Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXI

[mas0764]

many posters also want to plans for 6-7 years and beyond down the line. It’s just not realistic.

But isn't this what the letter actually promised for once? That we were going to make plans to build into a long term contender? Doesn't that imply that everything is going to have an eye on 5-10 years down the line?

 

[PuckLuck3043]

You'd hope....but on the other hand, hes 30 and going into his 9th season, he might just be what he is at this point regardless of who or what surrounds him.

And he we just get his usual 45-50 points and 25 goals that is still ok.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

The thing is players don't want to sit behind other players if they think it's holding them and their earnings back
If Lundkvist is a fantastic D with a big upside but is stuck behind Fox he's going to want out at some point or price himself out of NY

Fox plays 27 minutes on the top pair, Lundkvist plays 23 minutes on the next pair. Both can play on the #1 PP unit if he is that good offensively as well. Problem solved.

 

[mas0764]

I don't agree with any of this.

Yeah think it's pretty clear we do not agree on Lundkvist the prospect.

 

[rangers1314]

And he we just get his usual 45-50 points and 25 goals that is still ok.

Right, but I think the point was that you're still going to get a few 2-3 week vanishing acts from him. Regardless of his HC.

Kreider is who he is at this point in his career.

 

[Thirty One]

But isn't this what the letter actually promised for once? That we were going to make plans to build into a long term contender? Doesn't that imply that everything is going to have an eye on 5-10 years down the line?

The letter was ripped up on May 5.

 

[Fitzy]

Sorry to say but I think he's going to be more of a finesse player knowing that he's no longer the player expected to stick up for team mates.

I don't think he'll have one fight this year.

IDGAF about fights, I'm talking about more Jed Ortmeyer energy. Raw effort.

 

[mas0764]

The letter was ripped up on May 5.

Yeah, but it's not that "it's not realistic," to plan down the line. It's that this owner doesn't want to. Simple as that.

Many posters want to plan for long term competition and contender status because it is in fact wise and foreseeable. Just because the Rangers don't choose to do it, doesn't mean it can't be done.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

But isn't this what the letter actually promised for once? That we were going to make plans to build into a long term contender? Doesn't that imply that everything is going to have an eye on 5-10 years down the line?

That letter went out over 3 years ago and they are still in the process of building the team. I don't get the issue here. We will likely be a contender in the very near future and for several years after.

 

[mas0764]

That letter went out over 3 years ago and they are still in the process of building the team. I don't get the issue here. We will likely be a contender in the very near future and for several years after.

Right....? I was addressing that it's unrealistic to plan for down the line 5, 6, 7 years.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

Right, but I think the point was that you're still going to get a few 2-3 week vanishing acts from him. Regardless of his HC.

Kreider is who he is at this point in his career.

Definitely. He is streaky and inconsistent but still winds up with decent numbers. He had 20 goals in 50 games last year. Maybe Gallant can get him to not take a 2 week vacation.

 

[NYR]

IDGAF about fights, I'm talking about more Jed Ortmeyer energy. Raw effort.

Yes, we're talking about the exact same thing.
I don't expect any of it out of Kreider this year.

 

[Cag29]

The thing is players don't want to sit behind other players if they think it's holding them and their earnings back
If Lundkvist is a fantastic D with a big upside but is stuck behind Fox he's going to want out at some point or price himself out of NY

Or one of the two of them Fox or Nils should land us a 1c.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Or one of the two of them Fox or Nils should land us a 1c.

Nils can't unless its in a package or for a prospect who ends up becoming one.

Trading Fox is an absurd idea.

 

[NYblades]

Or one of the two of them Fox or Nils should land us a 1c.

I think that's likely to happen at some point.

 

[charliemurphy]

I expect and hope Gallant turns Kreider into the best 3rd line LWer money can buy. Also hoping he stays healthy long enough for his LMNC to kick in 22-23. Ditto for Trouba. Want Gallant to get the most out of both of them... so they can be replaced.

 

[duhmetreE]

Or one of the two of them Fox or Nils should land us a 1c.

Nils will not be a Ranger for long.

 

[Whoot Whoot]

Wouldn't trade fox for anyone except 97

anyone got a rough line up for october?

 

[Thirty One]

Wouldn't trade fox for anyone except 97

Big Gusev fan over here.

 

[LORDE]

But isn't this what the letter actually promised for once? That we were going to make plans to build into a long term contender? Doesn't that imply that everything is going to have an eye on 5-10 years down the line?

Not only that but if we AREN'T planning 5 plus yrs down the line then why do we (Gorton & Drury) keep handing out NMCs?

Yeah, the players want them... of course they do!

Kreider should NOT have one... Goodrow should NOT have one.

You save that shit for Panarin and ok Trouba because we didn't have anyone like him in the system... ok.

We can't have it both ways.

We can't say "The cap will figure itself out" while we have 6 guys who CAN'T be moved and then another 5 guys we would NEVER want to move.

 

[NYR]

I expect and hope Gallant turns Kreider into the best 3rd line LWer money can buy. Also hoping he stays healthy long enough for his LMNC to kick in 22-23. Ditto for Trouba. Want Gallant to get the most out of both of them... so they can be replaced.

I expect them to bump heads.
Kreider is lazy

 

[EdJovanovski]

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

IDGAF about fights, I'm talking about more Jed Ortmeyer energy. Raw effort.

Bingo.

 

[effen]

Kreider is a top 3 player in the world for about 9 periods a year, a top liner for 20-30 games, and a replacement level forward the rest of the time at even strength.

Lucky for us one of these years he will be the 10th best player on the team and that will be our window.

 

[will1066]

This is so cryptic.