Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXII

[Edge]

What reporter verified the choking allegation? Publicly or privately? If privately, who do they write for?

You want me to name them in this forum?

Not happening.

I'll happily share with a mod though.

 

[Kocur Dill]

The moon landing wasn’t real.

Michael Stipe told us so.

 

[Kocur Dill]

It is almost a necessary bet to make because of the cap situation: they need to try to maximize these guys while they are cheap. They can't wait and see anymore. I absolutely hate it, and didn't think that what we saw from Kakko, Chytil, Laf, Miller and Krav last year foretells them to break out and lead the team to the playoffs in 2021-2022; the teams around them are too seasoned, the metro is hell on earth. They needed at least one full, non bullshit year to f***ing learn.

Trial by fire baby. One way or another, it separates the weak from the strong.

 

[Avery16]

You want me to name them in this forum?

Not happening.

I'll happily share with a mod though.

I wasn't sure if you were citing insider info or a published story. It certainly makes a difference if the reporter works for blueshirtsbanter or blueseatsblog instead of a major daily.

 

[East Coast Bias]

How long are we gonna do the Tony D truther shit?

the f***ing guy was redundant anyway. He was gone this off-season one way or the other. It is what it is.

 

[Avery16]

And here's the whole part for context:

“I don’t want to elaborate on what happened. I just want to keep it in the past,” Georgiev said in his first public statements since the incident, which led to DeAngelo’s expulsion from the Rangers. “Emotions happened, and that’s all I can say.
“I wish Tony the best moving forward.”
It is well established that DeAngelo made a disparaging comment to Georgiev as the Rangers left the ice following the Penguins’ 5-4 overtime victory, during which the goaltender had hardly been at his best. Georgiev responded with a punch to the defenseman with his blocker before K’Andre Miller broke up the scuffle.

So even Georgiev isn't going into detail about what happened and Brooks is summarizing.

There's nothing in there that isn't part of the larger story that was relayed by both someone within the organization and someone else who was there.

I'm not exactly sure what we're debating about with ADA. He did what he did. It was the last of several actions, for which he was already on probation, and he was gone from the team. Other teams expressed interest, did not like what they were seeing when delving into his behavior before, during and after the incident, and he sat on the sidelines.

There's nothing left to debate with ADA. He's gone, we move on, the world keeps turning.

It just bothers me when people suggest something out of whole cloth like "DeAngelo is in the KKK and relentlessly hazed a Black rookie" or "DeAngelo viciously choked a backup goaltender without provocation". No one credible reported these things.

DeAngelo has personal flaws and it cost him -and us- a lot. That's enough. It's not necessary to sensationalize it.

 

[Edge]

I wasn't sure if you were citing insider info or a published story. It certainly makes a difference if the reporter works for blueshirtsbanter or blueseatsblog instead of a major daily.

No she/he is known. I also confirmed with a PR person who was there.

I'm a little late to whatever conversations were taking place earlier, but there are some things worth clarifying.

The entire altercation was probably 10-15 seconds from start to finish, and that includes chirping and people going back to the locker room.

My memory is a little fuzzy at this point, but I don't think ADA actually choked him, so much as he went to choke him when he pinned him against the wall. My understanding was that it was forearm as opposed to a Homer Simpson-like strangle.

ADA had his challenges, but he wasn't hated by teammates. From all reports, he can be a funny guy and bring fire to the locker room. The problem is sometimes knowing when enough is enough.

Nobody wins in the ADA situation. Not the players, not the team, no one. It would've been great if it never happened.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

No she/he is known. I also confirmed with a PR person who was there.

I'm a little late to whatever conversations were taking place earlier, but there are some things worth clarifying.

The entire altercation was probably 10-15 seconds from start to finish, and that includes chirping and people going back to the locker room.

My memory is a little fuzzy at this point, but I don't think ADA actually choked him, so much as he went to choke him when he pinned him. My understanding was that it was forum as opposed to a Homer Simpson-like strangle.

ADA had his challenges, but he wasn't hated by teammates. From all reports, he can be a funny guy and bring fire to the locker room. The problem is sometimes knowing when enough is enough.

Nobody wins in the ADA situation. Not the players, not the team, no one. It would've been great if it never happened.

I'll switch this up with some fresh content - When are the Rangers trading for Eichel

 

[Edge]

It just bothers me when people suggest something out of whole cloth like "DeAngelo is in the KKK and relentlessly hazed a Black rookie" or "DeAngelo viciously choked a backup goaltender without provocation". No one credible reported these things.

DeAngelo has personal flaws and it cost him -and us- a lot. That's enough. It's not necessary to sensationalize it.

That is correct. Unfortunately, some of ADA's alleged behavior after the fact didn't do him in any favors and some of that leaking out is probably why people are ret-conning other actions.

But to your point, no ADA is not with the KKK. And no ADA didn't choke out the goalie.

 

[TheDirtyH]

It is almost a necessary bet to make because of the cap situation: they need to try to maximize these guys while they are cheap. They can't wait and see anymore. I absolutely hate it, and didn't think that what we saw from Kakko, Chytil, Laf, Miller and Krav last year foretells them to break out and lead the team to the playoffs in 2021-2022; the teams around them are too seasoned, the metro is hell on earth. They needed at least one full, non bullshit year to f***ing learn.

Well exactly, we need to. But that's not exclusively about while these guys are cheap, because if they aren't any good, they're not going to be that expensive at any point.

I think having dependably good goaltending is a huge asset and does more to make a team competitive than most anything else singly. They obviously have huge firepower and the best defenseman in the league, meaning that for twenty five minutes a night, the Rangers can ice the best six players as a unit against just about any opponent.

Lafreniere and Kakko don't have to be superstars as early as next year for this team to explode. We don't need a second norris worthy youngster in Miller. As long as we can get three or four excellent middle six forwards and a decent top four defenseman out of that group, adding them to a much improved bottom nine and bottom pair would be enough IMO to put this team into the playoffs, and maybe to surprise there. I also don't think that's unrealistic to imagine out of the names you mentioned.

 

[Edge]

I'll switch this up with some fresh content - When are the Rangers trading for Eichel

"Rock-a-bye baby,
on the tree top,
when the price drops,
the talks will resume."

 

[Avery16]

No she/he is known. I also confirmed with a PR person who was there.

I'm a little late to whatever conversations were taking place earlier, but there are some things worth clarifying.

The entire altercation was probably 10-15 seconds from start to finish, and that includes chirping and people going back to the locker room.

My memory is a little fuzzy at this point, but I don't think ADA actually choked him, so much as he went to choke him when he pinned him. My understanding was that it was forum as opposed to a Homer Simpson-like strangle.

ADA had his challenges, but he wasn't hated by teammates. From all reports, he can be a funny guy and bring fire to the locker room. The problem is sometimes knowing when enough is enough.

Nobody wins in the ADA situation. Not the players, not the team, no one. It would've been great if it never happened.

I also share the opinion that FO shot themselves in the foot about as bad as DeAngelo did with their "won't play another game as a Ranger" line in the sand. Even after Georgiev, DeAngelo was a tradeable asset. It was textbook mismanagement to tank his value unnecessarily.

 

[Edge]

I also share the opinion that FO shot themselves in the foot about as bad as DeAngelo did with their "won't play another game as a Ranger" line in the sand. Even after Georgiev, DeAngelo was a tradeable asset. It was textbook mismanagement to tank his value unnecessarily.

From everything I can see, it didn't matter. ADA was cooked the minute any team did their due diligence on him.

For example, there was apparently accounts highly suspected of being linked to him, or confirmed to be linked to him, in which he engaged with fans and other members of the public and used very inappropriate language related to sexual preference, ethnicity and gender.

That is why he was pretty much f***ed. All Gorton and JD did was remove the mystery as to whether he'd be coming back.

 

[DialUp]

It's not necessary to sensationalize it.

Eh, people love drama as long as it doesn't directly involve them.
I can't say I know the guy (was "interviewed" by him once), but his public persona, to me, is similar to outer-borough blue collar mentality I grew up around: unfiltered mouth (negative), super USA and "tradition" proud (can get toxic), but will run into a burning building to save a stranger (teammates love him). He is gone because it made the org look bad.

 

[Edge]

Eh, people love drama as long as it doesn't directly involve them.
I can't say I know the guy (was "interviewed" by him once), but his public persona, to me, is similar to outer-borough blue collar mentality I grew up around: unfiltered mouth (negative), super USA and "tradition" proud (can get toxic), but will run into a burning building to save a stranger (teammates love him). He is gone because it made the org look bad.

Reports seem to be that ADA is like the c0-worker who is fun enough, but after two or three beers begins to rub people the wrong way.

Yeah, some of it is making an organization look bad. But the concerns behind that are also pretty valid.

Remember, the altercation was the final straw, not the first.

 

[romba]

I'm not exactly sure what we're debating about with ADA.

I suggested the fight wasn’t just any old ‘let em’ work it out’ fight which others tried to pass it off as, and I used the choking attempt as evidence. It spiralled from there. Time to move on like you said.

 

[Edge]

I suggested the fight wasn’t just any old ‘let me’ work it out’ fight which others tried to pass it off as, and I used the choking attempt as evidence. It spiralled from there. Time to move on like you said.

There was...unease heading into that situation. And Trouba was one of the players who tried to intervene before we ever got to the ADA-Georgiev incident.

 

[DialUp]

Well exactly, we need to. But that's not exclusively about while these guys are cheap, because if they aren't any good, they're not going to be that expensive at any point.

I think having dependably good goaltending is a huge asset and does more to make a team competitive than most anything else singly. They obviously have huge firepower and the best defenseman in the league, meaning that for twenty five minutes a night, the Rangers can ice the best six players as a unit against just about any opponent.

Lafreniere and Kakko don't have to be superstars as early as next year for this team to explode. We don't need a second norris worthy youngster in Miller. As long as we can get three or four excellent middle six forwards and a decent top four defenseman out of that group, adding them to a much improved bottom nine and bottom pair would be enough IMO to put this team into the playoffs, and maybe to surprise there. I also don't think that's unrealistic to imagine out of the names you mentioned.

It would be a runaway success if this team can make the playoffs coming out of the Metro (and not only for the Rangers). Our division is stacked with 4 other good teams, with the potential for 5 if my prediction of Philly rebounding comes true. There will be one or two GOOD, deserving teams who won't make the playoffs out of the Metro.

Looking forward to seeing it all unfold, but I won't be disappointed regardless of standings unless there's no growth or Gallant is terrible.

 

[TheDirtyH]

It would be a runaway success if this team can make the playoffs coming out of the Metro (and not only for the Rangers). Our division is stacked with 4 other good teams, with the potential for 5 if my prediction of Philly rebounding comes true. There will be one or two GOOD, deserving teams who won't make the playoffs out of the Metro.

Looking forward to seeing it all unfold, but I won't be disappointed regardless of standings unless there's no growth or Gallant is terrible.

Yeah I'm not expecting anything, because anything could happen, but the Metro has a lot of teams that are getting older and worse, and probably just the Canes and the Rangers that are good bets to have big leaps internally. Obviously Buffalo and NJD or even Columbus do too, but they were a lot worse last year. The Rangers had a lot go wrong and finished 5th. What if this season not a lot goes wrong even if it doesn't go amazingly?

 

[bigdog16]

Reports seem to be that ADA is like the c0-worker who is fun enough, but after two or three beers begins to rub people the wrong way.

Yeah, some of it is making an organization look bad. But the concerns behind that are also pretty valid.

Remember, the altercation was the final straw, not the first.

Soooooo basically like 90% of people from NJ

 

[RGY]

"Rock-a-bye baby,
on the tree top,
when the price drops,
the talks will resume."

Wish there was more to this to spice up the offseason

 

[EdJovanovski]

It would be a runaway success if this team can make the playoffs coming out of the Metro (and not only for the Rangers). Our division is stacked with 4 other good teams, with the potential for 5 if my prediction of Philly rebounding comes true. There will be one or two GOOD, deserving teams who won't make the playoffs out of the Metro.

Looking forward to seeing it all unfold, but I won't be disappointed regardless of standings unless there's no growth or Gallant is terrible.

Are they really that good?

Islanders are a well coached defensive team but with less skill than us
Pittsburgh & Washington’s best days are behind them
Carolina is probably on par with us
The Devils & Flyers aren’t very good
Columbus is brutal

In the prediction thread I took us finishing 5th (final WC spot) but I wouldn’t be completely shocked if we won the division. We have the best winger in the league, the best defenseman in the league & the best goalie in the league

 

[Edge]

Soooooo basically like 90% of people from NJ

I think one of the challenges we sometimes have is that we tend to view people as all bad or all good. The reality is that most people aren't that one-dimensional.

Someone can be a fun to be around 80 percent of the time, but the 20 percent makes it tough. Good people also have flaws, and not-so-good people are strangely capable of having their moments.

 

[DialUp]

Are they really that good?

Islanders are a well coached defensive team but with less skill than us
Pittsburgh & Washington’s best days are behind them
Carolina is probably on par with us
The Devils & Flyers aren’t very good
Columbus is brutal

In the prediction thread I took us finishing 5th (final WC spot) but I wouldn’t be completely shocked if we won the division. We have the best winger in the league, the best defenseman in the league & the best goalie in the league

My opinion, your points on the other teams above are their worse case, though I don't hate your ultimate prediction . Truth will lie somewhere in the middle, and even that middle will be a more competitive, dogfight division in relation to the rest of the league. I think the Metro's record, especially against West teams, will be very good.

 

[mas0764]

No she/he is known. I also confirmed with a PR person who was there.

I'm a little late to whatever conversations were taking place earlier, but there are some things worth clarifying.

The entire altercation was probably 10-15 seconds from start to finish, and that includes chirping and people going back to the locker room.

My memory is a little fuzzy at this point, but I don't think ADA actually choked him, so much as he went to choke him when he pinned him against the wall. My understanding was that it was forearm as opposed to a Homer Simpson-like strangle.

ADA had his challenges, but he wasn't hated by teammates. From all reports, he can be a funny guy and bring fire to the locker room. The problem is sometimes knowing when enough is enough.

Nobody wins in the ADA situation. Not the players, not the team, no one. It would've been great if it never happened.

He would have been a hell of a trade chip.