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Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXII

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jas said:
I’m sorry but I just believe the Rangers need to move on. Buchnevich needs the opportunity to prove himself, both Anderson and Chytil need more ice time, and you likely have Kravtsov coming over. Plus, you don’t know what the trade deadline brings, or the draft for that matter. And, I’d rather keep Kreider around than Zuccarello.
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Yea RW is pretty full with kratsov, Buch and if they keep Fast . Plus Strome can play 4th line C or Rw
 
NYRFANMANI said:
Buch is losing ground very quickly. Kind of ended up like Vesey atm, not good enough for an NHL top 6 role, not sound enough defensively for a bottom 6 NHL role.

There is no room for such players on an NHL roster, I fear. At least not one that is competing (talking years into the future).

I think Vesey, Buch and Nam will not be part of the long term solution.
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Scoring isn't the end all be all, but the timing of this post is a little weird.

Buch has enough tools for me to ride it out with him. He needs to bring the consistency more often but I don't see him as a lost cause. Sort of the Kreider argument for me. He took some time to be more consistent and a lot of people see him being more valuable to the future as a player instead of assets.
 
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DutchShamrock said:
Scoring isn't the end all be all, but the timing of this post is a little weird.

Buch has enough tools for me to ride it out with him. He needs to bring the consistency more often but I don't see him as a lost cause. Sort of the Kreider argument for me. He took some time to be more consistent and a lot of people see him being more valuable to the future as a player instead of assets.
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I don’t see him as a lost cause, and he’s someone who should benefit from Zuccarello getting moved. But, I can’t say I’m confident he’s here long term. I expected him to have a better year than he’s shown this far. But, I need more evidence, and I believe Ranger management feels the same way.
 
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NYRFANMANI said:
Buch is losing ground very quickly. Kind of ended up like Vesey atm, not good enough for an NHL top 6 role, not sound enough defensively for a bottom 6 NHL role.

There is no room for such players on an NHL roster, I fear. At least not one that is competing (talking years into the future).

I think Vesey, Buch and Nam will not be part of the long term solution.
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If Hayes and Zucc are traded, there will be plenty of room in the top 6.

Buch missed a bunch of time, but he has 9 goals and 15 pts in 30 games. His numbers relative to his on ice time are fine.

Like anyone else, if someone offers something crazy, sure take it. But there's no reason to shop him around for the sake of it.
 
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Disinterested in trading Kreider and Zibanejad. Buchnevich is Burakovsky, nothing more.
 
I am curious as to, in addition to moving vets (Hayes, Zucc, etc.) for picks and young players, whether we can acquire more young assets as "thanks" for absorbing heavy contracts (albeit with not too many more years). For some teams with a self-imposed limit, or some close to the cap, maybe there's more value we can add by taking salary. Unlikely that we'll be at cap the next two years...

Not to mention i wouldnt mind maintaining some veteran presence. What about these Brassard rumors? He's got one more year at a 5 mill cap hit. Could we get a second if we took him back from pittsburgh - send a 7th or McQuaid or something??
 
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ericmgomes said:
Disinterested in trading Kreider and Zibanejad. Buchnevich is Burakovsky, nothing more.
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I don’t think Buchnevich has reached the point of knowing exactly what he is. He should get the opportunity to establish what he is once Zuccarello gets moved, and what he makes of that opportunity will determine his fate as a Ranger. I don’t believe we’re at that point yet.
 
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DutchShamrock said:
Scoring isn't the end all be all, but the timing of this post is a little weird.

Buch has enough tools for me to ride it out with him. He needs to bring the consistency more often but I don't see him as a lost cause. Sort of the Kreider argument for me. He took some time to be more consistent and a lot of people see him being more valuable to the future as a player instead of assets.
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Agreed. We are not competing at the next level for a fee years anyeay.

Vesey, Strome, Names are reliable roster filling effort players that can be moved out as "potential laden" prospects make their mark. Burch is in the same boat, as long as he puts the effort in. If he floats, well, g'bye. Of he progresses, no reason not to keep him and see how he decelopes. I don't see any pressure here to be a go-to guy who isn't pulling his weight for the simple fact that we are not that team for the foreseeable future.

Unless another team initiates a trade and we can get a better return than current value offer.
 
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x BEUKEBOOM x said:
Agreed. We are not competing at the next level for a fee years anyeay.

Vesey, Strome, Names are reliable roster filling effort players that can be moved out as "potential laden" prospects make their mark. Burch is in the same boat, as long as he puts the effort in. If he floats, well, g'bye. Of he progresses, no reason not to keep him and see how he decelopes. I don't see any pressure here to be a go-to guy who isn't pulling his weight for the simple fact that we are not that team for the foreseeable future.

Unless another team initiates a trade and we can get a better return than current value offer.
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Another aspect is this is still a cap league. You aren't going to fit 12 top flight forwards who score consistently and play solid away from the puck. We need some Veseys and Buchs etc.

We need to take care of the top end talent. I don't want to give the bottom guys a pass by saying we need you to underperform so we pay you less, or this is all on the 1st liners. But you can't just identify the bottom performers and automatically swap them out for upgrades.
 
jas said:
I don’t think Buchnevich has reached the point of knowing exactly what he is. He should get the opportunity to establish what he is once Zuccarello gets moved, and what he makes of that opportunity will determine his fate as a Ranger. I don’t believe we’re at that point yet.
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My issue with Buch is he doesnt seem to have a fire under him, he scores 2 goals last night and you would swear someone just stole his lunch. It translates into how he plays too, just kind of there, going through the motions. He needs to watch Zibanajad and Namestnicov to see the effort he needs to put in. Hes got all the tools he needs the effort.
 
Sportnet did a breakdown of the available trade targets. Heres what they think of Hayes.

KEVIN HAYES
Contract: $5.175 million through 2018-19
With younger centres pushing for time from within the organization, the rebuilding Rangers are considering trading pending UFA Hayes to add some pieces and make room for the future. For his part, Hayes’ play has only increased his value and he leads the Rangers in primary assists per 60 minutes. Teams are always looking for depth at the centre position and may be able to get Hayes for less than most of the others on the list. If you need a third-line centre, Hayes is a pretty good pickup for a few months.
 
Bridges for everyone. I'm not really kidding, all of Buch, Pionk, ADA, Nieves are RFAs. Other than ADA they are all arbitration eligible.

(Claesson is a RFA too yet after this season he will only have 1 RFA year left so his bridge would likely be to UFA unless he is willing to sell a UFA year(s) for not much.)

To me that is okay transitional stuff to just see what happens with, if they make themselves part of the future over those bridges, good. If they really improve that is great, just pay them next time around to buy up UFA years but still have the leverage of those RFA years to lower the cap hit. If they do not do well, nothing really was lost except any likely sell low trade value any of them could bring back currently.
 
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KreiderBomb said:
Sportnet did a breakdown of the available trade targets. Heres what they think of Hayes.

KEVIN HAYES
Contract: $5.175 million through 2018-19
With younger centres pushing for time from within the organization, the rebuilding Rangers are considering trading pending UFA Hayes to add some pieces and make room for the future. For his part, Hayes’ play has only increased his value and he leads the Rangers in primary assists per 60 minutes. Teams are always looking for depth at the centre position and may be able to get Hayes for less than most of the others on the list. If you need a third-line centre, Hayes is a pretty good pickup for a few months.
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It’s a buyers market this year.

It’d be great if Duchene could sign in Ottawa. Ditto stone.
 
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KreiderBomb said:
Sportnet did a breakdown of the available trade targets. Heres what they think of Hayes.

KEVIN HAYES
Contract: $5.175 million through 2018-19
With younger centres pushing for time from within the organization, the rebuilding Rangers are considering trading pending UFA Hayes to add some pieces and make room for the future. For his part, Hayes’ play has only increased his value and he leads the Rangers in primary assists per 60 minutes. Teams are always looking for depth at the centre position and may be able to get Hayes for less than most of the others on the list. If you need a third-line centre, Hayes is a pretty good pickup for a few months.
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I keep telling yall don't buy into his stats this year. the rick nash trade was proof that a players reputation matters more than their current output for these gms
 
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my steps would be:

Trade Deadline
- trade zuccarello (no brainer)
- trade hayes (tough, but right choice)
- trade mcquaid (obvious)

* could trade namestnikov and vesey too, but not sure if we do that this deadline, summer, or next deadline ...
either way they should be traded *

Draft
- hopefully end up with a pick of podolkozin/kaakko/hughes if not i'm fine with cozens/dach/someone else
- shuld have 2 more first round picks from zucc&hayes, hopefully draft some pretty good players with those.
- should have alot of picks rounds 2-7, draft for high risk high reward players

Free Agency
- heres where things get tricky.
- if they get panarin, this thing turns around quick. will be better than we were this season, but not a contender until the next season
- if we get panarin, i think we should add a F (bottom 6 calibre/depth forward), and a D (bottom pair D/depth D)
sign a minute munching veteran to play with staal and let skjei develop in a 2nd pair role with deangelo has his partner.
- not sure what happens to shattenkirk/pionk. just please for the sake of my young heart let DQ not use staal pionk as a matchup pair, its horrid.

2019-2020 Roster
kreider-zib-buch
panarin-chytil-kravtsov
andersson-howden-fast
?-nieves-strome

staal-?
skjei-deangelo
lindgren-shattenkirk
pionk

hank
georgiev

Trade Deadline
- trade strome (pending UFA, no way we should buy, but don't full out sell, this team will be ready soon)
- not sure about fast. hes the type of guy you want coming out other end of rebuild, but he's going to be pushed dowsn the lineup [as youll see], and paying 3-4 million for a 4th liner is not a recipe for success.

Draft
- should end up with a mid round first, never know could squeak into playoffs
- same thing in later rounds, take risks, along with a few overagers that got passed on.

Free Agency+
- too early to say
- bring shestyorkin over
- buyout staal, make room for young guys

2020-2021 Roster
KZB
panarin-chytil-kravtsov
andersson-howden-kakko/podolkozin/hughes
gettinger-nieves-fast/replacement/FA/prospect

skjei-deangelo
lindgren-shattenkirk*
hajek-pionk**
rykov***

* - not sure if he'l still be here
** - would like to see him packaged in a deal cause he doesnt do it for me
*** - not sure what he is going to be for us, not sure how he fits either.
this defense is really weak and id much prefer a deal with pionk and rykov and a somethign else included to get a top end defenseman, as well as a deadline trade to acquire anither defenseman
 
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Not the first time this has been said, but Edmonton (read: Chiarelli) is desperate to make the playoffs and is dangling Puljujärvi and even their upcoming first round pick. Look at that roster of forwards - outside of McDavid, Draisaitl and RNH, WOOF. Chiasson is their next highest scorer with 17 goals and 22 points, and then...Lucic is the only other forward to crack 10 POINTS. That is beyond brutal.

Have to be discussing Zucc and Hayes with them, even Vesey and Namestnikov, and see how truly desperate they are. Chiarelli could end up giving up that 1st in an attempt to save his job and still miss the playoffs. As of today sportsclubstats gives them only a 26% chance of making it.
 
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TheBPA said:
Not the first time this has been said, but Edmonton (read: Chiarelli) is desperate to make the playoffs and is dangling Puljujärvi and even their upcoming first round pick. Look at that roster of forwards - outside of McDavid, Draisaitl and RNH, WOOF. Chiasson is their next highest scorer with 17 goals and 22 points, and then...Lucic is the only other forward to crack 10 POINTS. That is beyond brutal.

Have to be discussing Zucc and Hayes with them, even Vesey and Namestnikov, and see how truly desperate they are. Chiarelli could end up giving up that 1st in an attempt to save his job and still miss the playoffs. As of today sportsclubstats gives them only a 26% chance of making it.
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From my vantage point, Edmonton doesn’t have many appealing assets.
 
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jas said:
From my vantage point, Edmonton doesn’t have many appealing assets.
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I find the 1st rounder of a team likely to miss the playoffs very appealing. Obviously it depends on what you could get elsewhere for the same assets.
 
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