Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXII

[Savant]

If the players can do it sometimes, but not all the time, doesn't that suggest that the problem is the players? Or do you think Quinn is telling them to do completely different things on a game by game basis?

Again, based on the given evidence, I don’t think there is anything showing proving consistency. There isn’t any identity either. Do we think Quinn is a good match for how the roster is being re-constructed? I’m not sure.

 

[Leetch3]

What team is going to give him 7x7?

if hayes got that, CK will easily get it.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Again, based on the given evidence, I don’t think there is anything showing proving consistency. There isn’t any identity either. Do we think Quinn is a good match for how the roster is being re-constructed? I’m not sure.

How fast exactly did you expect to see these things? More specifically, did you really think we'd have a full roster of players "proving consistency" and establishing an identity 15 months into Quinn's tenure and a pretty substantive rebuild? Because looking for anything more than flashes of that at this point of time is unfair.

 

[aufheben]

Since Gallant has be fired we are inevitably back on the subject of David Quinn—even though there's zero indication his job is in danger—it should be pointed out that the Rangers have actually been a better team the last 5 weeks and have steadied a bit.

 

[Avery16]

What team is going to give him 7x7?

Several would, hopefully not ours

 

[Edge]

With regards to potential contract offers for Kreider, there are a few teams that are going to have some potential flexibility for 2020-21.

Some that could/likely have an interest in Kreider:

Detroit
New Jersey
Colorado
Chicago

 

[Shesterkybomb]

I say he has the first 10 games of next season or he is history . I think Quinn has done OK with what he has so far. Next season will be different....expectations.....

Here are the holes to this team and where everyone should be right now. This team wont be good until those spots are filled bu players who are actual top 6 players and left side NHL dmen. Kakko will fill one of those top 6 at some point, maybe Kravtsov? The D needs Miller, and for Hajek to mature.

Kreider Zibanajad _______
Panarin Strome _________
Buch Chytil Kakko
Lemieux Howden Fast

________ Trouba
Skjei Fox
_______ DeAngelo

Until those spots are held by players who are ready to hold them this is where this team is at.

 

[zukeisgone]

You forgot Lindgren

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

At the rental level, Kreider and St Louis seem like a perfect match.

I like their system a hell of a lot more than Boston's.

 

[DutchShamrock]

The real dollars paid out next year drop because a lot of contracts built in lock out protection. So escrow is expected to also drop, perhaps in a big way. Some of the talking heads believe the NHLPA will vote to increase the inflator, maybe the full 5%.

There could be more suitors for Kreider than we can project today. GMs are notoriously stingy 51 weeks a year. But every July 1 they fall all over themselves throwing out irresponsible contracts which get them fired and cause headaches for years.

 

[duhmetreE]

if hayes got that, CK will easily get it.

who will give him that contract?

Hayes was 27 and a center. Not comparable even though it was a long deal. Kreider will be 29.

Both deals would end at 34. Teams are not giving deals past that age.

 

[rangers1314]

At the rental level, Kreider and St Louis seem like a perfect match.

I like their system a hell of a lot more than Boston's.

Asking out of curiosity, who in STL system catches your eye? Kostin?

 

[duhmetreE]

With regards to potential contract offers for Kreider, there are a few teams that are going to have some potential flexibility for 2020-21.

Some that could/likely have an interest in Kreider:

Detroit
New Jersey
Colorado
Chicago

Colorado is nice if he wants to go there. He's a Boston boy. I think he'd prefer to stay in the northeast. Maybe I'm making a major assumption but he doesn't strike me as a guy that would uproot to go to a losing team for 2 more years.

I still dont think anyone gives him a contract past his age 34 season.

 

[Edge]

who will give him that contract?

Hayes was 27 and a center. Not comparable even though it was a long deal. Kreider will be 29.

Both deals would end at 34. Teams are not giving deals past that age.

I think Kreider is probably seen as being more of a unique skill set and a guy who impacts a game --- especially if a team is younger and already has an elite center in place.

I think there will be at least a couple of 7 year deals on the table. The question is where the cross section lies between the best offer and the places he is interested in playing.

 

[NYR Viper]

who will give him that contract?

Hayes was 27 and a center. Not comparable even though it was a long deal. Kreider will be 29.

Both deals would end at 34. Teams are not giving deals past that age.

I could see Colorado

I could also see Arizona if they can't sign Hall

 

[FIRE DRURY]

who will give him that contract?

Hayes was 27 and a center. Not comparable even though it was a long deal. Kreider will be 29.

Both deals would end at 34. Teams are not giving deals past that age.

32 year old Zucc signed for 5 years X 6M. Pretty sure there will be numerous teams willing to go 7X7 for CK.

 

[Edge]

Colorado is nice if he wants to go there. He's a Boston boy. I think he'd prefer to stay in the northeast. Maybe I'm making a major assumption but he doesn't strike me as a guy that would uproot to go to a losing team for 2 more years.

I still dont think anyone gives him a contract past his age 34 season.

Without knowing his preferences, I think he might be looking for a team that is looking to make major moves and get into contention sooner --- that's where I think Detroit might be a Dark Horse.

I think 8 of their top 10 scorers are age 25 and under, they have a couple of high picks coming in the the next couple of years, and they're going to have another potential impact player coming in from the 2020 draft.

With Yzerman at the helm, I can't rule out them looking to make some noise, get a veteran presence who can insulate some of the young talent, and then start adding in short order.

Colorado, IMO, is probably the easy to identify candidate. They have the centers, they're looking to take that next step, they have an opening, and they have the cash.

Will be there be 7 years? Not sure. Could there be 5 or 6 years with a high salary and some front-loaded money? Definitely.

I also think six years might be a compromise some teams make, if they won't go to 7.

 

[Deleted member 23124]

who will give him that contract?

Hayes was 27 and a center. Not comparable even though it was a long deal. Kreider will be 29.

Both deals would end at 34. Teams are not giving deals past that age.

And I'm sure AV had major input into getting him signed.

 

[Lion Hound]

if hayes got that, CK will easily get it.

He'll get it.

 

[JimmyG89]

I think Kreider is probably seen as being more of a unique skill set and a guy who impacts a game --- especially if a team is younger and already has an elite center in place.

I think there will be at least a couple of 7 year deals on the table. The question is where the cross section lies between the best offer and the places he is interested in playing.

If there is ever a team that is in need of a Kreider and will have money to spend next season and years to come, it's the Buffalo Sabres. About half their team is expiring deals. They have some very finesse forwards either in the system or on the team. He can keep up with Eichel and provide the net front on PP1.

They also need to make moves to win now. Eichel won't want to stick around if they keep floundering. It'll be up to Kreider if he wants to go there. I'm sure if he's close enough with a guy like Vesey, who may or may not be there, but is also a kid from Massachusetts, he could get an idea of what being in that city is like

Also, would he believe that they are going to be winning soon. I'm sure being here the past few seasons hurts due to losing. He's going to want to have a shot to win and be paid.

 

[Anthony5967]

It was so much fun reading the comments from the Isles fans two nights ago saying all we have is Panarin and that they don't notice anybody else. Still in denial that their team is a legit cup contender. Johnston, Komarov, Brassard, Kuhnackl, Cluster**** are pieces you're winning a Cup with? They rely too much on their system and goalie nightly, and Sweet Lou won't go out and give up the chips for a legit scoring FWD because he knows they won't stay long-term. Can't wait for the next few years/decade.

 

[Edge]

If there is ever a team that is in need of a Kreider and will have money to spend next season and years to come, it's the Buffalo Sabres. About half their team is expiring deals. They have some very finesse forwards either in the system or on the team. He can keep up with Eichel and provide the net front on PP1.

They also need to make moves to win now. Eichel won't want to stick around if they keep floundering. It'll be up to Kreider if he wants to go there. I'm sure if he's close enough with a guy like Vesey, who may or may not be there, but is also a kid from Massachusetts, he could get an idea of what being in that city is like

Also, would he believe that they are going to be winning soon. I'm sure being here the past few seasons hurts due to losing. He's going to want to have a shot to win and be paid.

Buffalo is on a short list of teams that have the money, as well as the need, but I'm not sure would inherently have Kreider's interest. So I left them off my initial response, along with teams like Ottawa and Edmonton.

 

[rangers1314]

From 31T:

"Toronto fans tweeted up a storm of Jeremy Bracco trades to get Alexandar Georgiev from the Rangers, but it will take more than that. Georgiev beat the Islanders 6-2 on Monday, and while New York is looking for a talented forward who is ready to play, they realize how good Georgiev can be."

31 Thoughts: The fallout from bombshell New Jersey, Vegas firings - Sportsnet.ca

 

[Cag29]

Here are the holes to this team and where everyone should be right now. This team wont be good until those spots are filled bu players who are actual top 6 players and left side NHL dmen. Kakko will fill one of those top 6 at some point, maybe Kravtsov? The D needs Miller, and for Hajek to mature.

Kreider Zibanajad _______
Panarin Strome _________
Buch Chytil Kakko
Lemieux Howden Fast

________ Trouba
Skjei Fox
_______ DeAngelo

Until those spots are held by players who are ready to hold them this is where this team is at.

Lindgren is playing well with Fox. Imho.
Lundkvist May be our best prospect on D.

 

[JimmyG89]

Buffalo is on a short list of teams that have the money, as well as the need, but I'm not sure would inherently have Kreider's interest. So I left them off my initial response, along with teams like Ottawa and Edmonton.

Yeah, I just view them differently than Edmonton and Ottawa. Obviously Ottawa is just beginning their rebuild and are nowhere near competing. Edmonton has big big money tied into multiple elite players, and then RNH is getting paid a lot too. Their prospect pool is also not that amazing. Do they even have the pieces to fill out a solid bottom of the lineup with Kreider?

Buffalo has a little bit of both of those things. Some nice young players coming in and an elite center for him to line up with. Their not McDavid and Drai, but having Eichel, Reinhart, Skinner and Kreider would allow them to insulate a 2nd line center with some good winger. Could even be Cozens or Mittelstadt. Marcus Johansson is a nice player too. Rounds out the top 6 wingers.