Rangers should be using their assets to get young, under 25 forwards/centers to build around, not renting the Phil Kessels of the world who walk in 4 months. Unless to cost is essentially nothing.

 

[Jim Ramsay]

Not for a contender, I don't think. To buy time, sure.

Strome is the 32nd ranked center in points in the league...that is at least a second line center right?

 

[Fitzy]

He can still be an effective player. He isn't the player we want him to be, but that doesn't mean he is ineffective. He's just been cast in a role that he shouldn't be on this team, but he puts up points. He is to panarin what Erik Christiansen was at times to gaborik when the team had no better options. 1c Erik Christiansen, those were the days...

Strome actually scores with Panarin, and has for a few years now. Christensen had one awkward season centering Gaborik because nothing else worked... and only got 27 points out of it.

Like him or not, Strome is much closer to a Nylander to Jagr than he is a Christensen to Gaborik.

 

[I Eat Crow]

The trade to make is still with Vegas. Reilly Smith as a rental and Wild Bill Karlsson as the 2nd line center up the middle. Vegas has Stephenson and Eichel up the middle with a myriad of wing options. They burned all of their futures on the Eichel deal. The Rangers have a need up the middle.

Karlsson is making $5.9 million for 5 more years after this one. Does Vegas want him on their third line making almost $6 million for the next 5 years? He's third in the pecking order once Eichel is back. The two teams match well in terms of needs.

Rangers get:
Reilly Smith (UFA)
William Karlsson (25% cap hit retained)

Vegas get:
Vitali Kravtsov
Zac Jones
Matt Robertson
2022 1st

Rangers pay the 1st and another defense prospect to get retention on Karlsson.

Chytil then dealt for an established 3rd line center like Faksa out of Dallas.

Kreider-Zib-Kakko
Panarin-Strome-Smith
Laf-Karlsson-Goodrow
Rooney-Faksa-Reaves/Hunt
Goat extra

Rangers let Strome walk in UFA. Next year they have

Kreider-Zib-Kakko
Panarin-Karlsson-Goodrow
Laf-Faksa-Berard/Cuylle/Othmann
Hunt-UFA//Barron/Rooney back?/Reaves

I think the young wingers in the system are very much in the mix for spots next year. I think Rooney is brought back for insurance. Barron should also be on the team in some capacity. He and Faksa may yo-yo up and down between the 3rd and 4th line to start out.

That's a well rounded forward corps and the Rangers get a run with Strome and Smith to go for it this year.

 

[bobbop]

With Pacioretty having surgery, Smith probably won't be traded now, right?

Probably not until the end of January at a minimum.

Dadanov has two more years on his contract which will make him tough to move.

Drury will almost certainly be on the west coast trip. That could lead to some 8nteresting conversations.

 

[mas0764]

The trade to make is still with Vegas. Reilly Smith as a rental and Wild Bill Karlsson as the 2nd line center up the middle. Vegas has Stephenson and Eichel up the middle with a myriad of wing options. They burned all of their futures on the Eichel deal. The Rangers have a need up the middle.

Karlsson is making $5.9 million for 5 more years after this one. Does Vegas want him on their third line making almost $6 million for the next 5 years? He's third in the pecking order once Eichel is back. The two teams match well in terms of needs.

Rangers get:
Reilly Smith (UFA)
William Karlsson (25% cap hit retained)

Vegas get:
Vitali Kravtsov
Zac Jones
Matt Robertson
2022 1st

Rangers pay the 1st and another defense prospect to get retention on Karlsson.

Chytil then dealt for an established 3rd line center like Faksa out of Dallas.

Kreider-Zib-Kakko
Panarin-Strome-Smith
Laf-Karlsson-Goodrow
Rooney-Faksa-Reaves/Hunt
Goat extra

Rangers let Strome walk in UFA. Next year they have

Kreider-Zib-Kakko
Panarin-Karlsson-Goodrow
Laf-Faksa-Berard/Cuylle/Othmann
Hunt-UFA//Barron/Rooney back?/Reaves

I think the young wingers in the system are very much in the mix for spots next year. I think Rooney is brought back for insurance. Barron should also be on the team in some capacity. He and Faksa may yo-yo up and down between the 3rd and 4th line to start out.

That's a well rounded forward corps and the Rangers get a run with Strome and Smith to go for it this year.

n/m, misread the post for next year's depth chart.

I will say I'm not interested in trading any of Kravtsov, Jones, Robertson and a '22 first for a 29 year old center who doesn't crack 60 points.

 

[DanielBrassard]

The trade to make is still with Vegas. Reilly Smith as a rental and Wild Bill Karlsson as the 2nd line center up the middle. Vegas has Stephenson and Eichel up the middle with a myriad of wing options. They burned all of their futures on the Eichel deal. The Rangers have a need up the middle.

Karlsson is making $5.9 million for 5 more years after this one. Does Vegas want him on their third line making almost $6 million for the next 5 years? He's third in the pecking order once Eichel is back. The two teams match well in terms of needs.

Rangers get:
Reilly Smith (UFA)
William Karlsson (25% cap hit retained)

Vegas get:
Vitali Kravtsov
Zac Jones
Matt Robertson
2022 1st

Rangers pay the 1st and another defense prospect to get retention on Karlsson.

Chytil then dealt for an established 3rd line center like Faksa out of Dallas.

Kreider-Zib-Kakko
Panarin-Strome-Smith
Laf-Karlsson-Goodrow
Rooney-Faksa-Reaves/Hunt
Goat extra

Rangers let Strome walk in UFA. Next year they have

Kreider-Zib-Kakko
Panarin-Karlsson-Goodrow
Laf-Faksa-Berard/Cuylle/Othmann
Hunt-UFA//Barron/Rooney back?/Reaves

I think the young wingers in the system are very much in the mix for spots next year. I think Rooney is brought back for insurance. Barron should also be on the team in some capacity. He and Faksa may yo-yo up and down between the 3rd and 4th line to start out.

That's a well rounded forward corps and the Rangers get a run with Strome and Smith to go for it this year.

Vegas isn't trading two thirds of a really important line for them. With Pacioretty out it is even unlikely that Smith is traded.

 

[Kaapo Cabana]

Seattle is not trading gourde. They have literally identified him and tanev as the faces of the team and what they want their players to be like/play like. It would be like St Louis trading ror, or the devil's trading hischer. The guys that the organizations look at as examples for the rest of the teammates almost never get dealt unless their are contract issues or something else happening. There's a real chance gourde is wearing the c in Seattle next year if Giordano leaves

I mean the guy is 30 and his team is trash. Wouldn’t it make sense for them to acquire some young assets for him?

 

[bleedblue94]

Edge reported that Buch for Kupari and a first was offered by LA.

And yes Drury is a moron for passing on that deal.

Never once seen edge say it was the 1st in 21 so it could've been a first in 22 or 23 and would certainly be top 10 protected, and I don't believe he ever said it was for only buch. He always drop bits of info but rarely lays out the whole plot for people here.

If the king's offered 8oa and kupari for just buch than sure that's probably a miss by us, but if it was say kupari and a too 10 protected pick in 22 for buch and jones/nils than suddenly it doesn't look like such a slam dunk.

Until he comes out and fully says what the entire offer was I will reserve judgement

 

[bleedblue94]

I mean the guy is 30 and his team is trash. Wouldn’t it make sense for them to acquire some young assets for him?

So new 650mil franchise that is underachieving in their first year strips it down more while they are trying to build a fanbase but can't even play 500 hockey?

There more to teams than just what we like to call asset management. They need to have a competitive product out there. The days of expansion teams getting a 3-5 year grace period for ineptitude are over. Having said that I think Francis has done a mediocre job at best and chose an awful coach...

 

[bleedblue94]

Strome actually scores with Panarin, and has for a few years now. Christensen had one awkward season centering Gaborik because nothing else worked... and only got 27 points out of it.

Like him or not, Strome is much closer to a Nylander to Jagr than he is a Christensen to Gaborik.

Nylander was a much better player even before he lined up with jagr. He broke 60 points multiple times and had another season of 50 ish in 60 some games.

Prior to coming here strome 1 season over 34pts. They really aren't comparable. Please don't take my comments on strome as me projecting that he is worthless or something, my original post on the topic was saying he has proven that he can be a contributor without panarin but he just isn't the player that we seem to want in the top 6 bc of his style/particular deficiencies. It has more to do with the roster mix than with the current player

 

[bleedblue94]

Honestly, really insulting to Strome to make that comparison. Strome is a legit 2nd line center.

It was hyberbole and I figured people could read that. My original comment on the topic was that he has shown even with panarin out he is a contributor to this team. He just isn't the 2c that compliments the makeup of this roster, and if he was the guy here I doubt the org would be chasing another center for as long as they have.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I’d rather not waste the claim. There is no evidence that he has anything left in the tank. Keep flexibility. Don't think there is any upside and don’t think he’s an upgrade necessarily. Would rather give in house options those minutes especially considering guys like Barron can’t get on the ice as is

Not waste the claim? This isn't fantasy sports. Your waiver wire spot doesn't change when you claim a player. Neal is the only player on waivers. Claiming him changes nothing for future waiver options.

 

[egelband]

Not commenting on what should or should not be done, but just out of curiosity, is any team about to ‘tear it apart’?

I was looking at the standings and didn’t see any team stand out, but maybe I just haven’t paid attention.

Fair point. I’ve got to think there’s a decent 2C out there though. It’s really all we really need. A center. Maybe a depth winger with upside. That’s all. Get them.

 

[QJL]

Igor has really been special. Through 68 career games he boasts a .925 save percentage. For the record… goalies with 100+ games, it’s Hasek and Jack Campbell with the best at .922, and active Saros, Bishop, Vasilevskiy, and Antti Raanta(!) in the top 10.

If he can keep this up for another 50 games he’s going to solidify himself as a Vezina frontrunner.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Igor has really been special. Through 68 career games he boasts a .925 save percentage. For the record… goalies with 100+ games, it’s Hasek and Jack Campbell with the best at .922, and active Saros, Bishop, Vasilevskiy, and Antti Raanta(!) in the top 10.

If he can keep this up for another 50 games he’s going to solidify himself as a Vezina frontrunner.

The .925 sv% is the 5th highest in NHL history after 68 games.

 

[Ola]

No way I see that team with Arv and Gourde as a top contender.

Plus, I am not really a big Arv fan. He's ok. I really hope we could bring more to the table than he though. And Gourde I mean, for 3rd liner. We have plenty of bottom 6 assets all ready. What we need is high end talent. And that becomes even more apparent when Laf and Kakko still haven't been producing. Depending on either of them as future high end producers at this point, in my view, is foolish. Neither has yet proven they are going to become what we need them to become, so there's not much to bank on honestly. We have 3 legit top 6 forwards right now, Kreider, Panarin, Zibby. Strome... is borderline and I'd rather he not return next year. Chytil..... has been disappointing. I think he needs to move to the wing to maximize his skillset. Which means we need a 2/3c. Strome would be ideal at 3c, but could live with him for this season at 2c. But looking forward, I really think we need an upgrade over him.

I get where you are coming from, but respectfully I disagree 100%. The last thing we need -- IMO -- is a Neal/Taransenko type. We need someone who can drive the play. Gourde was the 3rd line C for the last two cup winners, but in a sense his line was often used as a No 1 line. They always played the toughest minutes 5 on 5.

That is a need, Arvidsson, IMO would be more of a "luxury" depth add. But I do think that he is a really valuable player.

 

[Ola]

Not waste the claim? This isn't fantasy sports. Your waiver wire spot doesn't change when you claim a player. Neal is the only player on waivers. Claiming him changes nothing for future waiver options.

It used to! It doesn't anymore?

But as to the point I agree no matter what, we aren't wasting much since its an option we never use.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

It used to! It doesn't anymore?

But as to the point I agree no matter what, we aren't wasting much since its an option we never use.

That was never a thing. That only exists in fantasy sports.

Waiver priority is based on standings, always has, always will be. The only exception is the first month of the season where last season's standings are what determines the ranking.

But teams never "move to the bottom of the list" for a successful waiver pick up.

 

[Avery16]

I get where you are coming from, but respectfully I disagree 100%. The last thing we need -- IMO -- is a Neal/Taransenko type. We need someone who can drive the play. Gourde was the 3rd line C for the last two cup winners, but in a sense his line was often used as a No 1 line. They always played the toughest minutes 5 on 5.

That is a need, Arvidsson, IMO would be more of a "luxury" depth add. But I do think that he is a really valuable player.

What is a Neal/Tarasenko type? Those are two very different players. Tarasenko is driving the Blues’ offense. We very much need another top-six, impact scorer.

 

[NYR Viper]

Neal doesn’t fit. I’d prefer to see Barron honestly. He’s slow and contributes very little if he isn’t scoring.