Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXII

[Shesterkybomb]

Because he’s obviously not the coach that’s going to get this team to the next level lol

How is it obvious? Every kid on this team has gotten better this year. Panarin, Zib and DeAngelo havin career years amongst the youngest team in the league, with a bunch of guys under 21. As I've said before Quinn may or may not be the guy but until he has a decent roster it's not fair to judge him with this roster, who by the way have beaten a lot of good teams this year.

 

[RGY]

We've said this a few times, but he should be claimed.

If we didnt claim other bodies that would be better than Haley and Smith why would we claim this one. We would rather have an insufferable 4th linr

 

[True Blue]

I like Quinn. Curious as to why so many posters dislike the guy so much?

The team has not met the completely unrealistic expectations that some posters put on them during the summer.

 

[NYR Viper]

If we didnt claim other bodies that would be better than Haley and Smith why would we claim this one. We would rather have an insufferable 4th linr

I'm wondering if Gorton believes he will be adding a few bodies at the deadline that will need NHL time.

 

[Alluckks]

This is now gone what did it say and who was it?

It was quoting an article about potential Kreider trade partners and Dater simply wrote “Avs are VERY interested”

 

[RGY]

I'm wondering if Gorton believes he will be adding a few bodies at the deadline that will need NHL time.

I don’t know but that certainly doesn’t help the team in the interim. This is yet another cheap depth forward they could have play instead of Smith and Haley. They can still have the “let the chips fall where they may” stance in terms of their feelings on competing for a playoff spot because Ritchie isnt some expensive big time player....while still helping DQ have a more competent team. He is a physical player who takes the body. Would be a solid addition.

Again likely wont happen.

 

[GAGLine]

Fredric is the definition of a B level prospect and much as I love Beecher, he is going to be a high end third line player. Their first will be towards the very tail end of a draft that looks to be fairly pedestrian after the first 10 or so picks. They are a player away from being a legit Cup contender. Kreider is the best that they can get to fill their biggest need. I think that it is a fair price.

We need bottom 6 players. We also need top 6 players, but do we absolutely need to get one out of a Kreider trade? That draft that you say is pedestrian after the top 10 picks (I disagree) will likely include us picking in the top 10. We are currently 10th and trading Kreider isn't likely to improve that position. So we should have a chance to get a future top 6 player. And as Edge pointed out in an earlier post, we have done pretty well with late 1st round picks (better than we have with high 1st round picks, in most cases). Any player we take in the late 1st will likely be a few years away from playing in the NHL, but that player, or the pick itself, could end up being ammunition to help us get a top 6 player who will have a more immediate impact.

I would love to get a can't miss top 6 player/prospect for Kreider, but if one isn't offered, we can still do well by getting several lesser pieces. I don't think many people would be upset if we got another player like Lemieux, who likely will never be more than a 3rd liner in terms of production.

 

[GAGLine]

I like Quinn. Curious as to why so many posters dislike the guy so much?

Because when things aren't going well, it's a lot easier (and more comforting) to blame the coach than the players. The coach is easy to replace. It's the quick-fix, instant-gratification mentality.

 

[RGY]

Bruins have a home game tomorrow. So technically if he was claimed by Noon, he could make it to Long Island to suit up and replace one of the two pylons on the 4th line.

But this is all highly unlikely.

 

[Savant]

The team has not met the completely unrealistic expectations that some posters put on them during the summer.

Nothing to do with that for me.
Not to agree with Brooks, but I just don’t see any structure with how he is setting the team up. The team defense especially leaves a lot to be desired.

 

[True Blue]

We need bottom 6 players. We also need top 6 players, but do we absolutely need to get one out of a Kreider trade?

Need is always debatable. I am not saying these type of players cannot be addressed during the draft. Of course they can. But given that the prospects chosen now are more than likely another 3-4 years away, I think that yes, if they are looking to better diversify the roster and start to get the complimentary pieces as they are building a contender, that they need to get something like that out of the Kreider hypothetical trade. A young forward that will compliment the skill as they build a team that can compete in the type of games that occur in the playoffs.

 

[GAGLine]

I'm wondering if Gorton believes he will be adding a few bodies at the deadline that will need NHL time.

I think that's likely. Regardless of the position this team is in come the deadline, I think Gorton wants to still give them hope of competing this year. The last 2 years have been tough on the players. If we were to trade Kreider, Strome and Fast and get back nothing but picks, what does that do to the players who remain? I think Kreider will be the only one we trade and we'll get back at least one player who can play in the NHL right now.

 

[True Blue]

The team defense especially leaves a lot to be desired.

I am not disagreeing with that at all. However, the Isles game shown a different level of defense that we have not seen before. I am not going to let Quinn off the hook for the entire year's worth of largely defensive ineptitude, but the youth of the team and their learning curve was not going to be instantaneous. More needs to be seen, but could be that you are seeing steps being taken.

And again, to me, that is not enough for Gorton to fire him.

 

[GAGLine]

Need is always debatable. I am not saying these type of players cannot be addressed during the draft. Of course they can. But given that the prospects chosen now are more than likely another 3-4 years away, I think that yes, if they are looking to better diversify the roster and start to get the complimentary pieces as they are building a contender, that they need to get something like that out of the Kreider hypothetical trade. A young forward that will compliment the skill as they build a team that can compete in the type of games that occur in the playoffs.

I agree, I just don't think that young forward needs to be a top 6 forward. There are plenty of role left to be filled in our bottom 6 too.

 

[thethirdhockeyman91]

Fire Ruff and bring in Gallant ASAP.

 

[True Blue]

I agree, I just don't think that young forward needs to be a top 6 forward. There are plenty of role left to be filled in our bottom 6 too.

Oh, I see. Apparently I misunderstood. Yes, I agree. Hence wanting a Fredric to be a part of a possible Boston deal with Kreider. Completely agree. Plenty of holes to be filled with the type of players that are needed to upgrade the overall roster.

 

[NYR Viper]

I'm beginning to believe Fast is re-signed. I am doubtful it gets done before the deadline as the morale for a guy like Kreider probably drops like a rock

 

[wafflepadsave]

Since most of us do not know what the teams interested in Kreider are willing to offer, nor whom the Rangers have necessarily targeted, I will usually revert to prior trades. To me, if the competition for Kreider is what has been described, I think a package for more than what Hayes returned is a reasonable expectation. If the Rangers have a prospect they are particularly targeting, then the package could be adjusted.

Agreed. But, it’s the over inflated talk we hear from the msm might be problem. They’ve let us down most of the time as far as returns are concerned.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Agreed. But, it’s the over inflated talk we hear from the msm might be problem. They’ve let us down most of the time as far as returns are concerned.

Have they?

I think they've gotten back what was expected (or more) for most of the guys they've moved.

 

[leetch99]

You know this how........?????

I say he has the first 10 games of next season or he is history . I think Quinn has done OK with what he has so far. Next season will be different....expectations.....

 

[Kovalev27]

and I aim to shatter your dreams LOL

right up there with making your bed every morning haha

 

[Edge]

I like Lemieux I do but he’s going to be 24 soon and hardly is showing he can be a 20 goal 40 pt guy.

once he scored 9 goals in 44 games with a ridiculous shooting percentage.

he’s more Brandon Prust to me who while valuable in his prime was never a guy you wanted in your top 9 let alone top 6.

I think Howden has more upside as a left winger than Lemieux does frankly.

So I’m really just unimpressed by some of these guys like Frederic. I think we’ve got that guy in Lemieux already. I think they fill the same role

I like Lemieux, but he also plays a style of game that can be easy to love, and then easy to over-project.

When a guy plays with an edge, and becomes a fan favorite, there's always a good possibility that we "add-on" to what we perceive as his offensive ceiling. Guys who project as 15 goal/35 point players start seeing their projections rise to 20/40 or 20/50. We probably do it with power forwards, or bigger guys more than other types.

 

[GAGLine]

I like Lemieux, but he also plays a style of game that can be easy to love, and then easy to over-project.

When a guy plays with an edge, and becomes a fan favorite, there's always a good possibility that we "add-on" to what we perceive as his offensive ceiling. Guys who project as 15 goal/35 point players start seeing their projections rise to 20/40 or 20/50. We probably do it with power forwards, or bigger guys more than other types.

It's a lot easier to see what those types of players add when they aren't scoring, than it is for a guy like Fast, whose game is more subtle.

 

[EdJovanovski]

A Detroit fan on the main board proposed Athanasiou for Georgiev, do you guys do it? He'd be a nice younger replacement for Kreider.

Georgiev for Athanasiou
Kreider for Zadorov, Kamenev, 2020 1st
Andersson, Jones for Virtanen


Panarin - Strome - Kakko
Kravtsov - Zibanejad - Buchnevich
Athanasiou - Chytil - Virtanen
Lemieux - Kamenev - Fast

Zadorov - DeAngelo
Skjei - Trouba
Lindgren - Fox

Shesterkin
Lundqvist

That 3rd line would maybe be the fastest line in the league

 

[NYR Viper]

I like Lemieux, but he also plays a style of game that can be easy to love, and then easy to over-project.

When a guy plays with an edge, and becomes a fan favorite, there's always a good possibility that we "add-on" to what we perceive as his offensive ceiling. Guys who project as 15 goal/35 point players start seeing their projections rise to 20/40 or 20/50. We probably do it with power forwards, or bigger guys more than other types.

Exactly this. 15/20 would be a very god projection for Lemieux