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Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXI

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brakeyawself said:
Rasmus Kupari........

I have been saying this since like October. We need to move Robertson or Tuo, or something for Kupari. He's got the skills and potential to be an eventual 2C. He plays a physical game and doesn't lack in offensive potential. He can be a complete, 2 way package. And he won't necessarily cost the same as the top or "elite" prospects. Especially since he's destined, at least in the foreseeable future, to be relegated to the 3rd or 4th line in LA for many years.

I think he would slide right in to our 3rd line right now at center. Chytil would move to the wing. And then by next year, Kupari could realistically take over for Strome.

Honestly, at this point, having watched both Kupari and Turcotte in a few games this season, I think I would prefer Kupari. At least for the NYR's needs. Not only is he a terrific 2 way play with a fairly high offensive ceiling, not only does he play a gritty, physical game, but he's very good at faceoffs also with room to grow. And we so need that out of our 3C right now and out of our future 2C.

I don't know how likely this is to happen. But I think it is plausible. And I think, after a few extra months of watching him play, I want him for the NYR even more than I did in October.

And really, if we could get him for someone like Tuo or Robertson, it's a no brainer IMO. If they insisted on like Jones or Miller or Lundqivst, I would have to think real hard about it but possibly turn them down. Only because I think we can get a better, more elite prospect for Lundkvist, and the way Jones has looked in the AHL so far, he might be worth more as well.

But yea..... Kupari could be an absolutely perfect fit.

And I wouldn't want to move Chytil either. Lord knows we need upgrades at RW as things stand. Unless they're willing to make amends with Kravtsov and have him back, which honestly SHOULD happen as he's performing very well in the KHL. Just about on par with the way guys like Panarin, Kurachev and Kaprizov have performed at a similar age. But I honestly think he's worth more than Kupari now also, so if we did move Krav, would want an elite prospect in return still.
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I refuse to believe (rightfully or wrongfully) that Drury rates Kupari. Don’t think there’s a deal to be had with LA
 
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Savant said:
I refuse to believe (rightfully or wrongfully) that Drury rates Kupari. Don’t think there’s a deal to be had with LA
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You refuse to believe Drury rates Kupari because ........?

Because you don't rate Kupari? Or Because you don't think Drury knows talent and an ideal fit when he sees it?

Based on his stint as GM so far, I would be willing to believe the latter, that Drury has issues recognizing needs and talent. Thus making such a perfect fit more unlikely.

But if the former is your "reasoning" then I can only assume you have not watched Kupari much and don't realize how talented he is and how high of a ceiling he actually has.

As far as "Don't think there is a deal to be had with LA"........ that part I don't see any objective reasoning behind. At all. LA is the perfect trade partner for the NYR given both teams current circumstance. NYR badly need a young, high ceiling center, Kings have a plethora of young, high ceiling centers. Kings need a young, 2 way D that can contribute offensively at least a bit, Rangers have a plethora of young, high ceiling D prospects. Frankly, I am not sure if there is a more perfect fit out there, for a deal right now than these two teams. It's SO perfect, I think the likelihood of something happening between these two teams, even if it isn't Kupari, but someone like JAD, Madden, Turcotte or whomever, is still very high. At least relative to the NYR trade fit with the rest of the teams in the NHL. But out of all the Kings young center prospects, outside of Byfield, I still think Kupari would be the second best fit for the Rangers. Turcotte probably 3rd. And the main reason I put Kupari ahead of Turcotte here, is because Kupari is clearly a more natural center and more likely to remain at center compared to Turcotte. Kings clearly number 1 best fit out there. And I am certainly not alone in thinking this.
 
BobMarleyNYR said:
Hey guys, just a reminder, Panarin sat... He's not listed on the roster according to the website... Just a little FYI.
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He's on CV protocols, no? Did I miss something? Sounds like you are suggesting the Rangers are going to waive or release him or something.
 
BobMarleyNYR said:
I ate too many gummies and missed the game because I was too busy saving the world.
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Lol. Which world? Video game?

Gotta watch those gummies. They just jump up on you if you hit them too hard. I try to vape during the day and then gummy before bed lol.
 
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duhmetreE said:
Kreider Zibs Kakko
Panarin Gourde Strome
Lafreniere Barron Goodrow

spare me, I know it's unlikely....

Laffy needs to be in the top6 eventually. He needs to play with skill but it is what it is. If he can't play RW or Center, something will have to be done eventually. Try the initial Laffy Zibs Kreider line again? Put Kakko back with Panarin and watch them dominate again

Barron Goodrow is a nice start to a matchup line. Maybe a speedster/sparkplug to finish it
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Agreed, thought he was more active today by far.
 
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wafflepadsave said:
Agreed, thought he was more active today by far.
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Some teams have not yet learned that you can't both have a development/rebuilding year and a seriously competing year. That kind of balance at least is sometimes near impossible to find.

And yea, I get it, we've won some games and we are doing well. We have our eye on a playoff spot. But if competing for that playoff spot comes at the detriment of developing our biggest assets, it really might not be worthwhile. ESPECIALLY if you are a team that likely are not competing for a cup, but just a 1 or 2 series and done playoff exit. Which I still think is the most likely outcome of us making the playoffs this season.

I would much rather see all our young guys getting heavy playing time, instead of striving for an early playoff exit. And I still think that's kind of what we are doing. Laf, Kakko, Jones, Lundkvist should all be getting quality NHL minutes this season. Kravtsov should as well, except we know what happened there lol. But I have a bad feeling we are going to look back on this season and the surrounding few seasons and ask "what the F was the organization thinking?" Laf has already had enough trouble developing and becoming what he should become. If Drury and Gallant won't put him in the best possible situation to grow and perform, then, IMO, that's a huge knock against them and their tenure with the NYR. Like why is Hajek still ahead of Jones on the depth chart? Why isn't Jones being tried with Trouba and, when Lindgren is healthy, Miller being paired with Lundqvist? Or some combo.

Anyway, now that we have a good bottom 6 to build upon, we should be focusing on our top 6 and developing the players that we have earmarked for our future top 6.
 
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Need to start talking about who/what your giving up for these names.
Nils
Zac
Chytil
Robertsson
Kravy
Nemeth
Hajek
1st rounder
2nd rounder
 
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Daves a mess said:
Need to start talking about who/what your giving up for these names.
Nils
Zac
Chytil
Robertsson
Kravy
Nemeth
Hajek
1st rounder
2nd rounder
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How we can't find a solid 2C/solid C prospect for this list is beyond bullshit.

Hajek/Nils/ZJ/Robertson/Krav are playing great hockey to boot.

1st/2nd this year in a (by all accounts) really strong draft.

Chytil still shouldn't be slept on either.

w t f
 
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Daves a mess said:
Need to start talking about who/what your giving up for these names.
Nils
Zac
Chytil
Robertsson
Kravy
Nemeth
Hajek
1st rounder
2nd rounder
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Not commenting on what should or should not be done, but just out of curiosity, is any team about to ‘tear it apart’?

I was looking at the standings and didn’t see any team stand out, but maybe I just haven’t paid attention.
 
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Not saying anything can be done, but let’s say we could get two guys that really makes sense, at @50% retained, we would definitely be a top 3 contender for a couple of years. Like was watching LA, just 100% hypothetically, say we got Arvidsson and Dandenault, then we are at Tampa level for sure. Depth will be super important in the POs and this year in general.

Again, it’s probably not even remotely possible, but adding vs keep building for the future isn’t 100% binary. It depends on what we can add. I am very far from a believer in getting big name rentals at the deadline. But if Drury could add say Yanni Gourde and a winger like say Arvidsson @50% — ie not just some big names but players that from my POV 110% gives us what we need — it’s something else. That would put us as close to a cup as a team can get basically in the Cap era for the next 3-4 years.

For example:
Chytil, Zac Jones and a 1st in 22’ for Yanni Gourde @50%
Kravy and Robertson for Arvidsson @50%

Kreider-Ziba-Arvidsson
Panarin-Strome-Laf
Goodrow-Gourde-Kakko
Reeves-Rooney-Hunt

Isolated, those are not “good” trades. But if Drury could pull them off and — add — Gourde and Arvidsson to this team for like 4.6m per in cap space, we are a top contender for the coming 3 POs no doubt. That is a chance you should not pass up.
 
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brakeyawself said:
You refuse to believe Drury rates Kupari because ........?

Because you don't rate Kupari? Or Because you don't think Drury knows talent and an ideal fit when he sees it?

Based on his stint as GM so far, I would be willing to believe the latter, that Drury has issues recognizing needs and talent. Thus making such a perfect fit more unlikely.

But if the former is your "reasoning" then I can only assume you have not watched Kupari much and don't realize how talented he is and how high of a ceiling he actually has.

As far as "Don't think there is a deal to be had with LA"........ that part I don't see any objective reasoning behind. At all. LA is the perfect trade partner for the NYR given both teams current circumstance. NYR badly need a young, high ceiling center, Kings have a plethora of young, high ceiling centers. Kings need a young, 2 way D that can contribute offensively at least a bit, Rangers have a plethora of young, high ceiling D prospects. Frankly, I am not sure if there is a more perfect fit out there, for a deal right now than these two teams. It's SO perfect, I think the likelihood of something happening between these two teams, even if it isn't Kupari, but someone like JAD, Madden, Turcotte or whomever, is still very high. At least relative to the NYR trade fit with the rest of the teams in the NHL. But out of all the Kings young center prospects, outside of Byfield, I still think Kupari would be the second best fit for the Rangers. Turcotte probably 3rd. And the main reason I put Kupari ahead of Turcotte here, is because Kupari is clearly a more natural center and more likely to remain at center compared to Turcotte. Kings clearly number 1 best fit out there. And I am certainly not alone in thinking this.
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I don’t think Drury rates Kupari because he could have gotten Kupari and a 1st for Buchnevich but took the Blais deal instead.

LA and NYR are not good partners because it doesn’t make much sense for LA to trade futures for futures. If they choose to cash in on their young centers it’ll be for an established player, probably all star level. D are easier to get than C and have less value. LA doesn’t have to make a move. They are positioned to take their time and unlike the Rangers weren’t mandated to rush their rebuild. LA does not need the Rangers help.
 
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