Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXX
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What on earth makes you think he is staying? You think Matt Duchene is going to be the reason he keeps living in Columbus?
It was just mentioned today that Toronto and Vancouver have been added to his list of desired destinations, two amazing places to live. Seems to be an essential component of his decision.
I went to school in Ohio and spent plenty of time in Columbus. It’s polar opposite to the places he’s been rumored to have interest in.
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That is not the idea. It seems like they will add more.
But the prior belief among many would be that they might trade Panarin away and bring in someone who might be more likely to sign with them, so I wouldn't think the Duchene trade would be out of place regardless.
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Think he means staying through the season.
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Jackets New Lines with #95 in the mix...
Panarin Dubois Atkinson
Foligno Duchene Anderson
Jenner Wennberg Bjorkstrand
Duclair Dubinsky Nash
You know what this Jackets team is missing? A Quickie! #17
Jackets New Lines with #95 in the mix...
Panarin Dubois Atkinson
Foligno Duchene Anderson
Jenner Wennberg Bjorkstrand
Duclair Dubinsky Nash
You know what this Jackets team is missing? A Quickie! #17
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I don't think that's really accurate. The Rangers have drafted plenty of boom/bust type players, it's just that none of them have boomed.
JT Kreider
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Then we are just going to be like a McDavid-less Edmonton with Draisaitl, Eberle, Nurse types but no depth
Bob Richards
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To me staying might mean as in for the sake of making a run and not as a FA signing.
As painful as it would be to lose a player of Panarin's caliber for nothing, if this team wants to do damage in the playoffs then having both Duchene and Panarin is going to give them the absolute best chance, futures be damned.
I wish you would step off from the ledge my friend...
Zbad, CK, Chytil, Kravtsov, Andersson, Howden, ADA, Skjei, Miller, Lundkvist, Shesty, etc. Still have guys like Hajek, Lindgren and Rykov. Moving Hayes/Zucc will result in more pics that Gorton can play with at the draft, as well as prospects.
This team is rebuilding. This is what a rebuild looks like. Lots of question marks. Lots of unknowns.
Sit back and trust the process. Sit back and appreciate the fact that this organization has shown they are committed to developing a new core with more high end players than what we've had post-lockout.
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Right. But just throwing those kids to the wolves like the Oilers did is a really quick way ruin them and completely derail a rebuild.
Hence why I would prefer to keep Hayes unless we are getting an offer that blows us away. Trading him for the sake of trading him just to get mid level throwaway prospect and a late first doesn't move the needle. Keeping Hayes and not ruining Chytil or Lias is far more important.
IMO player development is even more important than drafting. For instance a guy like Pastrnak would probably never have made it If he was drafted by the Oilers. And Puljujarvi would probably be well on his way to being an elite scorer if he was in Boston and was brought along like Pasta was and got the opportunity to play with Bergeron and Marchand in the excellent culture they have there.
Just look at Dylan strome and how poorly he was handled in Arizona.
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We have a better system than Edmonton, so I'm not worried about us going down the same path as them.
We also haven't thrown the kids to the wolves - look at how often ADA was scratched. Same with Buch. Pionk too. Chytil. Andersson. Quinn is keeping a leash on these kids and actually coaching them. I disagree with some of his decisions, but as far as developing our prospects, I think he's done a very good job.
Hayes is going to want a big contract with term, and a NMC/NTC. We're not competing next year and probably the year after that. Why lock yourself in a longterm contract when we're rebuilding? Let's say our window opens up in the 2022 season. Hayes will be on his third year as a 30 year old.
We have guys like Andersson, Howden, possibly Chytil or even Kravtsov who might be able to fill those shoes at a fraction of the price.
I like Hayes. But we're not winning jack **** with him as our 2C. There's a good chance we find his replacement, or even Zbad's replacement if we land a top-3/5 pick this year. Signing Hayes is just more of the same old crap we've seen.
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If the plan remains the same, there will likely be down grades from Hayes, Zucc to someone else, like the Spooner/Strome types of the league.(who I think they'll get back this deadline too)
Then there will be some players who take the next step, Chytil, maybe Buch who will move up to take some of those top 6 spots too.
Then they have the Howden, Lias types who come in to round out the bottom 6. If they play better than that there is still room up the lines.
Plus there is always the cheaper short term UFAs who sign once they are in danger of be being passed over completely. There are several group 6 UFAs every year who are younger that also may sign with a re-builder in hopes of getting a shot.
And they are not going to trade away every vet they already current have.
It's not sexy but it does kind of accomplish some stuff (sort of like me)
The youth is sheltered, they have room to move around the roster.
The team is probably not all that good so another high draft selection is likely.
Yet that is not a full on tank, so none of the players need to feel like they are just going through the motions.
Rangers are just not Edmonton, Buffalo, Florida, Colorado, Arizona or anywhere else. They are much more similar to LA, Chicago, Boston, Toronto, etc.
And the contingency plan if all that fails, they can just trade away some stuff much like they did for Nash, they are still going to have tons of cap space to sign UFAs. They'll figure it out then, yet right now they have a chance to do something no other Ranger era has done to my knowledge, actually rebuild without taking short cuts. They seem to have received the ownership's blessing to try, there does not seem to be any rumbling about what they are up to, why not take the gamble?
Then there will be some players who take the next step, Chytil, maybe Buch who will move up to take some of those top 6 spots too.
Then they have the Howden, Lias types who come in to round out the bottom 6. If they play better than that there is still room up the lines.
Plus there is always the cheaper short term UFAs who sign once they are in danger of be being passed over completely. There are several group 6 UFAs every year who are younger that also may sign with a re-builder in hopes of getting a shot.
And they are not going to trade away every vet they already current have.
It's not sexy but it does kind of accomplish some stuff (sort of like me)
The youth is sheltered, they have room to move around the roster.
The team is probably not all that good so another high draft selection is likely.
Yet that is not a full on tank, so none of the players need to feel like they are just going through the motions.
Rangers are just not Edmonton, Buffalo, Florida, Colorado, Arizona or anywhere else. They are much more similar to LA, Chicago, Boston, Toronto, etc.
And the contingency plan if all that fails, they can just trade away some stuff much like they did for Nash, they are still going to have tons of cap space to sign UFAs. They'll figure it out then, yet right now they have a chance to do something no other Ranger era has done to my knowledge, actually rebuild without taking short cuts. They seem to have received the ownership's blessing to try, there does not seem to be any rumbling about what they are up to, why not take the gamble?
They're going to make a run for it. They also got a RHD that can slot in as a #6. They were looking for a young mobile RHD. I doubt Bergman makes the line-up, but he was a need they identified.
They have this kid Robinson that they really like on the 4th line wing, he'll displace Duclair. Werenski's been a little off this year, but they want to get him going and playing on the top pair next to Jones.
Wennberg has struggled mightily this year, with ZERO goals at even strength. They needed another center that can give them two scoring units. Riley Nash is another guy they thought could play the middle, after scoring 41 points as a center withe Bruins, but he's been horrible.
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On the surface it would look silly for the Jackets to trade Panarin because they gave up so much for Duchene and are going all in with that group.
They could potentially add more in essence even though they will most likely lose him for nothing they will have Panarin as a rental for the playoffs.
Its not like they are a team like the Isles last year losing Tavares. Unless the ship sinks completely and the miss the playoffs with both Duchene and Panarin... which is possible.
Also possible - The Jackets catch fire and make it to the finals, convincing Panarin, Duchene and Bob to sign? Room to do so?
They could potentially add more in essence even though they will most likely lose him for nothing they will have Panarin as a rental for the playoffs.
Its not like they are a team like the Isles last year losing Tavares. Unless the ship sinks completely and the miss the playoffs with both Duchene and Panarin... which is possible.
Also possible - The Jackets catch fire and make it to the finals, convincing Panarin, Duchene and Bob to sign? Room to do so?
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It started 6/23/17. It doesn't matter because arbitrary 'start dates' mean nothing
So, like I said before posts got moved/deleted.... It will be 3 drafts and sell offs. Anything longer than that and we're flirting with disaster.
If some teams are inquiring about both Hayes and Zucc, it can hold back a Zucc trade. If it’s a straight auction something would happen sooner rather than later, but if someone is serious about both it can take a little longer.
I am kind of down by there being — zero — rumblings about Shatty. Nor about Smith or Staal, but I lost hopes about those two a long time ago.
So our blueline for next season is basically sat? It will be the same as this year? We won’t see any UDFA signings? No trades for some D caught on the outside looking in elsewhere?
So our blueline for next season is basically sat? It will be the same as this year? We won’t see any UDFA signings? No trades for some D caught on the outside looking in elsewhere?
I’m still curious about Shattenkirk and Vegas frankly. Haven’t heard a peep just gut keeps telling me something might be there
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There was never any real hope of any of them being moved this season, IMO. Shattenkirk will have to wait until next year's deadline, or even next summer. The last year of his contract actual $ is significantly less than his cap hit. Someone will definitely take a chance on him then. And I have to think we're stuck with Staal & Smith unless either one is bought out. No one will take them and it's not worth giving up assets to convince someone to take them.
Where is this coming from? It's February 22nd and there's still 22 games left in this season...no one knows what this summer will hold for this team yet.
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