Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXII

[UAGoalieGuy]

Id do strome for r.smith straight up. Idk if vegas would

I would think the Rangers would get a small plus in a Smith for Strome straight up trade. Strome is younger, producing better and is a center. If the Rangers retained a bit they should get more.

Rangers still would need to find another C to trade Strome. If they did, I'd kick the tires on Palat too. Tampa still needs to move money.

 

[RGY]

The Rangers have so much cap space right now. The Rangers have so much performance bonus money and those exceed the 7.5% cushion of $6,112,500. The Rangers have to leave space to account for those bonuses until they are not attainable. The Rangers still have money with the nearly $2.3M set aside. The Rangers bonuses are $8.4M with Lafrenière. Kakko, Kravtsov, Fox, Lundkvist and Miller. Barron's bonus is $850,000.

The Rangers have room to add a player and there are teams which could use the cap flexibility. The Rangers have room for just this season. The player they acquire could up being here for more than one season and the Rangers will have to account for that player by making other moves. Some players could reach their performance bonuses. The Rangers will need to leave some space for those bonuses.

Reilly Smith's $5M would fit. Vegas is cap compliant now because Tuch is on LTIR. The Rangers would look so disingenuous if they added Smith who would take away the ice time of a younger winger. The Rangers said they traded Buchnevich to free up ice time for their young forwards. The Rangers couldn't afford Buchnevich long-term. As of right now with their current cap situation, they could have afforded $5M for Buchnevich for one year and then let him walk as a free agent. It would have meant less ice time and opportunity for the young guys like Kravtsov. The Rangers decided to move on and open up opportunities for their young wingers.

Pittsburgh has a cap crunch. I read Hextall tried to trade Zucker and Pettersson to free up money but he couldn't find any takers. Hextall has to re-sign Malkin and Letang. Mario wants to keep those guys. Hextall inherited a tough situation in Pittsburgh. Malkin would fit the Rangers. Pittsburgh frees up the money. They would have to retain some of the $9.5M. The Rangers have room and a need a center. Malkin always seems to be hurt.

CapFriendly.com Armchair-GM User-Generated Roster
FORWARDS (13)
Right wing: Kaapo Kakko ($925,000) - Vitali Kravtsov ($925,000) - Barclay Goodrow ($3,641,667) - Samuel Blais ($1,500,000) - Julien Gauthier ($775,000)
Centre: Ryan Strome ($4,500,000) - Mika Zibanejad ($5,350,000) - Filip Chytil ($2,300,000) - Kevin Rooney ($750,000)
Left wing: Artemi Panarin ($11,642,857) - Alexis Lafrenière ($925,000) - Chris Kreider ($6,500,000) - Ryan Reaves ($1,750,000)
DEFENSE (7)
Right: Adam Fox ($925,000) - Jacob Trouba ($8,000,000) - Nils Lundkvist ($925,000)
Left: Ryan Lindgren ($3,000,000) - K'Andre Miller ($925,000) - Patrik Nemeth ($2,500,000) - Jarred Tinordi ($900,000)
GOALTENDER (2)
Igor Shesterkin ($5,666,667) - Alexandar Georgiev ($2,425,000)
BUYOUTS (5)
Henrik Lundqvist ($1,500,000) - Kevin Shattenkirk ($1,433,333) - Dan Girardi ($1,111,111) - Anthony Deangelo ($383,334) - Brad Richards ($0)
DETAILS
Roster Size: 22
Salary Cap: $81,500,000
Cap Hit: $71,178,969
Cap Space: $10,321,031

If Vegas retained $1 million on Reilly Smith would a $4 million AAV on the 3rd line look bad?

Kreider-Goodrow-Smith?

Malkin/Crosby is an interesting play. Much less likely that Pittsburgh would deal Crosby as much as there was some drummed up speculation during last season. More likely they deal Malkin. That $9.5 AAV is too much for a guy who can’t stay healthy. And Malkin is a free agent after next season. What would he want on his next deal? Malkin just turned 35 two weeks ago. Crosby would be the “safer” play at 34. Cap hit is $8.7 AAV. Could you get Pittsburgh to retain $1-$2 million on that and hope that Crosby has at least 3 great years left in him?

Strome would offset some of the cost in another deal for this year and you get a big upgrade at Center.

 

[Avery16]

Best to trade Strome at the deadline where some foolish team with Cup aspirations will think he's one of the puzzle pieces to winning it. Trading him now will likely bring less value.

I think that depends on the market now and at the deadline, also on the specific teams and what they want/what need Strome would fill for them.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

Pittsburgh will never trade Crosby. Malkin possibly but as folks have mentioned, he can't stay healthy.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

When will Eichel be ready to play?

When Vegas plays their first game, I guess

 

[Shesterkybomb]

I honestly think we're all underestimating what this team can do next year. Nobody in our division really scares me vs what we have now. Carolina and Washington are obviously the top teams but we can play with Washington and i think Carolina is actually a little worse after their offseason. I think the huge wildcard here is that i believe Miller is gonna take a leap ahead this year, everyone kinda forgets how good he could be. I also think Lafreniere takes a big jump. Gallant will make this team better, Goodrow makes this team better, Lundkvist makes this team better, Nemeth according to those who watch him regularily is an upgrade as well, Blais and Reaves add some more grit. We did lose Buch but i honestly felt at the end of the year that Kakko was starting to make having him redundant and i see him as the plug and play player to go with Zib. Kravtsov for the year makes us better, and finally i think as long as we don't have the same issues as last year with injuries and covid that makes us better. I'm excited for this year, my expectation is playoffs and i wouldn't be surprised to see us win a round which would be huge for the kids.

 

[duhmetreE]

Id do strome for r.smith straight up. Idk if vegas would

I honestly rather trade Strome for draft picks. We have too many players as is. If we're gonna let the kids play, let them play 'to their strengths'.

I honestly would really want unprotected Vegas' 2023 1st. I can see that team falling apart soon and having a 'disaster season'. We've had insane luck, it'd be amazing to top it off with a 'traded pick' that turns into a lottery.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I honestly think we're all underestimating what this team can do next year. Nobody in our division really scares me vs what we have now. Carolina and Washington are obviously the top teams but we can play with Washington and i think Carolina is actually a little worse after their offseason. I think the huge wildcard here is that i believe Miller is gonna take a leap ahead this year, everyone kinda forgets how good he could be. I also think Lafreniere takes a big jump. Gallant will make this team better, Goodrow makes this team better, Lundkvist makes this team better, Nemeth according to those who watch him regularily is an upgrade as well, Blais and Reaves add some more grit. We did lose Buch but i honestly felt at the end of the year that Kakko was starting to make having him redundant and i see him as the plug and play player to go with Zib. Kravtsov for the year makes us better, and finally i think as long as we don't have the same issues as last year with injuries and covid that makes us better. I'm excited for this year, my expectation is playoffs and i wouldn't be surprised to see us win a round which would be huge for the kids.

I think having a normal season already makes us better than last season.

- No COVID for Zibanejad
- No COVID for Kakko
- Proper training camp and pre-season for Lafrenière, Kakko, Miller
- No freak injury to Shestyorkin
- No Russian reporter f***ing with Panarin
- No lockerroom fights
- A better coach
- Our kids being a year older, more experienced
- Replacing Libor Hájek and Jack Johnson with Nils Lundkvist and Patrik Nemeth
- Adding Goodrow, Blais and Reaves to replace Blackwell, Lemieux and Howden

This team had more stuff happen than most teams don't even face in a decade.

The only real question mark is whether or not the kids (Kakko, Kravtsov and Lafrenière) can make up for the lost production with the departure of Pavel Buchnevich.

 

[Irishguy42]

The only real question mark is whether or not the kids (Kakko, Kravtsov and Lafrenière) can make up for the lost production with the departure of Pavel Buchnevich.

Even without most of the other stuff you listed, this was going to be the biggest pivot of the season (and not just "replacing Buchnevich", but progression in general for the trio)

The last two points you made are obviously improvements, no matter how you cut it/argue contracts.

Even with a full season of Zibnanejad/Shesty/Panarin/etc., I don't see NYR taking a big step without the kids progressing. That being said, I do think they will, based on their trends from last season and assuming Gallant will be fair with them.

EDIT: You liked this comment before my edit after the first paragraph went through, so just making a disclaimer for the other readers/if you want to retract/argue the like.

 

[KevinFinnerty]

I think we get into the playoffs and go to the ECF

 

[effen]

I don't think Strome would get a 2nd rounder from anyone or he'd have been gone.

 

[Thirty One]

I don't think Strome would get a 2nd rounder from anyone or he'd have been gone.

Can't see it without another center move lined up.

 

[Thirty One]

EDIT: You liked this comment before my edit after the first paragraph went through, so just making a disclaimer for the other readers/if you want to retract/argue the like.

It's not a great system. I could edit a post to say [MOD: ethnic slur deleted] and the likes would still be there.

 

[Irishguy42]

It's not a great system. I could edit a post to say [MOD: ethnic slur deleted] and the likes would still be there.

I'm pretty sure I'm not Tony DeAngelo, so we're good here

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I think we get into the playoffs and go to the ECF

Right now, I think I will settle for winning a round. I don't expect us to be contenders until 2023-24.

In the Metropolitan Division (What a god awful name by the way) we need to get past one of WSH or PIT as I see CAR and NYI taking the top-2 spots.

In the Atlantic, it will probably be FLA/TBL/TOR/BOS.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I wouldn’t pencil the isles in for anything just yet.

covid saved them 2 seasons ago. A short scheduled certainly helped them last year. A pair of long runs/short off season/style of play with a full 82 game set ahead of them isn’t something to just gloss over. That’s not a particularly young group either.

 

[Thirty One]

I wouldn’t pencil the isles in for anything just yet.

covid saved them 2 seasons ago. A short scheduled certainly helped them last year. A pair of long runs/short off season/style of play with a full 82 game set ahead of them isn’t something to just gloss over. That’s not a particularly young group either.

And they were fortunate to face just God awful goaltending in the playoffs.

 

[BBKers]

From Garrioch last night:


GARRIOCH: Ottawa Senators GM Pierre Dorion has had a busy off-season with more work ahead before camp | Ottawa Sun

Strome for Brown and +, +?

The plus would be TBLs 2nd and Bostons 3rd in 2022 - I believe. With a small add from NYR:s side (speculated as being rights to Hajek or Gauthier). We could retain salary here too.
Then we would make another deal with Arizona. Or Calgary (long shot).

 

[Fitzy]

Very surprised that Anisimov and Brassard haven't found homes yet, but neither are the type of player that we are looking to add ATM

 

[DialUp]

Right now, I think I will settle for winning a round. I don't expect us to be contenders until 2023-24.

In the Metropolitan Division (What a god awful name by the way) we need to get past one of WSH or PIT as I see CAR and NYI taking the top-2 spots.

In the Atlantic, it will probably be FLA/TBL/TOR/BOS.

Phila will have a much better season next year too, so there's that to contend with. I think a ton needs to go just right for us to be over actual 500 enough to beat out wash and or Pitt.

To make the playoffs, this team regardless who is ultimately on it, cannot allow the devils to win their version of the cup against us.

 

[cheech70]

The plus would be TBLs 2nd and Bostons 3rd in 2022 - I believe. With a small add from NYR:s side (speculated as being rights to Hajek or Gauthier). We could retain salary here too.
Then we would make another deal with Arizona. Or Calgary (long shot).

Isn't Brown so-so?

 

[haohmaru]

I think that depends on the market now and at the deadline, also on the specific teams and what they want/what need Strome would fill for them.

The demand now is non existent, seemingly, so I don't know how waiting hurts. If Strome is at 40+ points at the deadline, with or without Panarin, he'll be a commodity - injuries, upgrading, etc... to some team that needs a push.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Phila will have a much better season next year too, so there's that to contend with. I think a ton needs to go just right for us to be over actual 500 enough to beat out wash and or Pitt.

To make the playoffs, this team regardless who is ultimately on it, cannot allow the devils to win their version of the cup against us.

flyers will continue to be terrible as long as AV is there.

this team was over .500 last year with a bunch of things that went wrong and a moron HC. I don’t know why we’d expect them to be worse next year. Unless you’re counting OT losses then yeah they were barely under, but the aforementioned points still stand.

 

[Mac n Gs]

I’d much rather have Colin White than Logan Brown if we’re dealing Strome to OTT. I’d add pieces on both ends to balance out the value

 

[Irishguy42]

Logan Brown is poop. Thank you for coming to my TED Talk.