Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXX

[BringBackLibertys]

Now that TDL is imminent, even though i usually value it above xmas i just cant help that im feeling a bit dead inside that we are about to get rid of Zucc. Its like having to put down your dog, with a stapler.

Webster, is that you???

 

[Matt Rentfree]

If you are talking about nudes of those who post here, I'm putting you all on ignore.

Why would you willingly pass up that much blackmail material?

 

[Profet]

What has Tampa won?

What are you saying? They aren't the favorite?

 

[RGY]

What are you saying? They aren't the favorite?

They have not won anything yet is what i am saying.

The point made is that tanking doesnt always directly lead to succes. Especially with the lottery system.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

There's also teams with multiple top 3 picks - Florida (13 & 14), Buffalo and Edmonton that haven't won anything and don't appear to be that close to winning anything. You can make the argument for either. Basically three teams won with top picks and a bunch haven't.

Except the common denominator with those teams that differs from the teams who have bottomed out and won is consistently bad management across the board. That's why they haven't won.

 

[Lays]

Per random ppl on Twitter were asking for McAvoy in a potential Kreider deal..

Apparently McAvoy turned down a long term contract with the Bruins
There’s also his tweet from before he was drafted saying how much he hates the Bruins or something like that
And he’s from NY

 

[duhmetreE]

Point and Kucherov are playing on a team with a 1st overall pick as well as a 2nd overall pick. What do their numbers look like on a team without those players?

Gaudreau on a team with 5 former top 6 picks.

You are proving the point you are trying to disprove.

Kucherov and Point aren't on the same line with Stamkos. TB would not be a top team without Kucherov or Point.

Now we're moving the goal posts? Wasn't it top 3, now it's top 6? or does it NOT matter where they're drafted as long as they produce?

 

[Off Sides]

Except the common denominator with those teams that differs from the teams who have bottomed out and won is consistently bad management across the board. That's why they haven't won.

That and their market, and/or financial situation.

 

[Profet]

They have not won anything yet is what i am saying.

The point made is that tanking doesnt always directly lead to succes. Especially with the lottery system.

But that's a straw man argument. No one is saying that tanking is 100% foolproof. What is being said is that teams that are currently winning, have been bad enough to have top picks now playing for them.

 

[Ola]

So do you do Kreider, Pionk and Lias for McAvoy?

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

But that's a straw man argument. No one is saying that tanking is 100% foolproof. What is being said is that teams that are currently winning, have been bad enough to have top picks now playing for them.

This.

I’d rather be Tampa than Minnesota

 

[Tawnos]

To me, holding players out of the lineup happens when someone meets your internal minimum price. Doesn't necessarily mean a trade is imminent. It still might take a few days. If that's what happens tonight, I think we're in good shape.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

Except the common denominator with those teams that differs from the teams who have bottomed out and won is consistently bad management across the board. That's why they haven't won.

So, two top 2 picks and pristine management and we have the Cup? Where do I sign up?

 

[DanielBrassard]

So do you do Kreider, Pionk and Lias for McAvoy?

That's about as easy an answer as I have seen.

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

Asking.

I think they would much rather hold onto him. But if someone's going to approach you, you might as well ask for what you want.

I will say one thing, from everyone who works him, Gorton is no a BS'er.

Can’t BS when you’re always sleeping at the wheel

 

[ThirdEye]

So do you do Kreider, Pionk and Lias for McAvoy?

No thanks... too soon to give up on Lias. Pionk I don't care about... he seemed to have hit a wall

 

[TheBloodyNine]

So, two top 2 picks and pristine management and we have the Cup? Where do I sign up?

Pretty much. Not that hard to see. You can have all the top picks in the world, but if you don't have a management that knows how to actually build the team then you're not winning anything. Pretty simple stuff.

 

[duhmetreE]

Kreider Zibanejad Kucherov
Chytil? Point Kravstov

no top 3 talent but if we had the deep scouting TB had, we'd have a top offense.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

That and their market, and/or financial situation.

Absolutely, which is huge.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

So do you do Kreider, Pionk and Lias for McAvoy?

No

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

So do you do Kreider, Pionk and Lias for McAvoy?

Yes

 

[LORDE]

What has Tampa won?

A cup more recently than the NYR by a mile and they’re set up to do so AGAIN and we are a bottom 5 team.

Do you have a point?

 

[TheTakedown]

I am not understanding why Hayes for 6 years is a bad thing.... The guy is 27... 6 years takes him to 33.

Like I'm actually pissed AF... Lias is hardly an NHL player right now, Gorton wants to be good next year, so we're going to..... trade Hayes...???????

This makes no sense at all, unless the idea is to trade hayes and then sign someone else to a 6 year deal, but as it is right now we will have no #2 center

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

Pretty much. Not that hard to see. You can have all the top picks in the world, but if you don't have a management that knows how to actually build the team then you're not winning anything. Pretty simple stuff.

Lol, so simple. Can't believe no NHL owner has cracked this code. Why even ice a team if you don't have a 1st or 2nd overall pick on the roster? So can a team with great management and no top picks win a Cup?

 

[duhmetreE]

But that's a straw man argument. No one is saying that tanking is 100% foolproof. What is being said is that teams that are currently winning, have been bad enough to have top picks now playing for them.

That's flawed logic as well because the losers of the league pick at the top for a decade.... and still continue to lose.

The difference is, you hit and run at the top of the draft, you cannot stay there indefinitely or else you turn into the black hole. This will be our 2nd year as a lottery team with a top10ish pick. If we trade all of our assets/veterans we will be there a lot longer than those winning teams. At that point we have a far greater chance in becoming those shit team but with top talent.

Pitt is the only team that got out of the suckage because they were gifted Crosby. We had the same chances to get Crosby. Getting lucky isn't a strategy. Purposefully sucking long term is not a viable strategy.