Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXIX

[Kovalev27]

Disagree Hayes and Zucc were worth more with a year of control left easily.

By the way hartford making some moves today signing a forward to a PTO and bringing Nell back up so have 3 goalies with the club right now. Getting pieces in place looks like

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

This, I would assume, is posturing trying to get more for their rentals

100%

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Disagree Hayes and Zucc were worth more with a year of control left easily.

By the way hartford making some moves today signing a forward to a PTO and bringing Nell back up so have 3 goalies with the club right now. Getting pieces in place looks like

Some teams dont want another year of either of them, in fact most of the teams looking at him couldnt accommodate Hayes with another year on this contract. Teams like Winnipeg, Nashville, etc are shopping for cap deals.
I think spreading your picks over a couple years wont hurt down the road either.

 

[LORDE]

This rebuild has taught a lot about this board.

Team Tank and Team Anti-Tank both need to take a chill pill and step away from the ledge a bit. Every small piece of news drives some segment or another insane.

Quite true... guilty as charged.

 

[egelband]

Toronto still has their 2nd---also their 3rd. Their 1st is in LA. I wouldn't take anything less from the Leafs than the 3rd and I'd try to reach for more. If there are other teams interested we might get more if they have to have a big tough defenseman.

I suspect that Gorton would have to be bowled over by Toronto’s offer to pull that trigger. Just my guess, but I think he’d prefer to move McQuaid to a non-Central team. Unless the Bruins want him back, I see McQuaid moved “out west.”

 

[EpicDing]

 

[Placid]

Some teams dont want another year of either of them, in fact most of the teams looking at him couldnt accommodate Hayes with another year on this contract. Teams like Winnipeg, Nashville, etc are shopping for cap deals.
I think spreading your picks over a couple years wont hurt down the road either.

That is true of course. But teams who get a rental specifically to get a rental are rarely going to pay though the nose to get him. This is of course dependent on situation, "desperation level", etc. If its a stacked team that is "that one perceived piece short", price could skyrocket. But that is not usually the case.

 

[Ola]

The thing is, you cannot rebuild when staying competitive, and you cannot rebuild by sucking.

I know this will cause syntax error for some, but it’s not a question choosing one of two paths with the right one leading to a cup. There is no option that is likely to work. Let’s say the foundation for the coming 5 Cup winners already are sat and, just like Pittsburgh and Washington the last 3 years have won Cups on foundations built 9 and 10 years ago, 2 of the Cup winners in year 6-10 after that also will be on foundations already in place. So basically starting in 5 years we will have a 1/31 shot at winning. After about 20 years (15+5) we get a more than even shot.

All options must be seen against the background of that it’s a real long shot environment to start with.

I think we have a good starting point, being an organization with a ton of resources in an attractive location with some assets already on the roster. But completely just tearing things apart and being the joke of the league for a handful of years will still at best provide us with a long shot to win the Cup.

 

[TheTakedown]

I think they are timing it perfectly. Both players have done nothing but increase their value. Signing mcquaid allowed us to develop DeAngelo properly. He will get traded and recover the picks, basically a free player who seems to have helped Skjei.

I posted exactly this when we traded for him and nobody seemed to agree.

Oh, the irony.

 

[TheTakedown]

WTF DO THEY PAY YOU ALL SEASON FOR GORTS!!!

You ****ing goof... You should've been making that decision last offseason.

Lets play a game..... Last offseason:
- Hayes was one year removed from a shitty ass sophomore season, and had a year of RFA time left
- We had no clue Zibanejad was capable of this kind of play
- We had no idea if Andersson was Pettersson part 2
- We had no idea if Chytil was staying up with the team
^^^These last four questions are basically "Wtf is our center depth at this point?" individually bulletted for you
- We had no idea if Spooner was a 50+ point guy going forward
- We had no idea if Namestnikov was a 50+ point guy going forward
- We had no idea What DeAngelo was because AV severely limited his playing time
- We were unsure if Skjei's shitty ass 2017-18 season was a fluke (after the Shattenkirk signing)
- We didn't know if Hank could sustain the level of play he's at right now (I think he can but this is opinion)

We now have answers to all those questions, so now it's time to cross the Hayes bridge. You can't make up answers for those questions without seing what you have

 

[RangerBoy]

Do the Leafs want Kreider? The Leafs are playing the Bruins in the first round of the playoffs. I was listening to Leafs Lunch this morning and LeBrun was on. The Leafs might have to make a deal to match up with Boston.

Apparently, McQuaid to the Leafs isn't a possibility.



Dreger said the same thing last week about it not being the right fit.

Assuming that's accurate. The Leafs are interested in someone else on the Rangers. LeBrun said Gilman was looking at the Rangers.

The Leafs have Kapanen who would be a building block player for the Rangers. Kapanen will be a group II without arbitration rights this summer. He turns 23 in July. The Leafs are concerned about an offer sheet and Kapanen won't be cheap to re-sign. Kreider is signed through 2019-20 at $4.65M. The Leafs would have a better opportunity to win(beat Boston at the least) with Kreider than Kapanen.

The Leafs don't want to trade Sandin. They didn't want to move him for Muzzin. Would they move him in a Kreider deal? Liljegren needs a lot of work. I heard Craig Button on Leafs Lunch(it was either yesterday or last week)that Liljegren isn't ready for the NHL this season & he won't be ready next season either in his opinion.

The Leafs traded their 1st this June to LA in the Muzzin trade.

1st round pick in 2020 would work. The Rangers spread out the draft picks.

Kreider has an 11 team no trade list. Is Toronto on it? Would he waive it to win a Cup with Matthews?

Kapanen would fit nicely with the Rangers rebuild. Right handed shooting RW.

 

[Kovalev27]

Pionk to Toronto would make me giddy

By the way that Hartford move adding a third goalie. Anyone think Georgiev might be on the block? He’s been showcased recently. And let’s face it shesterkin isn’t coming here to play in the A.

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

Do the Leafs want Kreider? The Leafs are playing the Bruins in the first round of the playoffs. I was listening to Leafs Lunch this morning and LeBrun was on. The Leafs might have to make a deal to match up with Boston.

Apparently, McQuaid to the Leafs isn't a possibility.



Dreger said the same thing last week about it not being the right fit.

Assuming that's accurate. The Leafs are interested in someone else on the Rangers. LeBrun said Gilman was looking at the Rangers.

The Leafs have Kapanen who would be a building block player for the Rangers. Kapanen will be a group II without arbitration rights this summer. He turns 23 in July. The Leafs are concerned about an offer sheet and Kapanen won't be cheap to re-sign. Kreider is signed through 2019-20 at $4.65M. The Leafs would have a better opportunity to win(beat Boston at the least) with Kreider than Kapanen.

The Leafs don't want to trade Sandin. They didn't want to move him for Muzzin. Would they move him in a Kreider deal? Liljegren needs a lot of work. I heard Craig Button on Leafs Lunch(it was either yesterday or last week)that Liljegren isn't ready for the NHL this season & he won't be ready next season either in his opinion.

The Leafs traded their 1st this June to LA in the Muzzin trade.

1st round pick in 2020 would work. The Rangers spread out the draft picks.

Kreider has an 11 team no trade list. Is Toronto on it? Would he waive it to win a Cup with Matthews?

Kapanen would fit nicely with the Rangers rebuild. Right handed shooting RW.

To add on, Friedman has mentioned a few times after the Muzzin trade that any deal the Leafs make for the rest of the year has to be a wash money wise because they don’t want Marner or Matthews bonus’ to roll over to next seasons cap

 

[BBKers]

Was bored

Deadline Trades
Mats Zuccarello for Adam Fox and a 2020 3rd
Kevin Hayes for Oscar Kylington and a 2019 first
Chris Kreider at 50% + Adam McQuaid for William Nylander and Engvall
Bo Nieves and Pionk for Ryan Callahan, a decent fwd prospect and a 2nd in 2019 (conditions on the earlier 1st go away)
Kevin Shattenkirk at 50% to Dallas for Nishkushkin and a 2019 2nd rounder
Namestnikov, Vesey and Georgiev for Kassian, Manning, Pulujärvi and Cam Talbot. Maybe Oil add a pick.

Offseason - Pavel Buchnevich + nonroster asset for Alex Nylander

NYR “Team Tank” for 2020
W Nylander - Zib - A Nylander
Chytil - Kakko - Stone (signed as UFA)
Kravtsov - Howden - Pulujärvi
Nishkushkin/Kassian- Andersson/Strome - Fast

Gortons job to solve in the offseason
Callahan

Callup(s): Engvall/Meskanen/Gettinger/Fontaine/Bellesky/Virta/Gropp/2 vets

Staal - ADA
Skjei - Fox
Kylington - Claesson

Gortons job to solve in offseason
Manning
Smith

Callup(s): Raddysh/Lindgren/Hajek/Rykov/Crawley/Day/Vet

King Hank
Czar Igor

NYR Draft picks 2019

• 1st round pick NYR - Kaapo Kakko (C/RW)
• 1st round pick from Calgary - Albin Grewe (RW)
• 1st round pick from TBL - Yeger Afanseyev (RW)
• 2nd round pick NYR - Ilya Mironov (D)
• 2nd round pick from Dallas - Robert Mastrosimone (LW)
• 2nd round pick from TBL - Ethan Keppen (LW)
• 3rd round pick NYR - Tobias Björnfot (D)
• 5th round pick NYR - Trent Miner (G)
• 6th round pick NYR - Ethan Frisch (D)
• 7th round pick (trade for a 2020 7th) - Ethan Langevin (G)
• 7th round pick (trade for a 2020 7th) - Lucas Feuk (C)

Top New and/or Unsigned Prospects
Adam Huska (NCAA)
Tyler Wall (NCAA)
Olof Lindbom (SHL)
Trent Miner (WHL)
Ethan Langevin (OHL)

K’Andre Miller (NCAA)
Nils Lundkvist (SHL)
Ilya Mironov (KHL)
Tobias Björnfot (SHL)
Nico Gross (OHL)
Joey Keane (OHL)
Jacob Ragnarsson (Allsvenskan)
Ethan Frisch (USHL)
Calle Själin (Allsvenskan)
Tarmo Reunanen (Liiga)

Albin Grewe (SHL)
Yeger Afanseyev (KHL)
Robert Mastrosimone (USHL)
Ethan Keppen (OHL)
Morgan Barron (NCAA)
Riley Hughes (BCHL)
Lucas Feuk (Allsvenskan)

Sorry

 

[DanielBrassard]

Do the Leafs want Kreider? The Leafs are playing the Bruins in the first round of the playoffs. I was listening to Leafs Lunch this morning and LeBrun was on. The Leafs might have to make a deal to match up with Boston.

Apparently, McQuaid to the Leafs isn't a possibility.



Dreger said the same thing last week about it not being the right fit.

Assuming that's accurate. The Leafs are interested in someone else on the Rangers. LeBrun said Gilman was looking at the Rangers.

The Leafs have Kapanen who would be a building block player for the Rangers. Kapanen will be a group II without arbitration rights this summer. He turns 23 in July. The Leafs are concerned about an offer sheet and Kapanen won't be cheap to re-sign. Kreider is signed through 2019-20 at $4.65M. The Leafs would have a better opportunity to win(beat Boston at the least) with Kreider than Kapanen.

The Leafs don't want to trade Sandin. They didn't want to move him for Muzzin. Would they move him in a Kreider deal? Liljegren needs a lot of work. I heard Craig Button on Leafs Lunch(it was either yesterday or last week)that Liljegren isn't ready for the NHL this season & he won't be ready next season either in his opinion.

The Leafs traded their 1st this June to LA in the Muzzin trade.

1st round pick in 2020 would work. The Rangers spread out the draft picks.

Kreider has an 11 team no trade list. Is Toronto on it? Would he waive it to win a Cup with Matthews?

Kapanen would fit nicely with the Rangers rebuild. Right handed shooting RW.

Instead of trading Kreider for Kapanen, the Rangers should just offersheet him in the offseason, it will be almost impossible for the Leafs to match even at 4M per. Which is just a 2nd.

 

[wafflepadsave]

This, I would assume, is posturing trying to get more for their rentals

So don’t need to worry about anything till what say 2:45 or later on deadline day.

 

[RangerLifer]

The thing is, you cannot rebuild when staying competitive, and you cannot rebuild by sucking.

I know this will cause syntax error for some, but it’s not a question choosing one of two paths with the right one leading to a cup. There is no option that is likely to work. Let’s say the foundation for the coming 5 Cup winners already are sat and, just like Pittsburgh and Washington the last 3 years have won Cups on foundations built 9 and 10 years ago, 2 of the Cup winners in year 6-10 after that also will be on foundations already in place. So basically starting in 5 years we will have a 1/31 shot at winning. After about 20 years (15+5) we get a more than even shot.

All options must be seen against the background of that it’s a real long shot environment to start with.

I think we have a good starting point, being an organization with a ton of resources in an attractive location with some assets already on the roster. But completely just tearing things apart and being the joke of the league for a handful of years will still at best provide us with a long shot to win the Cup.

I think I like this comment, but...

 

[NYRKING30]

Gorton's comments is exactly what I said in #261 earlier today.

If you'll allow me, here's my take on what will happen..

Zucc stays, and they agree on a new contract. They don't have to finish a deal and make it official before the TDL, if there's one guy they can trust it's Zucc. He's also more of a leader than Hayes is, and he comes cheaper. Coaches and teammates want Zucc to stay, Hank even went public to say that.

I think Hayes goes at the TDL. Gorton probably wants to keep him, but as he said, it's all about costs. Perhaps Hayes also takes a discount, who knows.

Finally I think a couple of other guys will be involved in a trade, not discussed so much. We could probably see some surprise moves.

Yeah, I mean Hank was supposed to say" Get this guy off the team immediately". When has any player ever went public to say he wants his teammate traded? Does common sense exist in your universe? #TickTock

 

[Ola]

I think I like this comment, but...

In short, we have one side, let’s call them A, and another side, let’s call them B, arguing different paths to get to the goal, the big C.

The thing is — it’s very easy to make it plausible that A will not work as well as it’s easy to make it plausible that B will not work. But often it sounds like ‘if we only would...’ do X we will win a Cup.

 

[Fitzy]

I'm confused as to why were wanting to trade a 24 year old promising NHL blueliner who is still developing.

I get why the corsi cult does, but not anyone else.

 

[Trxjw]

I like Kapanen. I wanted the Rangers to get him last year before he took off. That being said, I'm not sure I consider him a building block. I think he's getting boosted a bit but the guys he's playing with.

 

[Ola]

How does Kapanen’s scoring look given the strong offensive environment he has been in?

 

[Vinny DeAngelo]

It should have been done last summer. Instead we kept them and Spooner and namestnikov so that we could make sure we stayed out of the bottom 5. Terrible job by gorton. Throw in signing McQuaid so we could block DeAngelo for half the games.

TRADING FOR McQuaid******************

Remember Gorts now has to atleast re-coup the same assets we lost to get him

 

[Fitzy]

If we're lucky Kapanen might become as good as Kreider!

 

[NYRKING30]

We need to keep gaining assets, you never know who's going to be available in the offseason or a couple of years down the road. Tampa,WPG,Toronto all have major decisions coming. Maybe we should keep rooting for Edmonton to lose, if they do, i'd be willing to bet that McDavid doesn't last his contract in Edmonton.