Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXVIII

[duhmetreE]

Not to be a party pooper but I’d like to see Barron play in the NHL before penciling him into the 3C role.

I’d be interested in Horvat and keeping him long term but it would require getting rid of one of Kreider or Trouba. Kreider playing as well as he has is good in case they need to get rid of him

It's interchangable. Barron at 3C or 4C. Goodrow at 3C or 4C. obviously we'd hope Barron sticks as a 3C

I think Barrons game translates well

 

[FIRE DRURY]

If you go in and get Horvat, your 100% moving 1 of trouba or kreider when their nMC switches to MNTC.
The contract seems to coincide with that, and there will be needed cap for a raise. We also have no clue how much the cap can go up at that time.
I’d wager Drury inquires, but if the price is too steep he’s not gonna pay it.
The next wave of secondary scoring coming on ELC deals in the form of Barron, Berard, Cuylle, Othmann, Schneider all have talent, but all play an abrasive physical game as well.
The key is LaF and kakko keep developing into the players we know they can be. The rest will fall into place.

Kreider and Trouba’s NMC expires after the 2023-2024 season. Horvats an UFA after next season. You’ll have to convince one of them to waive a year early.

They both have a 15 team no trade list too which eliminates half the league. We'll most likely have to take salary back so we won’t get the full cap clearance.

The worry about it later approach is why we’ve had a plethora of buyouts over the last decade. Worry about it now and manage the cap appropriately. Last thing we need to do is handcuff ourselves financially so a team like the Habs can offersheets Laf.

 

[jay from jersey]

Not to be a party pooper but I’d like to see Barron play in the NHL before penciling him into the 3C role.

I’d be interested in Horvat and keeping him long term but it would require getting rid of one of Kreider or Trouba. Kreider playing as well as he has is good in case they need to get rid of him

If Barron can’t handle 3rd line minutes with 2 vets flanking him after 2 years of all situations 1st line min in the AHL, then we should forget about him as a legitimate prospect.
His size, shot, physicality, and strong play along the boards and down low will be a welcome addition to the 3rd line as well as the PK.
He would have likely started on the big club this season if it wasn’t for the overstock of fwds, specifically centers which is obviously where they are intent on playing him.
Hopefully he gets a little quicker at his first 2-3 steps. If he does that, he’ll likely be a top notch 3C hopefully we’ll insulated.

 

[jay from jersey]

Kreider and Trouba’s NMC expires after the 2023-2024 season. Horvats an UFA after next season. You’ll have to convince one of them to waive a year early.

They both have a 15 team no trade list too which eliminates half the league. We'll most likely have to take salary back so we won’t get the full cap clearance.

The worry about it later approach is why we’ve had a plethora of buyouts over the last decade. Worry about it now and manage the cap appropriately. Last thing we need to do is handcuff ourselves financially so a team like the Habs can offersheets Laf.

That’s my mistake, I thought Horvat was signed for 2 more years after this one at 5.5

 

[FIRE DRURY]

That’s my mistake, I thought Horvat was signed for 2 more years after this one at 5.5

This is an Internet forum. Nobody’s allowed to make mistakes here, Jay.

Consider yourself warned.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

How about for Thanksgiving we all name one player we’re most thankful for.

I’ll start and name four: Lindgren and Panarin, followed by Fox and Zib.

Lindgren is so underrated with how he plays the game, he's considered a physical shut down guy but his first pass and decision making are really good as well. Im thankful he went and worked on his skating or he'd still be in Hartford.

 

[Lays]

Former NYR JTM doing us a favor by running Bo out of Vancouver. I would pay through the ass to get Horvat as I said earlier. He’s that missing piece that we need. Leadership ability, shoot first mentality, great playoff performer. He would fit in almost too perfectly here

 

[thethirdhockeyman91]

I would love Bo Horvat on the rangers. Perfect 2c for us.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

I truly believe this team needs to build from within if they want to be competitive for the next number of years, guys like Schneider, Robertson, Barron, Othmann, Berard, Jones, maybe Kravtsov if they can fix the relationship etc all should be the focus of this rebuild. I like all the players we're talkinf abou trading for but they come with a cost both in cap and assets. I think they need to practice patience.

 

[McRanger92]

Former NYR JTM doing us a favor by running Bo out of Vancouver. I would pay through the ass to get Horvat as I said earlier. He’s that missing piece that we need. Leadership ability, shoot first mentality, great playoff performer. He would fit in almost too perfectly here

I don’t know the specifics of what’s going on with the Canucks, but it seems to me like JT Miller is always involved in some kind of “culture” issue with the teams he’s on. In theory he checks all the boxes, but I think the Rangers org knows to steer clear

 

[Shesterkybomb]

I don’t know the specifics of what’s going on with the Canucks, but it seems to me like JT Miller is always involved in some kind of “culture” issue with the teams he’s on. In theory he checks all the boxes, but I think the Rangers org knows to steer clear

Too much money for what we're building here and the contracts we have

 

[egelband]

Good point, but also no reason for Reaves to not go after him. I think he is more effective a deterrent than Laf.

To be honest, Reaves isn’t the guy to go after a Pageau. Pageau is too little. Lafreniere was as good a choice as any, really. And also, the Pageau hit wasn’t really all that bad. Had he really done wrong, maybe Reaves turns him inside out. But for this, Lafreniere gets a chance to tune up his fists of fury. All good, I’d say.

 

[Avery16]

To be honest, Reaves isn’t the guy to go after a Pageau. Pageau is too little. Lafreniere was as good a choice as any, really. And also, the Pageau hit wasn’t really all that bad. Had he really done wrong, maybe Reaves turns him inside out. But for this, Lafreniere gets a chance to tune up his fists of fury. All good, I’d say.

Reaves gets a lot of excuses on this board.

We brought him in as a deterrent. We’ve lost a number of players to injuries, serious injuries, good players (to include him).

He’s fought exactly once. Something isn’t getting done right.

 

[egelband]

Reaves gets a lot of excuses on this board.

We brought him in as a deterrent. We’ve lost a number of players to injuries, serious injuries, good players (to include him).

He’s fought exactly once. Something isn’t getting done right.

That’s true. But Pageau wasn’t the one.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Reaves doesnt have to fight Pageau but he does have to grab him by the sweater and shake him around a bit.

 

[jay from jersey]

Reaves gets a lot of excuses on this board.

We brought him in as a deterrent. We’ve lost a number of players to injuries, serious injuries, good players (to include him).

He’s fought exactly once. Something isn’t getting done right.

Reaves gets a lot of excuses on this board.

We brought him in as a deterrent. We’ve lost a number of players to injuries, serious injuries, good players (to include him).

He’s fought exactly once. Something isn’t getting done right.

Reaves is a deterrent for mainly heavies imposing their physical will with impunity. Guys like Wilson/Matin who who take runs with no recourse. You can expect him to chase every 180-190 pound D-bag that takes a run around the ice.
That’s what guys like Hunt, Goodrow, and Blais were brought in for. The team is tougher as a whole with Reaves on it.
But you right about one thing, guys should be standing up for each other as a whole better.
I’d expect as the team grows closer together, you’ll see this one for all, all for one mentality increase. Just getting Reaves and putting him in a room with a bunch of guys he’s never played with before isn’t going to magically stop every player from taking a shot.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

Playing Devils advocate but if all the players are with JT Miller and only Pearson is with Horvat could that point to Horvat being the issue? I have no insider knowledge but trying to see it from the other side.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Could be nothing, but Michael Reander is in New York. He's the agent of both Nils Lundkvist and Patrik Nemeth.

 

[Zats Muccarello]

Playing Devils advocate but if all the players are with JT Miller and only Pearson is with Horvat could that point to Horvat being the issue? I have no insider knowledge but trying to see it from the other side.

agreed, it’s a red flag if the entire team turns its back on the captain

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

JT Miller being a malcontent in the locker room? I simply cannot believe that

 

[Avery16]

Just getting Reaves and putting him in a room with a bunch of guys he’s never played with before isn’t going to magically stop every player from taking a shot.

He should stop more of them.

 

[jay from jersey]

He should stop more of them.

I think the team more as a whole should take special umbrage, especially when there’s contact with shesty. That’s 0 tolerance for me. And I suspect Gallant as well.
If he gets injured, it’s over

 

[bigdog16]

Not sure I love the Horvat idea. Is he really that much of an improvement over Strome? He plays both ways harder for sure but their production is almost identical dating back to 18-19. And not sure I understand the whole "leadership" shtick from him, he literally just lost the locker room in Vancouver...Hes a good player but I wouldnt sit here and give up valuable pieces for him

 

[haohmaru]

Horvat doesn't work with our cap anyway. He's not much (if any) upgrade over Strome. This is all fantasy.

 

[LeetchisGod]

Not sure I love the Horvat idea. Is he really that much of an improvement over Strome? He plays both ways harder for sure but their production is almost identical dating back to 18-19. And not sure I understand the whole "leadership" shtick from him, he literally just lost the locker room in Vancouver...Hes a good player but I wouldnt sit here and give up valuable pieces for him

Horvat is great on faceoffs, has performed in the playoffs and is a shoot first player. All things that we need. I'm for acquiring him if the price isn't ridiculous.