Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXVIII

[GoAwayPanarin]

Hornet doesn't work with our cap anyway. He's not much (if any) upgrade over Strome. This is all fantasy.

It doesn't work contract wise long term, but hed be a massive upgrade on Strome.

 

[Sockosensei]

Reaves gets a lot of excuses on this board.

We brought him in as a deterrent. We’ve lost a number of players to injuries, serious injuries, good players (to include him).

He’s fought exactly once. Something isn’t getting done right.

Partly, yes. But just as important is he was brought in to build an environment where guys stick up for each other. It's working.

The real deterrent is when word gets around the league that you can't push the Rangers around anymore because any or all of them will take retribution. No more free passes.

When even your 180-pound finesse Norris winner jumps people and your 1st-overall pick instigates his first ever fight to stick up for a teammate, it sends a message.

 

[LOFIN]

Game starts in 3 hours and no GDT? @Loffen get your act together man.

 

[Avery16]

The real deterrent is when word gets around the league that you can't push the Rangers around anymore because any or all of them will take retribution. No more free passes.

And yet, it’s still happening. Reaves and Blais were taken out and Subban is still healthy. Igor has been run. Chytil concussed. Lindgren with two near concussions so far. We’re getting lit up. I don’t think the league got the memo that we aren’t to be messed with.

 

[Kravtsov420]

Not sure I love the Horvat idea. Is he really that much of an improvement over Strome? He plays both ways harder for sure but their production is almost identical dating back to 18-19. And not sure I understand the whole "leadership" shtick from him, he literally just lost the locker room in Vancouver...Hes a good player but I wouldnt sit here and give up valuable pieces for him

Considering he’s a center who actually wins face offs, yes

 

[McRanger92]

Trading for Horvat or Miller player would be a Yandle type trade for the Rangers. 2 playoff runs then they walk, the team could thread the needle with the cap to make it work . They’d have to squeeze the RFAs, dump Nemeth and go cheap at backup goalie but I think it’s doable. If VAN retained (doubtful, but still) it wouldn’t be an issue at all

 

[pld459666]

I don't think it's worthwhile for the Rangers to trade for any rentals this year. They've only started to end their rebuild and they're already getting trigger happy? If they want to trade for a player that already has term and they can make the cap work, then that's understandable. But spending assets for a rental is what we hope they're doing a few years from now as a serious contender. This is too soon for such a trade like that.

If the are relatively comfortable in a playoff position at the deadline and you can add a Reilly Smith for a 2nd, then you make tjat move and get these kids some playoff experience asap.

You have to know what failure is in order to learn how to win.

The sooner the youngsters go thru that first phase, the quicker they learn the 2nd part.

Obviously don't break the bank, but a rental like Smith?

Thats an easy yes

 

[RGY]

Horvat is so much better than Strome, its not even close.

 

[howztheglass]

If we're going to spend assets, it should be for an under-30 top-six C like Horvat or Domi, assuming that we can carve out room to keep them past this season. No sense in spending for rentals this season.

While I do agree with not spending assets on rentals--one I could see is Hertl then re-sign him after the trade, He's having a good season and would be a nice fit as 2C.

Now I will say I would spend on Bo as most have wrote--move Strome to wing.

 

[bigdog16]

Considering he’s a center who actually wins face offs, yes

He wins like 7/100 more faceoffs than Strome. Its really not a significant amount. The fancy stat heroes will also chime in and tell you that faceoffs are actually a pretty irrelevant stat.

 

[bhamill]

Partly, yes. But just as important is he was brought in to build an environment where guys stick up for each other. It's working.

The real deterrent is when word gets around the league that you can't push the Rangers around anymore because any or all of them will take retribution. No more free passes.

When even your 180-pound finesse Norris winner jumps people and your 1st-overall pick instigates his first ever fight to stick up for a teammate, it sends a message.

Yup. You are not going to ever have a situation where no one will ever throw a cheap shot at your team or take a random run. I don’t care if your whole team is Ryan Reaveses… however what happened to Martin and Clutterbuck the other night? They were practically non existent. Certainly weren’t running around all night. Anyone think that’s just a coincidence? The NYR pretty much bullied the NYI the other night. That is in great part because of what Reaves brings to the rink.

 

[bigdog16]

It doesn't work contract wise long term, but hed be a massive upgrade on Strome.

I don't think its as big of an upgrade as many people believe. He offers more defensively sure but the offensive output is very similar. Hes not a massive upgrade by any means. Hes a big name because he was named a captain at a young age - the hype doesn't really live up to what he offers. In my opinion one of the most overrated players in the league

 

[howztheglass]

Guys and Girls come on--Reaves is not going to drop the gloves with Pegeau. He should have or could have gone in and rag dolled him around a little but Reaves is not fighting someone half his size. Martin and Johnson ( who wasn't playing ) oh course but to say or write why is Reaves here is pretty obvious--Something tells me we will see Reaves dropping the gloves on Sunday when round 2 comes around--and it won't be with Pegeau. Last year we would have walked away and nothing would have been done--good for Laffy ( sort of ) and most likely the reason Reaves couldn't go in and face wash Pegeau.

 

[Ola]

JT Miller being a malcontent in the locker room? I simply cannot believe that

I followed up on that report and everyone I saw comment on it claimed that the source has zero credibility, probably below someone like Dagoon...

I don't think that report passes the smell test for having any credibility either. Two guys agree with the captain and everyone else with another player? Miller is getting singled out here because he called out the team for not working hard enough in a presser a few weeks ago. His comments were widely appreciated.

 

[duhmetreE]

I know it wont be popular but Anaheim has a couple of players I'd be interested in @ 50%. If they fall off I'd be all for.....

Adam Henrique @ 50% imo a perfect replacement for Strome. fallback if Chytil doesn't work.


and to a lesser extent
Jacob Siflverberg @ 50%

 

[rangers1314]

Same line up today, Igor starts.

 

[Avery16]

I know it wont be popular but Anaheim has a couple of players I'd be interested in @ 50%. If they fall off I'd be all for.....

Adam Henrique @ 50% imo a perfect replacement for Strome. fallback if Chytil doesn't work.


and to a lesser extent
Jacob Siflverberg @ 50%

More interested in Rakell than those two, and only if we plan to re-sign to a responsible number/term.

 

[Kocur Dill]

I don't think its as big of an upgrade as many people believe. He offers more defensively sure but the offensive output is very similar. Hes not a massive upgrade by any means. Hes a big name because he was named a captain at a young age - the hype doesn't really live up to what he offers. In my opinion one of the most overrated players in the league

The fact that he is a defensive and face-off upgrade while achieving similar offensive output is the sell ok him over Strome.

If Strome could actually do what is required of a Center to contribute to a successful hockey team, no-one would be looking to replace him and he would have received a sizable contract offer from the NYR Brass by now.

We don't need a 1st line center. We need a 2a like Horvat not the 2b that Strome is.

Id prefer a guy that's a little more physical as well, but a more physical, 3 zone, 52%fo, 60+ pt center doesn't ever shake loose.

His numbers and play actually mimic closely to Lindholm who everyone has been salivating for since Edge name dropped him a few summers ago, yet that ship has sailed with his value to Calagary having cemented itself since.

If the room has turned on Horvat, and Benning is listening to offers. Imo he's a blessing to fall in our laps, rent Strome as our RW option for the year, and let him go make his overpaid one-way game somewhere else.

Not busting balls. Just saying, Strome is a poor 2c for a team wanting to go further than 1 or 2 rounds. Horvath brings that little bit more than just points it takes to win when it matters most.

 

[duhmetreE]

More interested in Rakell than those two.

the point is getting a solid player, with term at a great value.

Cap space is our biggest hurdle. Rakell would be a rental.

 

[duhmetreE]

The fact that he is a defensive and face-off upgrade while achieving similar offensive output is the sell ok him over Strome.

If Strome could actually do what is required of a Center to contribute to a successful hockey team, no-one would be looking to replace him and he would have received a sizable contract offer from the NYR Brass by now.

We don't need a 1st line center. We need a 2a like Horvat not the 2b that Strome is.

Id prefer a guy that's a little more physical as well, but a more physical, 3 zone, 52%fo, 60+ pt center doesn't ever shake loose.

His numbers and play actually mimic closely to Lindholm who everyone has been salivating for since Edge name dropped him a few summers ago, yet that ship has sailed with his value to Calagary having cemented itself since.

If the room has turned on Horvat, and Benning is listening to offers. Imo he's a blessing to fall in our laps, rent Strome as our RW option for the year, and let him go make his overpaid one-way game somewhere else.

Not busting balls. Just saying, Strome is a poor 2c for a team wanting to go further than 1 or 2 rounds. Horvath brings that little bit more than just points it takes to win when it matters most.

Lindholm... and Bennett... If only Gorton slightly 'overpaid'.

We had and still have an abundance of assets... using them to strengthen Center was obvious to me.

 

[bigdog16]

The fact that he is a defensive and face-off upgrade while achieving similar offensive output is the sell ok him over Strome.

If Strome could actually do what is required of a Center to contribute to a successful hockey team, no-one would be looking to replace him and he would have received a sizable contract offer from the NYR Brass by now.

We don't need a 1st line center. We need a 2a like Horvat not the 2b that Strome is.

Id prefer a guy that's a little more physical as well, but a more physical, 3 zone, 52%fo, 60+ pt center doesn't ever shake loose.

His numbers and play actually mimic closely to Lindholm who everyone has been salivating for since Edge name dropped him a few summers ago, yet that ship has sailed with his value to Calagary having cemented itself since.

If the room has turned on Horvat, and Benning is listening to offers. Imo he's a blessing to fall in our laps, rent Strome as our RW option for the year, and let him go make his overpaid one-way game somewhere else.

Not busting balls. Just saying, Strome is a poor 2c for a team wanting to go further than 1 or 2 rounds. Horvath brings that little bit more than just points it takes to win when it matters most.

1. At what expense? You are ready to sell off Nils + to get a minor upgrade on Strome? Because that's what it'd take
2. 12 points in 15 games while the team is sitting 7th in the league at 12-4-3 seems like he is contributing to a successful hockey team
3. This is semantics and brings me back to #1, you are ready to unload assets for an upgrade from 2b to 2a??
4. He has scored 60 points once, and paced for 62 once in his 8-year career. By those insinuations - Strome is a 70+ point player
5. Lindholm has been a significantly more productive player and its not close. Taking into account their past 227 games (4 seasons) Lindholm is scoring at a .89 PPG (201 points) clip and Horvat is scoring at a .72 PPG (164 points) clip
6. See #1
7. Strome is better than your giving him credit for, and you are giving Horvat too much credit

 

[Bondra slapshot]

If the are relatively comfortable in a playoff position at the deadline and you can add a Reilly Smith for a 2nd, then you make tjat move and get these kids some playoff experience asap.

You have to know what failure is in order to learn how to win.

The sooner the youngsters go thru that first phase, the quicker they learn the 2nd part.

Obviously don't break the bank, but a rental like Smith?

Thats an easy yes

Sure, we can play what-if-isms all day. If it's just a second round pick in this particular example then no problem. But that's not what I was referring too. I was referring to a bigger trade idea that sends our prospects away in a similar vein to what we've done in the past when we were already more established for our respective windows.

 

[Raspewtin]

holy shit Bo Horvat is overrated lol

he wins faceoffs, that's the only thing he does we don't have

where is this lie that he's a shoot first player coming from? ryan strome shoots the puck more at ES.

 

[EdJovanovski]

holy shit Bo Horvat is overrated lol

he wins faceoffs, that's the only thing he does we don't have

where is this lie that he's a shoot first player coming from? ryan strome shoots the puck more at ES.

Pettersson is the guy we should want, not Horvat. Pettersson is just as good as him defensively too. Pettersson is Kravtsov lite

 

[EdJovanovski]

Hornet doesn't work with our cap anyway. He's not much (if any) upgrade over Strome. This is all fantasy.

Hornet lol