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Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXII

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What to do with Kreider?

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Prospects the Rangers have received at the deadline, are what Lemieux, Howden, Hajek, Lindgren, Rykov

Prospects they traded for during the summer are what, Fox

Prospects the Rangers took late 1st, Chytil, Miller, Lundkvist.

Already NHLers the Rangers took back at deadlines, Namestnikov, Spooner, Beleskey

Already NHL players the Rangers traded for not at a deadline, Trouba, Strome, ADA.

I honestly think that is pretty good and it probably shows what the market is at the deadlines, and what may shake loose here and there during the summers or even into a season in Strome's case.

I mean I want higher potential prospects too, yet none of that above included Kakko or Kravtsov.

In a way Lias is the only big disappointment that has come out of what they've stockpiled so far. If a Jones, Keane, Barron, Robertson, etc, make the jump that probably makes up for Lias at least a little.

I don't know, I guess I expected something like that to come out of them selling and rebuilding and I still expect it to take more time for much of that to hit their primes.
 
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Prospects the Rangers have received at the deadline, are what Lemieux, Howden, Hajek, Lindgren, Rykov

Prospects they traded for during the summer are what, Fox

Prospects the Rangers took late 1st, Chytil, Miller, Lundkvist.

Already NHLers the Rangers took back at deadlines, Namestnikov, Spooner, Beleskey

Already NHL players the Rangers traded for not at a deadline, Trouba, Strome, ADA.

I honestly think that is pretty good and it probably shows what the market is at the deadlines, and what may shake loose here and there during the summers or even into a season in Strome's case.

I mean I want higher potential prospects too, yet none of that above included Kakko or Kravtsov.

In a way Lias is the only big disappointment that has come out of what they've stockpiled so far. If a Jones, Keane, Barron, Robertson, etc, make the jump that probably makes up for Lias at least a little.

I don't know, I guess I expected something like that to come out of them selling and rebuilding and I still expect it to take more time for much of that to hit their primes.
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And some of that pool is going to be packaged at some point (or at multiple points). In turn, the players acquired with assets from that pool are going to be guys who come with a price tag, which is why we have to balance out the price tag of the contracts we commit to before that happens.

But to your point, I feel reasonably happy with what we've acquired over the last 24 to 30 months. I think we've put improved out depth, we've had some unique talents start to emerge, and yes, we've had some talents that haven't developed as hoped. But I believe the good outdistances the bad by a pretty wide margin.

I think the next few months probably represent the last of moving established pieces for multiple assets, but I think right beyond that is that is phase that everyone is more or less ready to experience --- utilizing assets to really shore up multiple areas.

I think that's when you start to really see a focus on Rick Nash circa 2012 type trades, or giving up promising prospects for talent that's ready to roll at the NHL level. And that's going to be a process.

In some ways, I actually believe the next phase is trickier than the current one that is coming to a close. Because now we have to balance contracts, and separate the parts we're willing to move from the parts we hope to keep. We're figuring out who has still growth potential, who's plateaued, and who is regressing. We're also moving beyond projections and into a realm where we have tangible results, and that's not always a popular time frame.
 
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And some of that pool is going to be packaged at some point (or at multiple points). In turn, the players acquired with assets from that pool are going to be guys who come with a price tag, which is why we have to balance out the price tag of the contracts we commit to before that happens.

But to your point, I feel reasonably happy with what we've acquired over the last 24 to 30 months. I think we've put improved out depth, we've had some unique talents start to emerge, and yes, we've had some talents that haven't developed as hoped. But I believe the good outdistances the bad by a pretty wide margin.

I think the next few months probably represent the last of moving established pieces for multiple assets, but I think right beyond that is that is phase that everyone is more or less ready to experience --- utilizing assets to really shore up multiple areas.

I think that's when you start to really see a focus on Rick Nash circa 2012 type trades, or giving up promising prospects for talent that's ready to roll at the NHL level. And that's going to be a process.

In some ways, I actually believe the next phase is trickier than the current one that is coming to a close. Because now we have to balance contracts, and separate the parts we're willing to move from the parts we hope to keep. We're figuring out who has still growth potential, who's plateaued, and who is regressing. We're also moving beyond projections and into a realm where we have tangible results, and that's not always a popular time frame.
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I too think the trickier part is coming up, for me though I'd be waiting for at least Kakko to take some sort of real step in progression before I am making those bigger trades. In the mean time the buyout cap space and some other less than desirable contracts go away. Expansion happens too and I'm not putting myself in a losing position there.
 
leetch99 said:
I say he has the first 10 games of next season or he is history . I think Quinn has done OK with what he has so far. Next season will be different....expectations.....
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No chance. I maintain that the wheels will need to completely come off the bus for him to be fired. The team is performing as expected or somewhat above expectations for this year. Next year will have different expectations, but management's expectations will be realistic. Which means an improvement on this year, but let's face it, this team is probalby not a serious contender next year. Contend for the playoffs? Sure. Maybe make it into the playoffs? Sure. But that's about it. The first 10 games will hardly tell that.
 
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I feel like every time a main player comes up in trade talks, people convince themselves that there's this premium return that absolutely exists just so they can shit on Gorton for not getting it when the trade occurs. Nash had to return Debrusk. McDonagh had to return Sergachev or Point. Stepan had to return Keller. Hayes had to return Roslovic. You'd think people would start to understand the market at some point.
 
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I feel like every time a main player comes up in trade talks, people convince themselves that there's this premium return that absolutely exists just so they can **** on Gorton for not getting it when the trade occurs. Nash had to return Debrusk. McDonagh had to return Sergachev or Point. Stepan had to return Keller. Hayes had to return Roslovic. You'd think people would start to understand the market at some point.
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As @Gardner McKay said to me, you have been around just as long as we have. You should know better than to ask people to learn as we go
 
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True Blue said:
I am not disagreeing with that at all. However, the Isles game shown a different level of defense that we have not seen before. I am not going to let Quinn off the hook for the entire year's worth of largely defensive ineptitude, but the youth of the team and their learning curve was not going to be instantaneous. More needs to be seen, but could be that you are seeing steps being taken.

And again, to me, that is not enough for Gorton to fire him.
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But is the Isles game the exception or the rule? The evidence shows one is more likely that the other.
 
Avery16 said:
Ritchie was coached by Ruff for three seasons in Dallas, and was a teammate of Ryan Strome’s for a few seasons (plus one with ADA) in the OHL.
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I could see Rangers claiming Ritchie. Would add size and grit. Does he PK at all?
 
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No chance. I maintain that the wheels will need to completely come off the bus for him to be fired. The team is performing as expected or somewhat above expectations for this year. Next year will have different expectations, but management's expectations will be realistic. Which means an improvement on this year, but let's face it, this team is probalby not a serious contender next year. Contend for the playoffs? Sure. Maybe make it into the playoffs? Sure. But that's about it. The first 10 games will hardly tell that.
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Combined with the last 30 this year....it just might .
 
Savant said:
But is the Isles game the exception or the rule? The evidence shows one is more likely that the other.
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If the players can do it sometimes, but not all the time, doesn't that suggest that the problem is the players? Or do you think Quinn is telling them to do completely different things on a game by game basis?
 
Leetch3 said:
agree with most of what you are saying and I think alot of people could get on board with keeping kreider for 4-5 years but the problem remains why is he taking that? that would be leaving alot of $$ on the table...
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What team is going to give him 7x7?
 
I don't get the impression that if/when Kreider is moved that the Rangers want to replace his roster spot internally
 
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