Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXI

[Pawnee Rangers]

Jones is a LHD that can play the Right Side

Ah my bad, well that's good for Jones then because there's definitely no long term spot for him on the right side.

 

[bhamill]

No, I'm repeating what Edge reported.

Nope, all Edge reported is that that deal was offered at one point, and didn't say exactly when or say that that was all there was to the deal. Also didn't say if NYR turned it down or LAK pulled it. You are making assumptions and want them accepted as fact. I do not accept them as fact, but sure your speculations are POSSIBLE, as are other people's.

 

[IronBloodedLion]

I look at the Kings as a trade partner for a young center. They seem to have a log jam at the position.

 

[McRanger92]

Or just keep both and move Nemeth. Jones can play the left side and Nils has excellent puck moving ability too.

Id be fine with that too, i just think somethings gotta give with the young defenseman eventually

 

[CLW]

Hajek has proven to be a competent 3rd pairing d-man. He has been much more decisive and is using his skating to make plays which is great to see. If he can become even a 3rd pairing d-man that's a nice surprise. This is another example of a player just taking some time to make the jump to the NHL.

In saying all of that, Chytil, to me, is not a NHL center. His game needs to be simplified and he needs to play wing. Goodrow is MUCH better at center and this team needs a 3C. Seems like a natural fit there.

And where was Goodrow when he was 22? The reason I often point at a player's age is that the NHL game takes time to learn. Regardless of talent level the X and O part simply has to be played to integrate beyond an intellectual level. Look at Laf, Kakko and Miller who are still clearly learning the ropes at the tactical level, as is Chytil. Chytil has been disappointing so far this season, but that doesn't mean he won't be a good player down the line.

 

[mas0764]

Nope, all Edge reported is that that deal was offered at one point, and didn't say exactly when or say that that was all there was to the deal. Also didn't say if NYR turned it down or LAK pulled it. You are making assumptions and want them accepted as fact. I do not accept them as fact, but sure your speculations are POSSIBLE, as are other people's.

Ok. I mean, maybe that deal was offered two years ago too, but that just doesn't really follow logically, but ok.

 

[Kocur Dill]

Interesting though.

Panarin-Zibanejad-Strome
Lafreniere-?-Kakko
Kreider-Goodrow-Gautier

In all the brains storming around here, I'm not sure I've read anyone suggest Z centering Panarin and Strome.

Kreider and Goat are fast enough to offset Goodrow's footspeed and he is 3 zone sound enough to cover for them both to be rushing puck hounds on the walls and deep, and follow up for rebounds and deflections.

Solves our center and RW problem with one move and possibly less assets, or allocate better assets and land a more high end Center

 

[bhamill]

Ok. I mean, maybe that deal was offered two years ago too, but that just doesn't really follow logically, but ok.

I mean no one is claiming it was offered two years ago, just that there's no evidence backing up your assumptions, but sure... I mean any time a month or so prior to the TDL right through the trade at the end of June makes good logical sense though...
The only point here is you can't expect people to just accept your speculation, any more than you accept theirs, no matter how "sure" you are. But if it makes you feel any better, I agree if that trade stated straight up as is was offered, I'd have taken it, even not being high on Kupari, even if the 1st was in '22 or (especially) '23. So we do agree on some of it!

 

[effen]

Kreider's main value is by far his PP production which I've argued he should keep.

Bold stance.

 

[SA16]

A guy who may look good on this team for this season would be someone like Vinnie Hinostroza. He plays a quick, elusive game. He isn't overly large but he is a waterbug type who I think would fit in well on that 3rd line. He's a UFA at years end playing in Buffalo. 15 points in 31 games this season playing ~14 minutes a night. He plays either wing.

Switching topics, if Edmonton is looking to solve their goalie issues but can't find the cap space, I'm still open to taking on Koskinen along with a mid-round pick to open up cap space for them. Use that mid-round pick in the off-season as currency. The Rangers have A TON of cap space. Say EDM 3rd '23 + EDM 5th '22 + Koskinen for Reunanen. Add Koskinen to the taxi squad.

The Rangers are currently T-1 in the league. They are going to use the cap space to improve the team. Not to add a 3rd string goalie to sit on the taxi squad that, as of now, doesn't even exist after the All Star Break.

 

[effen]

My suggested route is to move Kreider to 3LW, which is absolutely not sacrificing either him or the team's success. I think it's the best all around solution for everyone.

You can do that in several years. I can't think of a way to better piss off the entire team than to demote a beloved perennial top line guy having his best season ever to the third line.

 

[rangers1314]

Looks like they are headed to Vegas today.

 

[tomobson]

When Panarin comes back I hope they give Laf a look on the RW of that line. I've been wanting Panarin with Mika for a long time now but it's clear GG isn't into big line changes so for better or worse these lines aren't going to change much from game to game. Goodrow is riding a high right now but he's not a sustainable 2nd line player. You take the fact that he has been able to step up and you get him on the third line once Panarin is back. I don't want another Dryden Hunt issue happening on that RW. Like most skilled kids Laf is a better player with more minutes and we need him on the 2nd line.

The third line gets too much hate around here. I think they've been greater than the sum of their parts for the majority of this season but it's time to get Goodrow back on the third line in any capacity. If your third line is going to get this little TOI then you need more veterans on it. Kids are going to struggle in that environment and to makes things worse they stuck three kids together in that situation. That's Quinn level of failure and if GG isn't willing to fix it then Drury needs to step in and make something happen. I'm fine with experimenting but it's gone too far in this instance.

 

[Thirty One]

The Rangers are currently T-1 in the league. They are going to use the cap space to improve the team. Not to add a 3rd string goalie to sit on the taxi squad that, as of now, doesn't even exist after the All Star Break.

I'm betting the deadline passes without them using all their cap space. Taxi squad may not be an ongoing thing, but there is always going to be a place to store a 3rd goalie. After the deadline there are no roster limits, so that makes it easier too.

 

[effen]

Kreider will play with Chytil at some point because in a hockey season lines go in the blender due to ebbs to flows and injuries. There's no reason to move him *now* when Zibs is finally taking off and Kreider is still crushing.

 

[RGY]

Can we send Georgiev to EDM for a nice return? We should be selling high here. He is still young and cheap. He wants to play consistently. You can hear it in his response last night. He still sneaks in his jab at the Coaching staff about finally getting more playing time even though Igor is better. Sell high.

Then trade for MAF to be the 1B to Igor. MAF has a NTC. I doubt he would be willing to go to EDM. He played most of his career in PIT. Is his Wife’s family from there? NY is closer. Probably would not cost much in assets. Your hope is you get maybe a 2nd round pick for Georgiev and then you acquire MAF for a 4th round pick.

Acquire MAF, Reilly Smith, and a Center and go to war. Maybe a depth D.

Edit: MAF’s Wife is from MTL. So still closer than being traded anywhere west of Chicago. Unless its a team like Colorado that he would waive for.

 

[mas0764]

I can't think of a way to better piss off the entire team than to demote a beloved perennial top line guy having his best season ever to the third line.

I just don't buy this, no offense. I don't buy that the team is going to get pissed because Lafreniere plays with Strome and Kreider plays with Chytil.

This idea of hierarchy is so outdated. These are professional, modern athletes. They've been watching ESPN for the past two decades, ie, their entire lives. They don't all subscribe to this outdated "pay yours dues and shut up," view of sports that the fans over 40 years old do. Kreider was rewarded with a lifetime contract, he's safe, he doesn't need to put up a career year to get paid. He should accept what is best for the team.

Also, it's not a demotion. He remains on the top PP and his minutes do not get drastically cut. He's being assigned a different role, not a lesser one.

 

[duhmetreE]

IMO the question is do we use the assets we have to go for a cup or two.

Or are we looking for 'fair value' and a 'slow burn'....

If last offseason is any indication, we're going to be over paying for missing pieces. Over pay for the retention of good players.

I know it's hard to fathom but we're as good as any team currently in contention. Even more so if/when we solidify our weaknesses.

 

[mas0764]

IMO the question is do we use the assets we have to go for a cup or two.

Or are we looking for 'fair value' and a 'slow burn'....

If last offseason is any indication, we're going to be over paying for missing pieces. Over pay for the retention of good players.

I know it's hard to fathom but we're as good as any team currently in contention. Even more so if/when we solidify our weaknesses.

This team has a long window and shouldn't sacrifice it all to win now. The increased odds of winning in a given year are not improved enough. Look no further than teams like the Islanders the past few deadlines. If you could guarantee me a Cup by trading Lundkvist, fine, but that's not what you are doing. You are still rolling your dice and this team is still a longshot to win as is any team that is not like last year's Lightning team. The bottom line is that "going for it," isn't as safe a bet as long term competition.

Add in the fact that this is basically the first year of contention and there's just no reason to get antsy.

If anything all the win-now moves we already made that aren't really the drivers behind our success should tell us to double down on the kids like Shesterkin and Fox.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

Interesting though.

Panarin-Zibanejad-Strome
Lafreniere-?-Kakko
Kreider-Goodrow-Gautier

You're weakening the already biggest weakness of the team.

 

[mas0764]

Kreider will play with Chytil at some point because in a hockey season lines go in the blender due to ebbs to flows and injuries. There's no reason to move him *now* when Zibs is finally taking off and Kreider is still crushing.

The reason would be that you suspect even better performance from everyone else with the line changes.

 

[Avery16]

This place is like groundhog’s day with the same exact conversations happening on a loop. Sheesh.

All without Andie MacDowell, no less.

 

[bhamill]

This team has a long window and shouldn't sacrifice it all to win now. The increased odds of winning in a given year are not improved enough. Look no further than teams like the Islanders the past few deadlines. If you could guarantee me a Cup by trading Lundkvist, fine, but that's not what you are doing. You are still rolling your dice and this team is still a longshot to win as is any team that is not like last year's Lightning team. The bottom line is that "going for it," isn't as safe a bet as long term competition.

Add in the fact that this is basically the first year of contention and there's just no reason to get antsy.

If anything all the win-now moves we already made that aren't really the drivers behind our success should tell us to double down on the kids like Shesterkin and Fox.

Yeah. I'm definitely in this school of thought. I don't think one or two short term pieces get the Cup this year or next. But I'm 100% for "overpaying" for a piece that puts us thatclose long term.

 

[mas0764]

Yeah. I'm definitely in this school of thought. I don't think one or two short term pieces get the Cup this year or next. But I'm 100% for "overpaying" for a piece that puts us thatclose long term.

I'll package four premier pieces to get an Eichel type in here. Is some other rebuilding team looking to accelerate? I'll trade multiple grade A wing/defense prospects for one grade A center prospect.

But I'm not emptying the cabinet for a piece that walks in 4 months.

 

[Daves a mess]

Ranger fan on NHL Radio wanting to use K Miller as a throw-in in a Georgie trade. Wow.

Def not an @Ola caller lol