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Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXVI - Point Of No Return

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Mac n Gs said:
McKenzie’s wording makes it seem like Gorton would want a redux of Brassard for Zibanejad with Kreider. I’d want something more tangible than a prospect, and ideally it’s a kid playing well in professional hockey in some capacity.

Rangers added ~6 years in that deal, which meand they could be looking for someone that’s from the 2013-15 drafts. Plenty of names from those first rounders are guys on the cusp of breaking out and solidifying themselves for the next 6-8 years.

I’d hate to deal Kreids, and I think he’d be a great piece to augment this next core of Rangers. However, if Gorton can get that type of value again, it only serves as an extension of this next window, while also minimizing risk of a bigger contract with depreciating value. I don’t think Kreids will slow down, but the risk is there.

The one thing that’s woefully apparent is that we need to solidify their secondary scoring moving forward.
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That at least to me would make some sense, however Brassard had some term left, I think 2 or 3 years.
 
I was bored and then made up this funny, End Game inspired, cleaning house TDL scenario holding nothing back. I dedicate this to RB. Going full Bern is fun. Hope he enjoys it - although I retained $$ on Smith.

Peace

TRADES before TDL
  1. Mats Zuccarello ($4,500,000 - UFA) for Adam Fox (NCAA prospect) and Buffalos 3rd round pick in 2020
  2. Kevin Hayes ($5,125,000 - UFA) and NYR 4th round pick in 2019 for Calgarys first round pick in 2019 and Oliver Kylington ($730,833 - 1 year left until RFA)
  3. Adam McQuaid ($2.750,000) for TML 3rd round pick 2019, Pierre Engvall (prospect in AHL) and Nathan Horton ($5,300,000 - LTIR with 1 year left)
  4. Brendan Smith (50% of $4,350,000 retained = $2.175.000 - 2 years left until UFA) , Vlad Namestnikov ($4M - 1 year left), Vinni Lettieri ($925,000 - RFA) and Alexander Georgiev ($792,500 - RFA in one year) for Cam Talbot ($4,166,667), Brandon Manning ($2.25 M - 1 year left), Zack Kassian ($1.95 M - 1 year left) and Jesse Pulujärvi (925 k - RFA)
  5. Chris Kreider ($4,625,000 - 1 year left) for William Nylander ($6,962,366 - 5 years left)
  6. Bo Nieves ($708.750 - UFA) to Dallas for Jason Spezza ($7,500,000 - UFA), their 2019 3rd rounder and a 2020 6th round pick
  7. Ryan Callahan ($5,800,000 - 1 more year) and Tampa Bays 1st round pick (hence the option disappears on the previous 2019 2nd round pick) to NYR for future considerations

ECONOMY
Deadline cap space right now - $9,315,015
Money going out - $27,776,250
Money Coming back -348,854,033
Difference on trades - 7,077,783
Retained on Brendan Smith - $2.175.000
Sum of trades at deadline - $9,252,783
Cap space left at the deadline - $62.232
There is no salary cap after the TDL

NYR “Team Tank” for the rest of 2019
Nylander - Zib - Buchnevich (RFA)
Chytil - Spezza (UFA) - Pulujärvi (RFA)
Vesey - Strome - Fast
Kassian - Andersson - Callahan
Injured: Howden
Callup(s): Meskanen/Holland/

Staal - ADA (RFA)
Skjei - Shattenkirk
Kylington - Pionk (RFA)
Manning
Injured: Claesson (RFA)
Callup(s): Lindgren/Hajek/Bigras

King Hank
Prince Cameron

Top New and/or Unsigned Prospects
Igor Shestyorkin (KHL)
Adam Huska (NCAA)
Tyler Wall (NCAA)
Olof Lindbom (SHL)

Adam Fox (NCAA)
K’Andre Miller (NCAA)
Nils Lundkvist (SHL)
Yegor Rykov (KHL)
Nico Gross (OHL)
Joey Keane (OHL)
Jacob Ragnarsson (Allsvenskan)
Calle Själin (Allsvenskan)
Tarmo Reunanen (Liiga)

Vitali Kravtsov (KHL)
Pierre Engvall (AHL)
Patrik Virta (KHL)
Morgan Barron (NCAA)
Riley Hughes (BCHL)

NYR Draft picks 2019
  • 1st round pick NYR
  • 1st round pick from Calgary
  • 1st round pick from TBL
  • 2nd round pick NYR
  • 2nd round pick from TBL
  • 3rd round pick NYR
  • 3rd round pick from Dallas
  • 5th round pick NYR
  • 6th round pick NYR

NYR Draft picks 2020
  • 1st round pick NYR
  • 2nd round pick NYR
  • 3rd round pick NYR
  • 3rd round pick from Buffalo (via Carolina)
  • 4th round pick NYR
  • 5th round pick NYR
  • 6th round pick NYR
  • 6th round pick from Dallas
  • 7th round pick NYR
  • 7th round pick from Nashville
“Anchor contracts” left
  • Ryan Strome - $3,100,000 - 1 year left
  • Brandon Manning - $2,250,000 - 1 year left
  • Zack Kassian - $1,950,000 - 1 year left
  • Matt Bellesky - $1,900,000 - 1 year left
  • Ryan Spooner - $900.000 (retained in trade) - 1 year left
  • Dan Girardi - $3,611,111 - 1 year left, then goes down to 1,111,111 for 3 years
  • Nathan Horton - $5,300,000 - 1 year left (placed on LTIR)
  • Henrik Lundqvist - $8,500,000 - 2 years left
  • Kevin Shattenkirk - $6,650,000 - 2 years left
  • Marc Staal - $5,750,000 - 2 years left
 
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ZuccsFluffierFluffer said:
Fiala
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At least @Trxjw since this is his brain child :laugh:
jas said:
I heard exactly what McKenzie said. I paraphrased it last night. The Rangers aren’t shopping Kreider, but are willing to listen. The cost will be high. Bob also said that Kreider fits in with what the Rangers are building. To be honest, the whole conversation reiterated what we’ve discussed here.
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And that’s exactly what Gorton should be doing with everyone, but it’s also important to have a framework for what this team will look like in 3 years with the current pieces you have. Like you said, we’ve already covered most of the bases in this discussion.
Off Sides said:
That at least to me would make some sense, however Brassard had some term left, I think 2 or 3 years.
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Yep, and I could see that as a reason why we’d get a younger professional (AHL/Europe) rather than an NHLer back. Kreids also has the toolkit that most GMs crave, so mayeb they’ll overlook the term for the type of player they’re acquiring. The money issue also played a big factor in the Brass deal for the Sens.
 
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jas said:
I heard exactly what McKenzie said. I paraphrased it last night. The Rangers aren’t shopping Kreider, but are willing to listen. The cost will be high. Bob also said that Kreider fits in with what the Rangers are building. To be honest, the whole conversation reiterated what we’ve discussed here.
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And we're right back to Stastny as a comparable, and the the whole prospect or a first conversation for Zucc.

It's funny when the outside world catches up to what's been discussed on here for months, or in Zucc's case, close to a year.
 
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Mac n Gs said:
And that’s exactly what Gorton should be doing with everyone, but it’s also important to have a framework for what this team will look like in 3 years with the current pieces you have. Like you said, we’ve already covered most of the bases in this.
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My gut feeling remains Kreider doesn’t get moved, and Rangers end up signing him long-term. Some of that may be wishful thinking, but, I really do not see a team capable of meeting Gorton’s price willing to pay that price.
 
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NYR Viper said:
Is it July 1?
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Yes. You can extend a player with term up to 1 year before their contract expires, which is July 1st.

If a player signed a 1-year deal, you cannot extend them until January 1st, I believe. It's to stop teams from signing a UFA to a 1-year deal, then immediately turn around and sign them to another, longer term deal, effectively circumventing the cap and term restrictions.
 


Minnesota is intriguing. Koivu tore his ACL on Tuesday night. Their 1st won’t be at the end of the first round.
 
Off Sides said:
I agree, I'm not sure I understand the Rangers plan with Kreider.

At the draft he is going to be worth which pick when draft picks are worth their most?

If they hold on to him until next deadline, and he has not yet signed an extension, he is going to have a ton of leverage to pretty much ask for whatever he could get as a UFA, maybe even ask for more than that.

I'm thinking the Rangers putting themselves in that position is shortsighted.

I mean what if he asks for 9M, 7 years, full NMC, are they going to sign it given their other option is a 1st and something?

The only way in my mind holding on to Kreider makes sense is if they've already worked out some extension, or his current return value is already pretty close to only a 1st and something.
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I agree. I actually read such open “maybe” talk to closer to a sign that they are actually shopping him. Trying to get the offers up by explicitly saying the kind of piece they’d want back.
 
Yeah Hayes will be the last guy to go. Most likely wont play those last 2 games prior to the TDL.

Hopefully we start to see more significant moves before that. They waited pretty long last year too.
 
Keep Kiiril Kaprizov in your prayers when Minnesota's name comes up.

But reading up on their new GM, it seems like he is realizing KKs value... I wouldn't do Hayes + Lias for Kaprizov and not think twice.
 
ZuccsFluffierFluffer said:
Yeah Hayes will be the last guy to go. Most likely wont play those last 2 games prior to the TDL.

Hopefully we start to see more significant moves before that. They waited pretty long last year too.
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Gorton is a patient man. Will probably wait until that weekend.

Though I think someone like McQuaid is likely to be moved early than later, since he's not bringing back big pieces. Zuccarello and Hayes will be the later ones.
 
I think it comes down to what people consider as a "building block" kind of player, and whether or not the Rangers are sold on this Kreider being the Kreider they're going to get for 5+ more years. He hasn't crossed the 30g mark yet. He seems like he will this season but we've seen him go cold before. Is he a $7M player for this team? Or is his long term value best served by selling high and continuing to restock the pool?
 
There are scary few drums beating to stir up interest in Shatty. Is his value improving?

I also think its underrated what a negative impact it has on the younger Ds to have someone like Shatty eat up the offensive minutes. Retain 50 and get him out of dodge.
 
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