Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXVI - Point Of No Return

[egelband]

As in life do everything that is in your control and do your due diligence then let the chips(ping pong Balls) fall where they may.

Yes. Good advice.

 

[Alluckks]

I didn't think you were allowed to drink while driving for Uber.....

I read this wrong, nevermind

 

[Alluckks]

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[egelband]

Frankly I'd be more interested in either of Frederic or Donato and maybe Boston adds a 3rd as well.

The Boston sentiment is that they have a lot of good young third line types but not enough threats on offense. Which jibes with what we’ve seen from Boston, I’d say. A guy like Zucc would be perfect for them. I guess the worry for the Rangers is if there’s another similar guy on the market for cheaper. Are there?

 

[egelband]

Considering how NHL GMs seem to sit on their hands and clutch their pearls these days over giving up anything in trades, I'm going to guess Kreider doesn't get moved.

Exactly. One Alpha GM out there could make a lot of hay. Veterans are so undervalued. In fact, that’s kind of what McPhee did last year.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

Exactly. One Alpha GM out there could make a lot of hay. Veterans are so undervalued. In fact, that’s kind of what McPhee did last year.

Almost worked for Sather here in 2014 with the St. Louis desk and again in 2015 with the Yandle deal. Both of those teams were a few bounces from winning the cup really and were legit contenders.

 

[duhmetreE]

Man... Yandle on this team would be nice

 

[egelband]

Almost worked for Sather here in 2014 with the St. Louis desk and again in 2015 with the Yandle deal. Both of those teams were a few bounces from winning the cup really and were legit contenders.

Totally agree. The Kings had no business winning that series in five. It was so much closer. And then the next year... that was when Zucc got hurt, right?
I’m so disappointed that GMs are such p***yes these days. Afraid to take even a minimal risk. Seems like they have an unwritten agreement to keep things relatively quiet. Not make fellow GMs look lazy and/or uninventive.

 

[eco's bones]

The Boston sentiment is that they have a lot of good young third line types but not enough threats on offense. Which jibes with what we’ve seen from Boston, I’d say. A guy like Zucc would be perfect for them. I guess the worry for the Rangers is if there’s another similar guy on the market for cheaper. Are there?

I see Frederic as a third line grit--maybe 35 points guy. That's not a bad deal for a Zucc rental. He's a young guy and I think he'll have a decent NHL career. Donato has more offense but not as many intangibles. The other thing I'd look at in a deal with the Bruins is their 1st. I'm not a fan of Shenyshyn. I think he's going to bust.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

I'd be more than happy with Fredrick and a 1st for Zucc if that was offered.

 

[Sarge13]

If we're just dreaming, I want Studnicka and Grzelcyk from Boston.

 

[Waivers]

To the folks who like fairytales, Zucc gets traded, and he comes back, how soon will he be traded again after he re-signs?

 

[Richter35]

Pipe dream deadline-

Assumptions - Duchene re-signs but Stone wants to leave and will negotiate extension, jackets don’t trade bread, TB wants to shore up their d and needs to shed cap to avoid a Point offer sheet

1. TB 1st 19, 3rd 20 and Callahan (no retention) for McQuaid

2. Stone to NYR for TB 1st 19, NYR 2nd 19, NYR 3rd 20 and Namestnikov. Stone signs 8x9 extension. This guy is the truth, forget panarin.

3. Zucc (50% retained), NYR 6th 19 to CGY for CGY 1st 19 and mangiapane

4. Hayes to NSH for NSH 1st 19 and allard

NYR still pick 3 times in the first and have 2, 3, 5 rd picks this year, full complement next year. Buyout cally in the summer. If zucc or Hayes want to come back and can fit, great- if not there are internal replacements.

Is that bern worthy or na?

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Pipe dream deadline-

Assumptions - Duchene re-signs but Stone wants to leave and will negotiate extension, jackets don’t trade bread, TB wants to shore up their d and needs to shed cap to avoid a Point offer sheet

1. TB 1st 19, 3rd 20 and Callahan (no retention) for McQuaid

2. Stone to NYR for TB 1st 19, NYR 2nd 19, NYR 3rd 20 and Namestnikov. Stone signs 8x9 extension. This guy is the truth, forget panarin.

3. Zucc (50% retained), NYR 6th 19 to CGY for CGY 1st 19 and mangiapane

4. Hayes to NSH for NSH 1st 19 and allard

NYR still pick 3 times in the first and have 2, 3, 5 rd picks this year, full complement next year. Buyout cally in the summer. If zucc or Hayes want to come back and can fit, great- if not there are internal replacements.

Is that bern worthy or na?

That stone trade is horriawful.

Why not just sign him in a few months if you want him?

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

Rangers lose!

 

[BobMarleyNYR]

I disagree, but you're entitled to you opinion.

Most teams bad enough to draft 3rd overall probably aren't in a position to be trading away youth though. But, that's the beauty of the Colorado situation. They're in position where they might entertain such an idea. Kreider and Zibanejad are better players now, and likely for the next 2-3 years, than the 2019 3rd overall pick will be. It's going to get difficult to keep their roster together once everyone starts coming up for a new contract.

Buffalo is another team that might entertain moving a lottery pick.

I think you need a team in the right situation to do it, but I think the value is there. Schneider returned the 10th OA. Stepan returned a package including the 7th OA. It's not without precedent.

Stepan returned a 7th in a pretty weak draft. Zibanejad is worth top-10 pick, I think. Kreider really isn't as valuable to other teams as to NYR.

 

[NYRFANMANI]

Man... Yandle on this team would be nice

That entire debacle is getting worse every year ...

On the positive side, I feel Zucc's stock is rising. That half of a first period I watched before falling asleep, he was buzzing, very fast, great little defensive plays. Hope it lasted throughout the game.

 

[Mikos87]

https://www.tsn.ca/coyotes-acquire-emil-pettersson-from-preds-1.1254345

This seems kind of interesting to me. The elder Pettersson is 25, hasn't played in the NHL yet, former 6th round pick. Arizona trades two 23 year olds, former 2nd and 4th round picks, Dauphin with some NHL experience. Helewka seems about ready to make the jump.

Whats the play here? For Elias once a UFA? Was this about shedding one net contract? Couldn't have been for salary considerations…all three are pending RFAs...

Emil is a guy who I was hoping the Rangers would get. Worth a look. Long rangy playmaking center, great hands, and really good on the PP. Surprised at the return, but he's a guy who I thought was NHL ready two years ago. He's a bit older at 25. Can snipe it. Very crafty offensively.

 

[Ola]

Man... Yandle on this team would be nice

Hehe, but in hindsight we have a tendency to always deal the wrong guy. We definitely should have traded McD and kept Yandle even if we weren’t ready to rebuild at that time...

 

[Vitto79]

Hehe, but in hindsight we have a tendency to always deal the wrong guy. We definitely should have traded McD and kept Yandle even if we weren’t ready to rebuild at that time...

Meh Yandle is good this year but not the greatest last ... that deals too long .... what they should of done is played the guy 1st PP

 

[Miamipuck]

Oh geez... is it February 26th yet?

Knock it off this year is going fast enough. There's only 319 shopping days left until Xmas.

 

[Vitto79]

Edmonton needs a change .... Names, Smith and Vesey for Poo , Kassian, Sekera and a pick ?

 

[Tawnos]

https://www.tsn.ca/coyotes-acquire-emil-pettersson-from-preds-1.1254345

This seems kind of interesting to me. The elder Pettersson is 25, hasn't played in the NHL yet, former 6th round pick. Arizona trades two 23 year olds, former 2nd and 4th round picks, Dauphin with some NHL experience. Helewka seems about ready to make the jump.

Whats the play here? For Elias once a UFA? Was this about shedding one net contract? Couldn't have been for salary considerations…all three are pending RFAs...

I think the central component there was the Coyotes being at 50 contracts. By trading 2 for 1, they’re at 49 and could potentially add something to make a run at the playoffs.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

Race for Hughes:

Boston Vs LA (Come on LA!)
Buffalo Vs Detriot (Come on Detriot!)
Minnesota Vs NJ (Come on NJ!)
Islanders Vs Colorado (Come on Colorado!)
Anaheim Vs Philly (Come on 3pt game!)
Nashville Vs St Louis (Come on St Louis!)
Ottawa Vs Winnipeg (Come on Ottawa!)
Dallas Vs Arizona (Come on Arizona!)
San Jose Vs Edmonton (Come on Edmonton)
Florida Vs Washington (Come on Florida!)
Vancouver Vs Calgary (Come on Vancouver!)

If all goes well the Rangers will be 8th worst in the league.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

To the folks who like fairytales, Zucc gets traded, and he comes back, how soon will he be traded again after he re-signs?

If he comes back it would be a series of short contracts until he retires much like Joe Thornton has been doing.