Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXIX
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GeorgeKaplan
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Tell me what player we’ve had that’s ever been close to Ovechkin (even at 32)
eco's bones
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Toronto still has their 2nd---also their 3rd. Their 1st is in LA. I wouldn't take anything less from the Leafs than the 3rd and I'd try to reach for more. If there are other teams interested we might get more if they have to have a big tough defenseman.
I can guarantee you that if Ovechkin were a Ranger for 12 years and didn't win a Cup, this board would have run him out of town. His name would have come up in every possible trade scenario for whatever 19 year old was drafted the year before.
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Not that it will happen, but at this point if they don't move Hayes and Zucc it would be considered a disaster for me
It's not that he's not a great player, he 100% is. Maybe one of the greatest ever. It's that it took him 13 years and how many playoff choke jobs to win a Cup? People here would have been calling him a choker, over the hill, he's washed up, and screaming to trade him for a younger player who for sure would win them a championship. You see it with the flack Lundqvist gets.
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It should have been done last summer. Instead we kept them and Spooner and namestnikov so that we could make sure we stayed out of the bottom 5. Terrible job by gorton. Throw in signing McQuaid so we could block DeAngelo for half the games.
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I can guarantee had Ovechkin been here, we would have won a cup.
Maybe Several.
Reminder of who owns top round picks in '19:
Two 2nd rounders Canes, Habs, Sharks, Wings,
Three 3rd rounders Knights
Two 3rd rounders Yotes Avs Oils Flys Devils
Two 4th rounders Habs Hawks Flames Preds Leafs. Also of note, Bruins have our 4th rounder from Mcquaid trade.
Three 5th rounders Wings
Two 5th rounders Hawks Habs Knights Wild
Two 2nd rounders Canes, Habs, Sharks, Wings,
Three 3rd rounders Knights
Two 3rd rounders Yotes Avs Oils Flys Devils
Two 4th rounders Habs Hawks Flames Preds Leafs. Also of note, Bruins have our 4th rounder from Mcquaid trade.
Three 5th rounders Wings
Two 5th rounders Hawks Habs Knights Wild
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Gorton's comments is exactly what I said in #261 earlier today.
If you'll allow me, here's my take on what will happen..
Zucc stays, and they agree on a new contract. They don't have to finish a deal and make it official before the TDL, if there's one guy they can trust it's Zucc. He's also more of a leader than Hayes is, and he comes cheaper. Coaches and teammates want Zucc to stay, Hank even went public to say that.
I think Hayes goes at the TDL. Gorton probably wants to keep him, but as he said, it's all about costs. Perhaps Hayes also takes a discount, who knows.
Finally I think a couple of other guys will be involved in a trade, not discussed so much. We could probably see some surprise moves.
If you'll allow me, here's my take on what will happen..
Zucc stays, and they agree on a new contract. They don't have to finish a deal and make it official before the TDL, if there's one guy they can trust it's Zucc. He's also more of a leader than Hayes is, and he comes cheaper. Coaches and teammates want Zucc to stay, Hank even went public to say that.
I think Hayes goes at the TDL. Gorton probably wants to keep him, but as he said, it's all about costs. Perhaps Hayes also takes a discount, who knows.
Finally I think a couple of other guys will be involved in a trade, not discussed so much. We could probably see some surprise moves.
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Gorton traded McDonagh, Miller, Nash, Grabner, and Holden around and at the deadline last season. That's a top-pairing D, a bottom-pairing D, two top-6 Fs, and a top-9 F.
Our roster was gutted, so yeah, he kept Spooner and Namestnikov. You have to have someone who can handle the minutes after so many departures. You can't just throw your youngsters to the wolves. That's how you end up like EDM, ARI, and BUF, ruining players in a losing environment with no accountability because there's no one there to push them for a spot.
We'd be Oilers East if you had your way.
Riddle me this: Why haven't we run Lundqvist out of town yet? He's been here longer than 12 years too.
Edit: Saw your other post. Lundqvist has always had a group here that wanted him out. But the majority of the fanbase, or 1/2 the fanbase isn't trying to run him out of town for not winning a Cup.
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Imagine Ovechkin and Jagr on the opposite side of the PP?
Though the Rangers probably don't get Montoya in this scenario.
Well, you can't. Fans don't dictate what teams do. So if that's what you took from my post, let's just forget it.
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And in my opinion that's a good thing. he needs to put the league on notice that they're not going to get away with fleecing the Rangers of these players. we will keep them if need be. Its called leverage.
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I think they are timing it perfectly. Both players have done nothing but increase their value. Signing mcquaid allowed us to develop DeAngelo properly. He will get traded and recover the picks, basically a free player who seems to have helped Skjei.
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Also fair to say Stepan’s game shouldn’t decline as steeply as the other two. I was happy with the trade, but I agree Stepan was way earlier in his career arc when traded.
That's what you posted. And it's wrong.
You're assuming the Rebuild Crowd would move any aged player on our team. That's not true. When we were legit contenders, I didn't mind signing players, trading players, and trying to win.
As a rebuilding team though, my stance has changed drastically. I don't want Panarin. Stone. Or EK. I want to see us stay the course and build from within before hiring mercenaries to enormous contracts.
We don't know what weaknesses this team will have when they're ready to compete, but you want to lock up a guy @ 10M+ X 7 years in July. You do that when he's a missing piece.
5 years ago we went to the finals without an offensive player even half as good as ovechkin. so if he was a ranger he would have won a cup 5 years sooner
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The age of decline has lowered substantially over the last 5 or 6 years. The league is built on speed and youth now.
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