Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXI

[Kocur Dill]

Thats a no brainer. I think 99% of this board will agree. I just don't think it's on the table at this time, and the Rangers brass should practice patience and not force anything.

Admittedly, I think Larkin is better than Brassard was at the time so I do Chytil + 1st first him. Or sub Lunkvist for the 1st but I'd want a pick back with Larkin somewhere in the top 120-150 range.

 

[Machinehead]

I think this goes hand in hand with the need for a vet puck moving D. They spend so much time defending because they struggle to move the puck out quickly. The team absolutely has the firepower at forward to excel in the offensive zone, but the problem is they dont get in enough.

They also still need to shoot more

I mean, yeah, none of this is a problem with Fox on the ice. I agree. And yes they could shoot more although holding for quality is much more sustainable than trying to prevent quality as the other team shoots your lights out.

I also think part of it is mental. Being blessed with Hank and then Igor back to back, this team has constantly been in a position where they think they can just give up shots. It's become a team culture.

We had a stretch in November where we weren't doing that and we looked great. Now we're at it again. It indicates to me that it's a habit we need to break.

 

[duhmetreE]

Hell NO! if we are trading chytl jones and kravy we better be getting a better player than Karlsson and someone that can fit with our growing team. If we are going to trade all three pieces than why not just for Larkin, or horvat? If drury made that trade i would go to his house and drop kick him

because we can't afford Larkin or Horvat.

I get a lot of us don't watch West-Coast teams... but Karlsson is criminally under rated here

 

[n8]

I'd be looking to emulate the Zibanjad/Brassard deal.

Chytil + 1st or 2nd

Larkin/Horvat

Something in that ballpark.

If you were really emulating the deal, it would be Larkin + 2nd for Chytil and a 7th

 

[mas0764]

To VGK - Chytil and Kravtsov
To DET - Jones/Lundkvist
To NYR - Karlsson @ $2.95M per ( that's only $500k more than current Chytil. )

Top6 Center set for at least 5 years.
Barron and Goodrow tag team as the 3C.
Berard, Othmann and Cuylle on the way to fill all the wing needs.
Schneider to take Lundkvist's place. Robertson in the wings as well.

do it.

I don't understand the f***ing rush to give up four prime assets for William Karlsson.

Four assets like that should bring back an Eichel level target.

 

[tomobson]

because we can't afford Larkin or Horvat.

I get a lot of us don't watch West-Coast teams... but Karlsson is criminally under rated here

Vegas would be dumb to trade him. Great contract and every team would be bidding for him. They definitely find a way to hang on to him this season. Maybe in the offseason something might be doable.

 

[mas0764]

because we can't afford Larkin or Horvat

So the solution is to trade away more young cost-controlled pieces for another overpaid non-impact player?

The solution is to bite the bullet and identify which of the overpaid veterans on your own team you can live without, and then use your prospects to bring in either an actual elite piece, or do prospect swaps from your areas of depth (Defense) for your areas of need (center).

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

because we can't afford Larkin or Horvat.

I get a lot of us don't watch West-Coast teams... but Karlsson is criminally under rated here

Maybe he is but im not giving up all that for just karlsson. Its overpayment on a player who honestly for me doesnt move the needle the way Larkin or Horvat would for the present and the future of this team. What you just offered is MORE than the initial offer that was reported for Larkin during the draft. Which was Kravy/Nils and our 15th overall pick. Now you want to trade Kravy, nils, and chytl for a guy who is a middling center. Thats an offer that would get Horvat or Larkin.

 

[Kocur Dill]

If you were really emulating the deal, it would be Larkin + 2nd for Chytil and a 7th

That was a Gorton thing. I'm not so sure Drury would hang the deal out to dry if the 7th wasn't attached. lol.

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

Nils, Kravy, Chytl, and our 1st among our other top prospects are actual top prospects in this league. We should not be using them to acquire a player who doesnt move the needle. These are the prospects that you use to go after the exact player you want and need. Karlsson will be had for a 1st with chytl and thats it.

 

[mas0764]

They need players on the back end that can actually push the puck up ice. It's been their biggest weakness all season and a big reason why there is this misconception that they need speedy forwards. It doesn't matter how fast your forwards are if your D can't get the puck onto a teammates stick cleanly out of their own end.

The problem here is that this is all coming. No sense in going out and overpaying for a veteran to do this when you have kids who will be able to do it, they just need time.

Take advantage of this conundrum by using this development window to continue to stockpile young forwards who will be able to play with those kids when they are ready.

 

[mas0764]

Nils, Kravy, Chytl, and our 1st among our other top prospects are actual top prospects in this league. We should not be using them to acquire a player who doesnt move the needle. These are the prospects that you use to go after the exact player you want and need. Karlsson will be had for a 1st with chytl and thats it.

Exactly...

That package should go for an elite center. I'm not even sure Chytil and a first is a smart move for us... Chytil could bring a better return in a different package for someone else better.

Some people get a couple bucks and it burns a hole in their pocket. Anything to make us more likely to win a game or two in the playoffs and they push every chip to the center. No patience.

 

[duhmetreE]

I don't understand the f***ing rush to give up four prime assets for William Karlsson.

Four assets like that should bring back an Eichel level target.

What 4 prime assets?

WE CANNOT AFFORD EICHEL LEVEL TARGETS

 

[mas0764]

I would agree, however Chychrun is locked in at a very nice number. So if they can make something happen there it might be a good idea.

The problem is acquiring Chychrun burns assets we need to acquire other PLAYERS we need, ie, another top center who isn't 29.

 

[mas0764]

What 4 prime assets?

Nils, Krav, Chytil and a first (or Jones) is a package that brings back an Eichel-level player.

 

[mas0764]

WE CANNOT AFFORD EICHEL LEVEL TARGETS

Then get a less than Eichel level target and pay way less than an Eichel level package. Giving up that package for Karlsson just so you can have a team retain is certifiably insane.

Or do what I said, which is ship out some of your own cap albatrosses first.

 

[duhmetreE]

Nils, Krav, Chytil and a first is a package that brings back an Eichel-level player.

All those players are replaceable from within.

I wouldn’t trade nor never mentioned trading a 1st

we. Cannot. Afford. Another. Superstar.

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

The problem here is that this is all coming. No sense in going out and overpaying for a veteran to do this when you have kids who will be able to do it, they just need time.

Take advantage of this conundrum by using this development window to continue to stockpile young forwards who will be able to play with those kids when they are ready.

Completely agree. I mean when you have Nemeth, Tinordi in its a problem. But with Nils and Jones and robertson and others coming up that can do everything, there is no rush to overpay for a defenseman like Gio. I know we want to insulate the kids but they played extremely well last night and i believe that they can continue to add a dimension to this team that we are missing right now. We just have to be patient.

 

[mas0764]

All those players are replaceable from within.

I wouldn’t trade nor never mentioned trading a 1st

we. Cannot. Afford. Another. Superstar.

We can once we ship out Kreider and Trouba, which is going to happen eventually.

And I'm not blowing through all my prospects before then just to get someone like 40 point William Karlsson.

All those players are not replaceable from within. You do that and you practically empty to cupboard of defensive prospects.

You need to tap the breaks. We do not need to win this season. Stop trying to overpay to win now. You are blowing the organizational depth we have spent years acquiring. Play this out organically and let the team get good by developing naturally.

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

What 4 prime assets?

WE CANNOT AFFORD EICHEL LEVEL TARGETS

Nils, Jones, Kravy, are prime assets. Jones and Nils did nothing to hurt their value. Kravy yes his value has went down but he is still producing and showing why he can be a great asset. Then Chytl is still only 22years old. All these guys are prime assets and shouldnt be just thrown away to the wind

 

[duhmetreE]

Then get a less than Eichel level target and pay way less than an Eichel level package. Giving up that package for Karlsson just so you can have a team retain is certifiably insane.

Or do what I said, which is ship out some of your own cap albatrosses first.

Chytil Kravtsov Is not an eichel package.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Jones played better than Hajek last night after he got faked out by Poiut.

Yes but Jones is 5'11" so he will sit.

 

[duhmetreE]

Nils, Jones, Kravy, are prime assets. Jones and Nils did nothing to hurt their value. Kravy yes his value has went down but he is still producing and showing why he can be a great asset. Then Chytl is still only 22years old. All these guys are prime assets and shouldnt be just thrown away to the wind

Potential alone doesn’t win games.

you’re under valuing Karlsson

 

[mas0764]

Chytil Kravtsov Is not an eichel package.

You had us shipping out Krav, Nils, Jones and Chytil to bring back Karlsson with retention.

No. Not ever. Horrible trade on our end.

And that 4 part-package is an Eichel package, in case you forgot what he was just acquired for.

 

[mas0764]

you’re under valuing Karlsson

I'm not.

He's yet another 20 goal, 50 point player. And he's 29.

Hard pass.

I don't want him at all. I sure as f*** am not giving up four prime pieces for him.