Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXII

[Fitzy]

I’m 99% sure it’s not Tony.

However, I’m also 99% sure it’s either a family member or a friend.

Then they need to shut up as well.

 

[Tob]

My pet theory is that it's Brendan Lemieux.

 

[Thirty One]

My pet theory is that it's Brendan Lemieux.

My theory is that it's some random who discovered that it's very easy to get people to believe what they already wanted to believe.

 

[pld459666]

The DeAngelo buy out was a decision that was carried far wider than just JD and Gorton. He literally fought a teammate. That's not something that gets shoved under the carpet when the GM leaves.

Guys have fought each other countless times in the NHL.

Both guys needed to get over themselves and the brass didn't need to pamper either side.

Are we really that afraid of conflict?

Holy shit

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Guys have fought each other countless times in the NHL.

Both guys needed to get over themselves and the brass didn't need to pamper either side.

Are we really that afraid of conflict?

Holy shit

It wasn't just the one incident. This was the final straw for DeAngelo, clearly stated in the press conference at the time.

 

[Barnaby]

Was drafting Othmann a 200 IQ move by Drury so that we trade him at a higher value to Buffalo once they select Shane Wright? The two are best friends and I’m sure Buffalo could use some good locker room chemistry for once. That’d be the only reason I like the pick, other than that, still really dislike it

The moon landing wasn’t real.

 

[Tob]

Guys have fought each other countless times in the NHL.

Both guys needed to get over themselves and the brass didn't need to pamper either side.

Are we really that afraid of conflict?

Holy shit

My theory on why Gorton waived Tony instead of going about it quietly was to send a message to the team because the room didn't respond to Tony's insubordinate attitude toward the coaching staff the way management wanted and Quinn needed. Quinn couldn't handle Tony. The room liked Tony. Even on the day Gorton was saying "Tony has played his last game as a Ranger", you had Troubs saying something about the team being ready to have Tony back, he's a big part of the team, great on the PP.

 

[Tob]

My theory is that it's some random who discovered that it's very easy to get people to believe what they already wanted to believe.

was it you?

 

[TheDirtyH]

They would have been fine in the north. I think they would have run into similar problems in the West and the Central.


JG's comments were BS though. They didn't stop from adding grit/toughness last year because they wanted to throw the kids out there. The kids were barely used for the most part even with out it. He could have easily added some sandpaper last offseason by off loading some prospects/picks, dipping into UFA and/or using roster pieces. He could have easily gotten a 13th F/8th D tough guy at the deadline for next to nothing to keep around just incase something happened (and as we know, it did.)

I don't think it was an oversight on his part, he just chose not to address this last year and ultimately that along with other things, ended up costing him his job.

His vision was always a bit confusing. He spent a shit load of money after bottoming out for a year, had a team that looked like it was well ahead of schedule, won the draft lottery and then did.... nothing? It would have made all the sense in the world to shuffle a few pieces around last off season.

I've always thought the 'Wilson Offseason' story was missing the real point. Of the moves Drury has made this summer, only getting Reaves can be directly linked to Wilson, otherwise, I think the difference between Drury (and likely Dolan/Sather) and Gorton comes in exactly that word: vision. Our current FO clearly sees the Rangers as closer to competing than the last one did, and where Gorton wanted to wait until the price was right, Drury overpaid to put together a roster that made sense in that context.

Our offseason boils down to taking a step Gorton didn't yet take, and that wasn't toughness, not exclusively or even prominently. It was to get a coach with a playoff track record, sign and acquire competent bottom six/role players, and evacuate the top six of a player who while valuable was creating a roadblock at his position.

Drury is making a bet that Lafreniere and Kakko are ready to take a huge step. He's making a bet that with reliable players in the bottom six, this team can cohere in a way that makes sense and compete consistently over the course of 82 games and in the playoffs. You can feel that Gorton's approach was right and that waiting for better market environments made more sense, but that doesn't make the offseason this clown show of losing good players and adding bad ones. It's a silly and shallow take.

 

[Thirty One]

was it you?

No, but the next one you see will be me.

 

[Tob]

No, but the next one you see will be me.

you can barely handle 1 Twitter account. I'll believe it when I see it.

 

[Thirty One]

you can barely handle 1 Twitter account. I'll believe it when I see it.

I have 5 Twitter accounts. One just follows amateur pornography accounts.

 

[NoQuitInNewMexico]

My pet theory is that it's Brendan Lemieux.

@RickCarpiniello

 

[SA16]

I’m 99% sure it’s not Tony.

However, I’m also 99% sure it’s either a family member or a friend.

Its almost certainly just some random fan. Wouldn’t surprise me if it was that @SA16 guy to be honest…

 

[DialUp]

I've always thought the 'Wilson Offseason' story was missing the real point. Of the moves Drury has made this summer, only getting Reaves can be directly linked to Wilson, otherwise, I think the difference between Drury (and likely Dolan/Sather) and Gorton comes in exactly that word: vision. Our current FO clearly sees the Rangers as closer to competing than the last one did, and where Gorton wanted to wait until the price was right, Drury overpaid to put together a roster that made sense in that context.

Our offseason boils down to taking a step Gorton didn't yet take, and that wasn't toughness, not exclusively or even prominently. It was to get a coach with a playoff track record, sign and acquire competent bottom six/role players, and evacuate the top six of a player who while valuable was creating a roadblock at his position.

Drury is making a bet that Lafreniere and Kakko are ready to take a huge step. He's making a bet that with reliable players in the bottom six, this team can cohere in a way that makes sense and compete consistently over the course of 82 games and in the playoffs . You can feel that Gorton's approach was right and that waiting for better market environments made more sense, but that doesn't make the offseason this clown show of losing good players and adding bad ones. It's a silly and shallow take.

It is almost a necessary bet to make because of the cap situation: they need to try to maximize these guys while they are cheap. They can't wait and see anymore. I absolutely hate it, and didn't think that what we saw from Kakko, Chytil, Laf, Miller and Krav last year foretells them to break out and lead the team to the playoffs in 2021-2022; the teams around them are too seasoned, the metro is hell on earth. They needed at least one full, non bullshit year to f***ing learn.

 

[Avery16]

The DeAngelo buy out was a decision that was carried far wider than just JD and Gorton. He literally fought a teammate. That's not something that gets shoved under the carpet when the GM leaves.

Fighting assumes two active participants. Someone taking a swing at a loudmouth isn't a fight.

 

[Avery16]

I can't believe people are still talking about TDA and some still wondering why he had to be bought out. I love the phrase teammates always fight. This is being totally clueless. TDA has exhausted his welcome on this team. I will avoid using the normal phrase but he was a sickness to this team. He had alienated too many in the locker room. He caused his own demise. Time to move on from this ridiculous conversation.

The problem is Gorton, who knows a lot better than anyone here, said the opposite.

 

[Avery16]

I see alot of 'teamates fight all the time!'. Sure punches back and forth (which Geo threw). But how often does one of them choke the other, which is what TDA supposedly did after Geo threw a punch at him? I doubt he would have let up until Geo passed out until teammates intervened. Just a friendly choking, sure, nothing to see here.

This was suggested by I believe only @Edge, and not by any reporter, player, or team official. Many of these other sources provided a good amount of detail on the incident. It seems unlikely that they'd all withhold this one detail, and no one else would leak it, if it actually happened. It'd have to be a conspiracy.

 

[Lays]

Since you all asked- this was a few hours before the deal was finalized

Why tf would Tony tweet at the Canes account as if the intern running that would fax the tweet right to Don Waddell and Tom Dundon? How dense are some of you, truly?

 

[Lays]

The problem is Gorton, who knows a lot better than anyone here, said the opposite.

And not to mention TDA was at Skjei’s wedding and was seen hanging out with pretty much every former Ranger/current Ranger that was there. Shatty, Vesey, Skjei, Smith etc. were all pictured hanging out with Tony and some of those guys including Skjei were apart of the leadership group here. It’s pretty clear that Tony was well liked in the locker room by the most but could be a dickhead at times. I have had friends similar to that where they do too much sometimes and love starting shit so they’re always in and out of the friend group

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I've always thought the 'Wilson Offseason' story was missing the real point. Of the moves Drury has made this summer, only getting Reaves can be directly linked to Wilson, otherwise, I think the difference between Drury (and likely Dolan/Sather) and Gorton comes in exactly that word: vision. Our current FO clearly sees the Rangers as closer to competing than the last one did, and where Gorton wanted to wait until the price was right, Drury overpaid to put together a roster that made sense in that context.

Our offseason boils down to taking a step Gorton didn't yet take, and that wasn't toughness, not exclusively or even prominently. It was to get a coach with a playoff track record, sign and acquire competent bottom six/role players, and evacuate the top six of a player who while valuable was creating a roadblock at his position.

Drury is making a bet that Lafreniere and Kakko are ready to take a huge step. He's making a bet that with reliable players in the bottom six, this team can cohere in a way that makes sense and compete consistently over the course of 82 games and in the playoffs. You can feel that Gorton's approach was right and that waiting for better market environments made more sense, but that doesn't make the offseason this clown show of losing good players and adding bad ones. It's a silly and shallow take.

It's an opinion that everyone who currently has it is going to pretend that they never had once the season starts. I say this as someone who only liked one contract that they handed out this summer (Lindgren) and was okay with another (Nemith), disliked the Goodrow contract, really hate the Shesterkin one and didn't love the return for Buchnevich (though I'd wager that we will ALL be glad that we didn't sign him to the deal he just signed for. There is so much regression waiting for him next year that already started at the tail end of last season. He'll still be good, but not 6 million/yr good.)

I didn't like Gorton's approach last off season. I didn't really like his approach the off season before it either since he was trying to accelerate a process that hadn't even gotten on the ground yet (which was saved by a global pandemic and a ping pong ball. ) I would have realllly hated that DQ would still be the HC of this team if JG were still here (the coaching change alone would have resulted in an improvement this coming season.) All in all he should have gotten the chance to clean his "mess" but there never should have been a mess to begin with.

I never understood the whole "RANGERS ARE IMPATIENT NOW ARR!" bs. Handing out big contracts to Panarin, Trouba and Kreider are the exact opposite of what a patient rebuilding team would do. Drury and Co., as you said, are just pushing this process along and they still have a pretty loaded deck of prospects and young players that they can use to fill needs as they see fit. I hope they make the right ones.

 

[Fitzy]

Why tf would Tony tweet at the Canes account as if the intern running that would fax the tweet right to Don Waddell and Tom Dundon? How dense are some of you, truly?

Well, I know for a fact that I'm buoyant in freshwater, but I feel like some of that can be attributed to the oxygen in my lungs, which can't really count as part of my body, so I'm not 100% certain.

 

[Edge]

This was suggested by I believe only @Edge, and not by any reporter, player, or team official. Many of these other sources provided a good amount of detail on the incident. It seems unlikely that they'd all withhold this one detail, and no one else would leak it, if it actually happened. It'd have to be a conspiracy.

That's what I got. Verified by someone with the team and also by a reporter.

To the best of my knowledge, no one has really gone into details on the altercation. I do believe the pinning and attempt to choke came up earlier in the coverage, but at this point I can't recall where exactly.

No conspiracy here, just not a lot of details floating around in the public.

But we've pretty much covered most of it at this point. It's time to move on for both parties.

 

[Avery16]

That's what I got. Verified by someone with the team and also by a reporter.

To the best of my knowledge, no one has really gone into details on the altercation. I do believe the pinning and attempt to choke came up earlier in the coverage, but at this point I can't recall where exactly.

No conspiracy here, just not a lot of details floating around in the public.

Per Brooks in Rangers' Alex Georgiev addresses Tony DeAngelo tussle :

It is well established that DeAngelo made a disparaging comment to Georgiev as the Rangers left the ice following the Penguins’ 5-4 overtime victory, during which the goaltender had hardly been at his best. Georgiev responded with a punch to the defenseman with his blocker before K’Andre Miller broke up the scuffle.

What reporter verified the choking allegation? Publicly or privately? If privately, who do they write for?

 

[Edge]

Rangers' Alex Georgiev addresses Tony DeAngelo tussle

And here's the whole part for context:

“I don’t want to elaborate on what happened. I just want to keep it in the past,” Georgiev said in his first public statements since the incident, which led to DeAngelo’s expulsion from the Rangers. “Emotions happened, and that’s all I can say.
“I wish Tony the best moving forward.”
It is well established that DeAngelo made a disparaging comment to Georgiev as the Rangers left the ice following the Penguins’ 5-4 overtime victory, during which the goaltender had hardly been at his best. Georgiev responded with a punch to the defenseman with his blocker before K’Andre Miller broke up the scuffle.

So even Georgiev isn't going into detail about what happened and Brooks is summarizing.

There's nothing in there that isn't part of the larger story that was relayed by both someone within the organization and someone else who was there.

I'm not exactly sure what we're debating about with ADA. He did what he did. It was the last of several actions, for which he was already on probation, and he was gone from the team. Other teams expressed interest, did not like what they were seeing when delving into his behavior before, during and after the incident, and he sat on the sidelines.

There's nothing left to debate with ADA. He's gone, we move on, the world keeps turning.