Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXI

[mas0764]

I think the Rangers will be semi-buyers this Deadline and I think they're going to use Chytil and either Zac Jones or Nils Lundkivst to get a 2C or a top-6 RW, which I'm fine with.

As long as it's someone with a long term future here.

 

[McRanger92]

I think the Rangers will be semi-buyers this Deadline and I think they're going to use Chytil and either Zac Jones or Nils Lundkivst to get a 2C or a top-6 RW, which I'm fine with.

They should be big-time buyers. All the cap space in the world, ascending team with as much star power as any team in the league. Get Pavelski from Dallas when they admit its over for them, theyll need an experienced defenseman for the playoffs despite the positive strides from the young D. Wouldnt mind another depth forward who can PK either.

This is not their only chance to win a Cup, but it may be their best. The experience of going deep early in this window can be a springboard for the team to be a true contender for years. Go big or go home.

 

[mas0764]

We'd be in a much better position if we actually received decent value for Pavel Buchnevich. You know, the top-6 F who produces at a point per game? The guy we traded for a bottom-6 player and a f***ing second rounder?

But I'm beating a dead horse here. We'll just have to find that legit RW and 2C elsewhere...by giving up one or two of our prized prospects.

Shhh! Not allowed to talk about this! Everything is fine here!

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

That's nice, at least we'll have something to keep talking about then.



No, but we can coddle the 30 year old instead of asking him to play the right side, makes sense.

Homers and their favorite players.

No one is coddling him. He's playing his position better and at a higher level than your precious 1OA pick. Laff doesn't deserve to be in his spot yet. Has nothing to do with being a homer, I want the team to succeed, your clown ass doesn't and would rather sacrifice the team's success in favor of one player.

 

[mas0764]

It's becoming comical at this point. Guy is 4th! in the league in goals and team is 1st in the league and people want to mess with stuff so one player can boost his stats and feel better about himself.

No one is saying to take Kreider off the power play where he's scoring all his goals.

 

[duhmetreE]

I'm not "criminally underrating," him. He's being discussed in relation to Artemi Panarin, who he simply is not as good at, period, and a first overall pick who a) has more natural talent than him, b) needs a change of scenery from the line he's on, and c) has just as many even strength goals as said "criminally underrated," player.

I'm not saying Chris Kreider is a "third line player," which I feel like is part of the ingrained pushback - "HOW DARE YOU SUGGEST KREIDER ISN'T A FIRST LINE WINGER!!!"

Yes Kreider does more than just score goals, but if anything he's being slightly overrated in terms of the impact he's making outside of scoring. Again, that line he's on is not some dynamo of 5v5 hockey, so he's not really "tilting the ice," that much. Kreider is, generally throughout his career, a quality second line player who is not so great on the first line and who would be excellent on the third line seeing easier matchups.

He's a fine player but he's not someone who it should be off-limits to move down when his competition for ice time is, again, Artemi Panarin and a first overall pick who is matching his 5v5 goal production (despite the 1OA getting lesser minutes).

And again, I'm not saying he needs a demotion because he's not playing well or anything. I'm saying for the good of the team to get the best four lines rolling, it's probably better to have a different arrangement.

I think swapping Panarin to the first line, Laf to the second, and Kreider to the third instantly improves the first and third lines, and while the second falls off cause it subtracts Panarin, it could spark Lafreniere which more than offsets it (in conjunction with the improvements to the first and third lines).

You get your top6 players in the top6. Kreider is a part of that. Gallant had him at RW to start the season, it's the obvious choice to bring that top6 back. Laffy struggled to start... Or move Laffy to RW to play with Strome and Panarin.

If there's one move that needs to happen right now is take Chytil off of 3C. That line has been dead weight. Put Barron and Goodrow together to play a simple yet heavy game.

 

[duhmetreE]

No one is saying to take Kreider off the power play where he's scoring all his goals.

Panarin, Kreider and Laffy lead the team in Even-Strength goals?

 

[mas0764]

No one is coddling him.

No one is coddling Lafreniere either then.

He's playing his position better and at a higher level than your precious 1OA pick. Laff doesn't deserve to be in his spot yet. Has nothing to do with being a homer, I want the team to succeed, your clown ass doesn't and would rather sacrifice the team's success in favor of one player.

I'm making the exact same argument - the team is better with these lines:

Panarin - Zibanejad - Kakko
Lafreniere - Strome - Goodrow
Kreider - Chytil - Gauthier
Hunt - Rooney - Reaves

Next time try saying "I disagree," and then explaining why, instead of stupid arguments like I'm "coddling," Lafreniere.

Or should I just accuse your "clown ass," of sacrificing the team's success to protect your boyfriend Chris Kreider's ice time?

This isn't NHL 22. You don't just line up the highest rated players 1-through-4 down the depth chart.

I'm not claiming Lafreniere is a better all-around player than Kreider at this second. I'm saying these lines are better for the team and as a bonus, Strome can get Lafreniere rolling which IS an objective for this franchise. Like it or not, it's not all about this season.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

No one is saying to take Kreider off the power play where he's scoring all his goals.

He's tied for the most even strength goals on the team.

 

[mas0764]

Panarin, Kreider and Laffy lead the team in Even-Strength goals?

Exactly my point. Lafreniere is equaling Kreider's 5v5 goal output. It's not like Lafreniere doesn't deserve a chance.

 

[mas0764]

He's tied for the most even strength goals on the team.

.... with Lafreniere.

I'm not saying to bench Kreider for Hunt.

 

[leetch99]

I think the Rangers will be semi-buyers this Deadline and I think they're going to use Chytil and either Zac Jones or Nils Lundkivst to get a 2C or a top-6 RW, which I'm fine with.

I think Jones will be a Ranger for a few years . He speeds up play and is a good passer we have lacked since Tony left town .

 

[JimmyG89]

It's funny that it's never brought up but he's soft.

KAM gets so much shit for not being physical but not a peep about Chytil

I think the first time I saw Chytil make a check was last night in the 2nd period in his own zone. First time he took someone into the boards to try and displace the puck from them.

This is probably the biggest thing holding him back. He has size, he has speed, but he does not have the mentality to use his size offensively or defensively. The question will be can the team continue to wait for that to happen for him. Still a very young player, but lots of experience in the NHL.

He is also one of the few players not on an ELC that could be moved. 2.3M for someone putting up 7 points in 30 games is not going to work. Not with this roster construction. If they have a player on that kind of a deal, they are going to need them to overproduce it, Chytil has been the biggest disappointment this season so far. He was scratched and it still didn't seem to help.

With their limited cap space for next season, Chytil might just be moved to create a little extra space. Same for someone like Nemeth.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

No one is coddling Lafreniere either then.



I'm making the exact same argument - the team is better with these lines:

Panarin - Zibanejad - Kakko
Lafreniere - Strome - Goodrow
Kreider - Chytil - Gauthier
Hunt - Rooney - Reaves

Next time try saying "I disagree," and then explaining why, instead of stupid arguments like I'm "coddling," Lafreniere.

Or should I just accuse your "clown ass," of sacrificing the team's success to protect your boyfriend Chris Kreider's ice time?

This isn't NHL 22. You don't just line up the highest rated players 1-through-4 down the depth chart.

I'm not claiming Lafreniere is a better all-around player than Kreider at this second. I'm saying these lines are better for the team and as a bonus, Strome can get Lafreniere rolling which IS an objective for this franchise. Like it or not, it's not all about this season.

How do you know the team is better? You know what's best for this team? Wins. There's no proof your lineup will produce more of them.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Kreider should play with Chytil for the sole reason that the combo has worked really well every time it has been put together.

If it works again, you have 3 strong lines.

What the hell is the issue here?

 

[mas0764]

You get your top6 players in the top6.

Why? You play four lines last time I checked.

Kreider is a part of that. Gallant had him at RW to start the season, it's the obvious choice to bring that top6 back. Laffy struggled to start... Or move Laffy to RW to play with Strome and Panarin.

I'm perfectly fine moving Kreider to RW. I happen to think the lines shake out better as I've been suggesting though -

Panarin - Zibanejad - Kakko
Lafreniere - Strome - Goodrow
Kreider - Chytil - Gauthier

If you move Kreider to RW in the top 6, and Goodrow to the third line, that line might become even more stagnant.

If there's one move that needs to happen right now is take Chytil off of 3C. That line has been dead weight. Put Barron and Goodrow together to play a simple yet heavy game.

I'd actually be interested in seeing this maybe, too:

Panarin - Zibanejad - Kakko
Lafreniere - Strome - Chytil
Kreider - Goodrow - Gauthier

You have one all-star line - P/Z/K is a possession, scoring, and defense competent monster line. It would be better than our current first line, period.

Strome has shown hints of chemistry with Lafreniere. If he can get that line rolling, get Chytil and Lafreniere to start producing, this is a huge boost to us, as right now Lafreniere (well, before last night) and Chytil are not adding enough. Strome also solidifies his role here if he can prove to be an instant slump buster.

You then have a nice third line that has defense and speed. I would like this arrangement better if it had a passer/set up man on it, though.

 

[NYR Viper]

A guy who may look good on this team for this season would be someone like Vinnie Hinostroza. He plays a quick, elusive game. He isn't overly large but he is a waterbug type who I think would fit in well on that 3rd line. He's a UFA at years end playing in Buffalo. 15 points in 31 games this season playing ~14 minutes a night. He plays either wing.

Switching topics, if Edmonton is looking to solve their goalie issues but can't find the cap space, I'm still open to taking on Koskinen along with a mid-round pick to open up cap space for them. Use that mid-round pick in the off-season as currency. The Rangers have A TON of cap space. Say EDM 3rd '23 + EDM 5th '22 + Koskinen for Reunanen. Add Koskinen to the taxi squad.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

.... with Lafreniere.

I'm not saying to bench Kreider for Hunt.

Then tell your boy he better learn how to play RW. I will say it again, there is no coach in this league who would move Kreider down to the 3rd line at this moment in time with the season he's having.

 

[mas0764]

Vegas needs to make trades in order to get Eichel in the lineup, so they will be breaking up part of that team to make that happen anyway. I think we all know Reilly Smith is going to be a Ranger at some point this season as he ticks numerous management boxes - RW need, former Gallant Player, UFA Rental.

This is the move that makes sense. Not too expensive to acquire, solidifies the wing spot till the end of the year, you don't mind losing him in free agency afterwards.

 

[duhmetreE]

Exactly my point. Lafreniere is equaling Kreider's 5v5 goal output. It's not like Lafreniere doesn't deserve a chance.

I dont know what your point is. We have bottom6 players in the top6. You take those guys out before you even think of moving Kreider

 

[mas0764]

Kreider should play with Chytil for the sole reason that the combo has worked really well every time it has been put together.

If it works again, you have 3 strong lines.

What the hell is the issue here?

A certain someone has Chris Kreider's poster on their wall and is insulted that he is not recognized as a first line staple permanently.

But yeah, exactly my point, well said. What's the issue here? Kreider can feast on third line matchups and still produce on the PP exactly as he is now. You create a first line super-line with Panarin and Zibanejad. Strome gets to heat up Lafreniere making us that much deeper and better.

It's no lose, except for those of us in the Chris Kreider fan club.

 

[mas0764]

I dont know what your point is. We have bottom6 players in the top6. You take those guys out before you even think of moving Kreider

Yeah, again, I don't understand why this is? We played Fast in the top 6 for eons.

If Kreider wants to move to RW, fine, I'm ok with this solution, but if not, I think the lines are better arranged with him next to Chytil, and Lafreniere with Strome. I think Kreider to RW leaves the third line an offensive black hole if it's Goodrow-Chytil-Gauthier. Goodrow isn't capable of heating up Chytil and Gauthier like Kreider might be. Kreider has chemistry with Chytil.

 

[mas0764]

How do you know the team is better? You know what's best for this team? Wins. There's no proof your lineup will produce more of them.

There's no proof that it's not better either, we are doing something called DEBATING A HYPOTHETICAL.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

This is the move that makes sense. Not too expensive to acquire, solidifies the wing spot till the end of the year, you don't mind losing him in free agency afterwards.

Yup, I expect this coming sometime next month or whenever Eichel is ready. Don't break the bank on him but Vegas needs to shed a ton of money so they will be desperate to trade him at his full cap which the Rangers can easily take even now and especially at the deadline with their space.

 

[Mac n Gs]

This place is like groundhog’s day with the same exact conversations happening on a loop. Sheesh.