Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXI

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his time is all but up as a ranger. I wish him well and he still has. Potential but he may need a trade just to benefit his career himself. For whatever reason, he can’t put it together consistently here. Anyone arguing otherwise is just blind loyalty at this point.
Not that everything he does is bad, or that he hasn’t made strides in some areas. But overall his progress he is stalled.
He might need to be traded as a wake up call or kick in the ass for him.
As far as NYR, he’s just not a good 3C for this system.
I hope he lands on a team that will give him a larger role and deal with some of the mistakes he’ll make if he ever takes the next step in his progression.
He’s just not going to get the minutes, responsibility, or line mates in terms of him being successful long term.

I thought him being scratched would help, but he has been below average to bad since then. Hes going to be a cap casualty either way, so I personally dont think him being included in a deal for a top end rental is out of the realm of possibility
 
If I state that K'Andre Miller is a top 3 talent drafted by this franchise -- ever -- after only Leetch and Hank, would anyone disagree?
 
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I think the Rangers will be semi-buyers this Deadline and I think they're going to use Chytil and either Zac Jones or Nils Lundkivst to get a 2C or a top-6 RW, which I'm fine with.
 
If I state that K'Andre Miller is a top 3 talent drafted by this franchise -- ever -- after only Leetch and Hank, would anyone disagree?

yes, kovalov, zubov, beezer, weight, amonte, richter are all clearly superior. And its not even close.

u can even argue savard, staal and callahan.

not saying miller wont be in top 5, but no not at all.

and we still have laff and kakko who if they break out have more skills let alone Shesty who already is an allstar and might be the second best ranger goalie of all time if he continues this pace.

so short answer. Hell no he isnt
 
Hajek has proven to be a competent 3rd pairing d-man. He has been much more decisive and is using his skating to make plays which is great to see. If he can become even a 3rd pairing d-man that's a nice surprise. This is another example of a player just taking some time to make the jump to the NHL.

In saying all of that, Chytil, to me, is not a NHL center. His game needs to be simplified and he needs to play wing. Goodrow is MUCH better at center and this team needs a 3C. Seems like a natural fit there.
 
I think the Rangers will be semi-buyers this Deadline and I think they're going to use Chytil and either Zac Jones or Nils Lundkivst to get a 2C or a top-6 RW, which I'm fine with.

I am all for improving the team now by giving up valuable picks and prospects -- if, and only if -- its player with at least 2-3 years left on their contract after this year and with serious money retained by their team. Any addition by taking on a player that is not on a great contract will immediately become a subtraction/lateral move by next season, and getting rentals for a PO run just don't work in this league.

But if a team is tearing it apart and got a valuable forward making 4-5m per for 2-3 more years, and we can get that forward @50% per -- then its a different thing. I mentioned Victor Arvidsson. 4.25m per for two more years, at 50% that is just 2.1m per. Can play either side and on line from 1 to 4 and provides tremendous energy and speed on every shift. Boone Jenner is another. I would see him as a PF winger, but it is valuable that he is top 10 in the league on Face-Offs. 4 years left at 3.75m per. At 50% that is just 1.8m per. We have an abundance of prospects and picks. I wouldn't give up that for a rental. But what we really need is players that is a good bang for the buck simply put.

This is not including getting like a forward for a 3rd round pick/spare prospect or a depth D.
 
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We'd be in a much better position if we actually received decent value for Pavel Buchnevich. You know, the top-6 F who produces at a point per game? The guy we traded for a bottom-6 player and a f***ing second rounder?

But I'm beating a dead horse here. We'll just have to find that legit RW and 2C elsewhere...by giving up one or two of our prized prospects.
 
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Hajek has proven to be a competent 3rd pairing d-man. He has been much more decisive and is using his skating to make plays which is great to see. If he can become even a 3rd pairing d-man that's a nice surprise. This is another example of a player just taking some time to make the jump to the NHL.

In saying all of that, Chytil, to me, is not a NHL center. His game needs to be simplified and he needs to play wing. Goodrow is MUCH better at center and this team needs a 3C. Seems like a natural fit there.

Among defenseman with 100+ mins:

CF%: 234/234
xGF%: 234/234
CF60: 234/234
xGA60: 234/234
xGF60: 232/234

Hard to call a guy who is literally dead last in the league in those four categories a competent 3rd pairing d-man. Having bad stats in a small sample is totally fine. That's why it's a small sample. Being the absolute worst in every single one is a different story. If you prefer to use relative stats his stats are still terrible.
 
Which teams need a goaltender and a left defenseman? Would love to package Hajek and Georgiev for a decent, ideally young, depth forward with upside - think Sammy Blais - and a pick.

Deal with Oilers for Holloway . Send them Georgiev and + Gauthier ? for Mike Smith and Holloway . Oilers need a goalie ....we take Smith back and his money for next year at 2.2 which will be paid to Georgiev ....goalie puzzle solved for them !!! Might save the team a new GM and coach.....and I think he is a a good coach but has bad net work . It is a viable hockey trade for two teams . Don't be shocked when they announce it . It's likely a trade that has been talked about here already ....as has almost EVERY other possible deal LOL....
 
yeah you're criminally under rating Kreider. He's been winning every single puck battle. getting to all the loose pucks and setting up a lot of high danger chances..

His usefulness can't be determined just on stats. He tilts the ice for the team and does a lot of the grunt work

It's becoming comical at this point. Guy is 4th! in the league in goals and team is 1st in the league and people want to mess with stuff so one player can boost his stats and feel better about himself.
 
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What about taking a flier on someone like Dimitry Jaskin from Arizona? He has struggled there with his offense and he is injured right now, but perhaps as a big-bodied RW he finds some chemistry and plugs a hole? He has a $3.2m cap hit so perhaps Arizona would be looking to shed the contract for now and trades him for someone like Reunanen?
 
Joe and Sam certainly blowing Strome doll up last night...the glue in the room ! They were laying it on pretty thick. If they do resign him....they better not have a bunch of restrictions with a deal. The Rangers gonna do what they do...

I notices that too. Pumping those tires.
 
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Among defenseman with 100+ mins:

CF%: 234/234
xGF%: 234/234
CF60: 234/234
xGA60: 234/234
xGF60: 232/234

Hard to call a guy who is literally dead last in the league in those four categories a competent 3rd pairing d-man. Having bad stats in a small sample is totally fine. That's why it's a small sample. Being the absolute worst in every single one is a different story. If you prefer to use relative stats his stats are still terrible.

He was comically bad against Florida, but he has been solid and passing the eye test the last 3 games. Pulling for the kid to continue to improve, the hate he gets on NYR Twitter is legitimately crazy
 
Reilly Smith makes too much sense if Vegas is dangling him. Unfortunately they’re playing well.

Jarnkrok is another solid add at the TDL.

Pavelski would be a dream.
 
Reilly Smith makes too much sense if Vegas is dangling him. Unfortunately they’re playing well.

Jarnkrok is another solid add at the TDL.

Pavelski would be a dream.
Vegas needs to make trades in order to get Eichel in the lineup, so they will be breaking up part of that team to make that happen anyway. I think we all know Reilly Smith is going to be a Ranger at some point this season as he ticks numerous management boxes - RW need, former Gallant Player, UFA Rental.
 
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Another non agressive winger...pass ! Those guys can't compete in the 16 game race for the Cup . Keep that wing spot open for Blais . Don't go to sleep on Blais just yet folks .
It's funny that it's never brought up but he's soft.

KAM gets so much shit for not being physical but not a peep about Chytil
 
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yeah you're criminally under rating Kreider. He's been winning every single puck battle. getting to all the loose pucks and setting up a lot of high danger chances..

His usefulness can't be determined just on stats. He tilts the ice for the team and does a lot of the grunt work

I'm not "criminally underrating," him. He's being discussed in relation to Artemi Panarin, who he simply is not as good at, period, and a first overall pick who a) has more natural talent than him, b) needs a change of scenery from the line he's on, and c) has just as many even strength goals as said "criminally underrated," player.

I'm not saying Chris Kreider is a "third line player," which I feel like is part of the ingrained pushback - "HOW DARE YOU SUGGEST KREIDER ISN'T A FIRST LINE WINGER!!!"

Yes Kreider does more than just score goals, but if anything he's being slightly overrated in terms of the impact he's making outside of scoring. Again, that line he's on is not some dynamo of 5v5 hockey, so he's not really "tilting the ice," that much. Kreider is, generally throughout his career, a quality second line player who is not so great on the first line and who would be excellent on the third line seeing easier matchups.

He's a fine player but he's not someone who it should be off-limits to move down when his competition for ice time is, again, Artemi Panarin and a first overall pick who is matching his 5v5 goal production (despite the 1OA getting lesser minutes).

And again, I'm not saying he needs a demotion because he's not playing well or anything. I'm saying for the good of the team to get the best four lines rolling, it's probably better to have a different arrangement.

I think swapping Panarin to the first line, Laf to the second, and Kreider to the third instantly improves the first and third lines, and while the second falls off cause it subtracts Panarin, it could spark Lafreniere which more than offsets it (in conjunction with the improvements to the first and third lines).
 
He'll ask for it and get it and the ten team no trade-list is the "lesser NTC" that I'd be hopeful for. He's bounced around a bit so I'm fairly certain it'll be a must have for him and his agent. We'll see where it ends up.

I would hope the Rangers can put themselves in a position where the negotiation involves the Rangers saying "We will give you the ten team no trade list in exchange for a salary drop" instead of Strome getting high salary AND a full NMC.
 
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I'm not "criminally underrating," him. He's being discussed in relation to Artemi Panarin, who he simply is not as good at, period, and a first overall pick who a) has more natural talent than him, b) needs a change of scenery from the line he's on, and c) has just as many even strength goals as said "criminally underrated," player.

I'm not saying Chris Kreider is a "third line player," which I feel like is part of the ingrained pushback - "HOW DARE YOU SUGGEST KREIDER ISN'T A FIRST LINE WINGER!!!"

Yes Kreider does more than just score goals, but if anything he's being slightly overrated in terms of the impact he's making outside of scoring. Again, that line he's on is not some dynamo of 5v5 hockey, so he's not really "tilting the ice," that much. Kreider is, generally throughout his career, a quality second line player who is not so great on the first line and who would be excellent on the third line seeing easier matchups.

He's a fine player but he's not someone who it should be off-limits to move down when his competition for ice time is, again, Artemi Panarin and a first overall pick who is matching his 5v5 goal production (despite the 1OA getting lesser minutes).

And again, I'm not saying he needs a demotion because he's not playing well or anything. I'm saying for the good of the team to get the best four lines rolling, it's probably better to have a different arrangement.

I think swapping Panarin to the first line, Laf to the second, and Kreider to the third instantly improves the first and third lines, and while the second falls off cause it subtracts Panarin, it could spark Lafreniere which more than offsets it (in conjunction with the improvements to the first and third lines).

They aren't separating Kreider and Zib or Panarin and Strome, no matter how many times you repeat it in every damn thread. The team is in first place, no coach is going too break up these guys. That's the kind of thing you do when the team/players are struggling, not first in the league. If Laff wants to play in the top 6 this season, he needs to learn how to play on the right side, it's really that simple. Shouldn't be too hard for a "first overall pick who has more natural talent" than a guy 4t in league in goals. This is a team game. Now is not the time to coddle Laff, it's about finishing as high in the standings as possible.
 
IF they re-sign Strome... I'd still look to LAK... I still believe Turcotte can be a Center and play the young Cirelli role to start.

Re-signing Strome doesn't do a thing to change the long term outlook. Even a 5 year deal he may not see the end of that contract.

The Rangers still need to add at least one young center.
 
They aren't separating Kreider and Zib or Panarin and Strome, no matter how many times you repeat it in every damn thread.

That's nice, at least we'll have something to keep talking about then.

This is a team game. Now is not the time to coddle Laff, it's about finishing as high in the standings as possible.

No, but we can coddle the 30 year old instead of asking him to play the right side, makes sense.

Homers and their favorite players. :laugh:
 
If I state that K'Andre Miller is a top 3 talent drafted by this franchise -- ever -- after only Leetch and Hank, would anyone disagree?
based on raw talent and potential, he's up there
 
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