Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXI

[Pawnee Rangers]

Ranger fan on NHL Radio wanting to use K Miller as a throw-in in a Georgie trade. Wow.

Def not an @Ola caller lol

Such an odd fanbase.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Ranger fan on NHL Radio wanting to use K Miller as a throw-in in a Georgie trade. Wow.

Def not an @Ola caller lol

What did he want to get from that?

 

[mas0764]

Ranger fan on NHL Radio wanting to use K Miller as a throw-in in a Georgie trade. Wow.

Def not an @Ola caller lol

What's the prospective return?

 

[Thirty One]

Such an odd fanbase.

If natural selection was real, we would be extinct.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

If natural selection was real, we would be extinct.

Patience.

 

[Kocur Dill]

You're weakening the already biggest weakness of the team.

Which is?

To me it's Center. We get a better Center than Strome. Move Strome to the wing. And sub Chytil for Goodrow.

Juggle the wingers however you want. O don't have an issue with Keeping Strome as a RW who can fill I'm at C, and keep Panarin happy at the same time.

Everyone says we need a C, RW, and luxury want of LD.

Unless you are referring to a different weakness I don't see the downgrade in my theory.

 

[McRanger92]

Which is?

To me it's Center. We get a better Center than Strome. Move Strome to the wing. And sub Chytil for Goodrow.

Juggle the wingers however you want. O don't have an issue with Keeping Strome as a RW who can fill I'm at C, and keep Panarin happy at the same time.

Everyone says we need a C, RW, and luxury want of LD.

Unless you are referring to a different weakness I don't see the downgrade in my theory.

We dont need to upgrade on Strome. Hes been a great 2C all year. The guy we need to upgrade on is Chytil.

 

[Kocur Dill]

We dont need to upgrade on Strome. Hes been a great 2C all year. The guy we need to upgrade on is Chytil.

We have that player. Goodrow.
Or am I reading a different website with pages upon threads of multitudes of OP's mentioning Larkin, Horvat, and Karlsson because Strome is a black hole in the 2 zones facing his ass.

And disappears every playoff series we've played since we acquired him.

 

[CommaSynapse]

We dont need to upgrade on Strome. Hes been a great 2C all year. The guy we need to upgrade on is Chytil.

Chytil has the size, the skill, and the skating ability. He's just not reading the play well on a consistent basis and not getting to the right spots. He's like Gauthier in that you'll get these flashes, but it's just inconsistent. For a while, he was looking good with Gauthier and Laf, but he just had zero luck/finish.

He has played over 200 games but is only 22, so I'm still pulling for him, but you have to wonder if Drury sees the clock ticking on his potential and may value him as a trade chip.

Given our lack of centers and question marks around signing Strome, I have to think the organization would prefer to keep him, but to say this season has been disappointing for him thus far would be an understatement. I was hoping he would at least end up in the 30-40 point range. The underlying numbers last year seemed to suggest that he would be getting closer to a breakout, but instead, he seems to have regressed.

His face-off numbers have improved, though still below 50%. Corsi is just about bang-on 50%. He is also getting more offensive zone starts. PDO is a bit below 100. On paper, he should be producing more than he is.

On the other side, he has fewer hits, fewer blocked shots, and fewer takeaways. He is getting some PP time, but as he's on the second unit, it's usually when GG sends them out to finish up the last of it.

Chytil and the organization both need to decide which type of player he's going to be. If they want him to be an all-situations center, they need to do the same as they did with Kevin Hayes--drive that home, growing pains and all. He needs to become a bit more of a puck hound, use his reach, his size, and his skating ability, and he needs to still improve on his face-offs. He was touted as having a 2-way game in his draft year. We need to see that develop at the NHL level.

If they want him to be more of an offensive threat, they need to make some changes ,too. Either way, he doesn't have the same ability as Mika or Artemi for reading the play. If he's going to be an offensive player, he needs to use his size and speed and get in and win battles. He said his idol was Jagr, but he doesn't play that type of game.

 

[NYR Viper]

The Rangers are currently T-1 in the league. They are going to use the cap space to improve the team. Not to add a 3rd string goalie to sit on the taxi squad that, as of now, doesn't even exist after the All Star Break.

Why does this have to be an either/or thing? Why can't the team add assets by storing Koskinen and then also use assets to upgrade the roster? These things can both be done. The Rangers have ample cap space and having another goalie isn't exactly a bad thing.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

Which is?

To me it's Center. We get a better Center than Strome. Move Strome to the wing. And sub Chytil for Goodrow.

Juggle the wingers however you want. O don't have an issue with Keeping Strome as a RW who can fill I'm at C, and keep Panarin happy at the same time.

Everyone says we need a C, RW, and luxury want of LD.

Unless you are referring to a different weakness I don't see the downgrade in my theory.

It is center.

What center are you getting who's better than Strome? What are you giving up?

 

[Kocur Dill]

It is center.

What center are you getting who's better than Strome? What are you giving up?

I said a few pages back. Ideally Larkin, Horvat, to a lesser extent Karlsson.

I'd try to emulate the Zibanjad/Brassard deal

Chytil + 1st or 2nd or Lundqvist depending on which of those three Centers shook loose. Although if I'm moving lundqvist in the deal I'd try to get a top 150 pick back as well.

We have the cap this year. Make decisions over the summer to free cap when everyone is wheeling and dealing and evaluating or loosing out on UFA's.

 

[NYR Viper]

Where I stumble is the thought process of:

Strome (because you are going to lose him for nothing as a UFA)
Chytil
Lundkvist
1st

for

Larkin or Horvat

This is not a good trade. You have to account for the fact that you are losing Strome if you trade for these guys for nothing.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

I could see them moving Chytil to wing and Goodrow to center, if no moves are made, come playoff time.

 

[Ola]

I think that Strome very steadily have improved his play for us lately. Not just ‘putting it together’, he is much more explosive in this edge work and so forth.

For me it’s gone from being unthinkable to resign him to a point where I don’t think it’s the end of the world. At the same time, you basically never should resign players his age at the peak of their career.

Look at how Carolina handled the Dougie Hamilton situation. They had a great year and let one of their top players walk due to age and costs while replacing him with a reclamation project in TDA and Bear.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

I think that Strome very steadily have improved his play for us lately. Not just ‘putting it together’, he is much more explosive in this edge work and so forth.

For me it’s gone from being unthinkable to resign him to a point where I don’t think it’s the end of the world. At the same time, you basically never should resign players his age at the peak of their career.

Look at how Carolina handled the Dougie Hamilton situation. They had a great year and let one of their top players walk due to age and costs while replacing him with a reclamation project in TDA and Bear.

Strome's been good his entire time here.

 

[Ola]

Where I stumble is the thought process of:

Strome (because you are going to lose him for nothing as a UFA)
Chytil
Lundkvist
1st

for

Larkin or Horvat

This is not a good trade. You have to account for the fact that you are losing Strome if you trade for these guys for nothing.

Honestly, I can’t see how Larkin even is an option for us? Before Zib ink’ed, sure. But one year before UFA lol, if he comes here and have a strong season he is inking a 8-9m contract. We can’t even remotely afford that. Same with Bo Horvat.

We just cannot afford them.

 

[Ola]

Chytil acceleration is IMO not good enough to play wing. He takes too long to get going. Needs to be able to curve deep and comes from behind, JMHO.

 

[MrAlmost]

We have that player. Goodrow.
Or am I reading a different website with pages upon threads of multitudes of OP's mentioning Larkin, Horvat, and Karlsson because Strome is a black hole in the 2 zones facing his ass.

And disappears every playoff series we've played since we acquired him.

To be fair, that was only a play in series and the whole team didn't show up.

 

[KOVALEV022473]

We have that player. Goodrow.
Or am I reading a different website with pages upon threads of multitudes of OP's mentioning Larkin, Horvat, and Karlsson because Strome is a black hole in the 2 zones facing his ass.

And disappears every playoff series we've played since we acquired him.

Considering he’s played exactly zero playoff games for us, that’s saying something.

 

[SA16]

Why does this have to be an either/or thing? Why can't the team add assets by storing Koskinen and then also use assets to upgrade the roster? These things can both be done. The Rangers have ample cap space and having another goalie isn't exactly a bad thing.

There's a salary cap. It's always an either/or. And while they have cap space Koskinen would take up a large chunk of it as he is expensive. They're going to take themselves out of the running for someone expensive like Giroux and then some (who I don't believe the Flyers would trade here anyway) so they can add a mid round pick and a goalie to watch every game?

 

[mas0764]

If we are re-signing Strome then the next move is not for a Larkin, it's for a Lundell or a Lambert.

 

[NYR Viper]

There's a salary cap. It's always an either/or. And while they have cap space Koskinen would take up a large chunk of it as he is expensive. They're going to take themselves out of the running for someone expensive like Giroux and then some (who I don't believe the Flyers would trade here anyway) so they can add a mid round pick and a goalie to watch every game?

Per cap friendly, the Rangers have ~$28m in cap space at the deadline. It's not an either/or thing.

 

[rangersfansince08]

Hertl, Larkin or Horvat would be great if we can somehow resign the which I don't think we can.

 

[bigdog16]

We have that player. Goodrow.
Or am I reading a different website with pages upon threads of multitudes of OP's mentioning Larkin, Horvat, and Karlsson because Strome is a black hole in the 2 zones facing his ass.

And disappears every playoff series we've played since we acquired him.

Larkin and Horvat would require an overpay. Strome is better than Karlsson, not sure the point of acquiring him would be.

According to the stats Strome is actually one of the top defensive centers in the entire league this year. I believe Herman posted that on twitter with some evidence this morning.

I said a few pages back. Ideally Larkin, Horvat, to a lesser extent Karlsson.

I'd try to emulate the Zibanjad/Brassard deal

Chytil + 1st or 2nd or Lundqvist depending on which of those three Centers shook loose. Although if I'm moving lundqvist in the deal I'd try to get a top 150 pick back as well.

We have the cap this year. Make decisions over the summer to free cap when everyone is wheeling and dealing and evaluating or loosing out on UFA's.

Chytil or Lundqvist + a 1st doesn't even get you close to a Larkin or Horvat.

Chytil is a struggling 22-year-old 3rd liner whose value is the lowest its ever been right now. And Lundkvist, although I still believe in him, is certainly not living up to standards, he's been pretty mediocre. Neither of them, no matter the draft picks attached to them, gets you a young captain of a franchise.