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Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXII

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Webster said:
So now when Zucc has accepted his likely fate, and his A-game is back, perhaps he can fix a 1st for the Rangers by the TDL? That would be nice, we want to remember the good things.
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I honestly still wish they would keep him. Let him be the veteran. He’s just such a good teammate from everything I’ve read. It’s going to hurt to watch him go.
 
Webster said:
So now when Zucc has accepted his likely fate, and his A-game is back, perhaps he can fix a 1st for the Rangers by the TDL? That would be nice, we want to remember the good things.
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We don’t need a 1st as compensation to remember Zucc.

He’s s class act. A fan favorite. His lovable personality and relentless play will always be appreciated by this fanbase.

His trade value has literally, nothing to do with what he’s accomplished here as a blue shirt.

The majority of the people posting here are die hard Rangers fans. We care more about the name of the front of the jersey than the name on the back.

We’re a rebuilding team with lots of holes. Zucc deserves playing for a legit contender. And this fanbase deserves seeing a GM trying to do everything he can to put this team in position to win tomorrow. Regardless of how painful it is to see guys like Zucc playing in our Oppositions uniforms.
 
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Buch is losing ground very quickly. Kind of ended up like Vesey atm, not good enough for an NHL top 6 role, not sound enough defensively for a bottom 6 NHL role.

There is no room for such players on an NHL roster, I fear. At least not one that is competing (talking years into the future).

I think Vesey, Buch and Nam will not be part of the long term solution.
 
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It seems the Rangers front office had a talk with Zuccarello. Stop feeling sorry for yourself. He is costing himself money in his next contract.

Likewise, Quinn volunteered that Mats Zuccarello, who had three assists for three goals and four assists in his last five games, has had a little renaissance due to conversations with the front office. Zuccarello, of course, is to be an unrestricted free agent July 1, and it is virtually certain that GM Jeff Gorton will try to move him for assets by the trade deadline.

Zuccarello has had “a lot of discussions with people in the organization (about) the situation he’s in,” Quinn said. “I think it was just good for him to talk and iron out some things and get a lot off his chest. He seems like he’s in a much better place mentally.

“I think he’s had a real good stretch here over the last four games. You know, you just see a little bit more of a bounce in his step. His personality is back. He’s playing with a lot of passion and enthusiasm. He’s always competed, for sure, but I just think he’s in a much better mind frame, and he’s playing really well. It’s the best hockey he’s played since the season started, for sure.”
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His NHL career isn't going to stop when the Rangers trade him. It might be good to get out of New York. Change of scenery. Being in one spot gets a little stale.
 
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bobbop said:
Zuccarello had been hurt. Perhaps lingering effects of his injury are now finally gone?
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Was thinking this too. Maybe he was just going through recovery and getting back “up to speed”, so to speak. I guess there was also something mental though. He was sticking his head into scrums today like he hadn’t done since before the last trade deadline. At least not consistently. For all his skill, a lot of his game is based on being adventurous and willing to go to the dirty areas. He is horrible when he plays on the perimeter.
But i agree. That could be mental or it could be physical. Or most likely some combination of factors. But he looked great today. This is the Zucc I was for keeping through the rebuild when the rebuild was announced. His last few months have been an incredible let-down and disappointment. But I like to say “onward and upward”.
 
NYRFANMANI said:
Buch is losing ground very quickly. Kind of ended up like Vesey atm, not good enough for an NHL top 6 role, not sound enough defensively for a bottom 6 NHL role.

There is no room for such players on an NHL roster, I fear. At least not one that is competing (talking years into the future).

I think Vesey, Buch and Nam will not be part of the long term solution.
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I dont want to “like” this post, but I fear you may be right. All three have certain NHL skills but they’re just not complete players. Vesey plays a bit like a small Brian Boyle. Namestnikov does lots of nice things but ends up on his face in the corner too often. Buchnevich... he is just a bit ‘out there’. Monsieur Ennui...
 
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The only players the Rangers have to trade in the next 5 plus weeks are Hayes, Zuccarello and McQuaid. However, Kreider's situation needs to be addressed. The Rangers will get more for him at this trading deadline. He will have more time left on his contract. The Rangers know what he wants in his next contract. The Rangers will have contract talks with him in the summer and they won't pay him. The next time to trade him will be the February 2020 trade deadline where they will get a late 1st round pick and that depends much on how he will be playing. The same nonsense. Waiting until the draft to trade him is iffy. Every year everyone says we will see all of these trades made at the draft and nothing happens.
 
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egelband said:
I dont want to “like” this post, but I fear you may be right. All three have certain NHL skills but they’re just not complete players. Vesey plays a bit like a small Brian Boyle. Namestnikov does lots of nice things but ends up on his face in the corner too often. Buchnevich... he is just a bit ‘out there’. Monsieur Ennui...
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Buch has time to develop ... this is a rebuild you ride it out w him

Vesey and Names whatever. Get a good deal and move on
 
Forget the three assists - games like last night (and, honestly, he's been a pretty consistent worker over the course of his Rangers career) make me wonder if getting a 2nd and a prospect is enough for Zuccarello. Rebuilding, assets, etc... I get all that. Are the Rangers, and the assets that are developing currently in the NHL and elsewhere, better served by having this guy as a leader on the ice or better off with a 2nd round pick that has little chance of being as good as he is?

Food for thought. If he were to sign another "Rangers friendly" contract I'd have to give it serious consideration if I'm Gorton.
 
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Gorton and his team have picked guys that have really good character. In fact, they've made character such a high priority in their drafting that he's afforded the Rangers the ability to do without older veterans. That must've been why he picked high character guys. Now he doesn't have to have older vets linger around to pass down the intangibles.
 
RangerBoy said:
What is Wilson giving the Rangers for Kreider? He has already traded his next two first rounders and the Sharks don't have any top prospects.
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Braun+Labanc+ a pick?

The question is if kreider want resign with your team the next season...so give him now to a other team und force your rebuild. Whats about Hayes?
 
germanshark1311 said:
Braun+Labanc+ a pick?

The question is if kreider want resign with your team the next season...so give him now to a other team und force your rebuild. Whats about Hayes?
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There's nothing the Sharks can offer to get Kreider, unless it was Timo Meier, which isn't happening.
 
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Avery16 said:
ADA was like ‘maybe you should play me more, ya dum-dum’
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and everyone else is like "why don't you listen to the god damn coach so you can play more and salvage what may be your last shot at an NHL career, ya dum-dum"
 
Machinehead said:
There's nothing the Sharks can offer to get Kreider, unless it was Timo Meier, which isn't happening.
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It’s going to take a vast overpayment which I don’t believe many teams can can provide. While I’m certain Gorton is listening on Kreider, I believe he ends up being re-signed.
 
haohmaru said:
Forget the three assists - games like last night (and, honestly, he's been a pretty consistent worker over the course of his Rangers career) make me wonder if getting a 2nd and a prospect is enough for Zuccarello. Rebuilding, assets, etc... I get all that. Are the Rangers, and the assets that are developing currently in the NHL and elsewhere, better served by having this guy as a leader on the ice or better off with a 2nd round pick that has little chance of being as good as he is?

Food for thought. If he were to sign another "Rangers friendly" contract I'd have to give it serious consideration if I'm Gorton.
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Glad you aren’t gorton.
 
Tell Zucc you'll be one of the teams to offer a contract in the offseason if he plays well before the trade deadline.

If he wants to stay with the organization, that could be motivation enough for him to work hard. Not sure we'd actually resign him at the age, but it cant hurt as a pitch.

I really wish contract cap hits could be season-specific so re-signing players 29+ to long term deals didn't inevitably lead to 4 seasons of frustration at the tail end.
 
I’m sorry but I just believe the Rangers need to move on. Buchnevich needs the opportunity to prove himself, both Andersson and Chytil need more ice time, and you likely have Kravtsov coming over. Plus, you don’t know what the trade deadline brings, or the draft for that matter. And, I’d rather keep Kreider around than Zuccarello.
 
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