Who are u kidding, you’re gonna be bitching at the trade deadline anyway
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starsfan86
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M88K
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I don't think his value could get any lower currently which is part of the problem for Chicago. The retention is where the value starts to comes in.
Chicago (reportedly) isn't willing to go 50% (I don't blame them who wants 4.75m for 5years as dead salary.
Nobody is going to offer up Chicago anything good for Jones at 9.5m
If you could get 25% retention from them that drops Jones to 7.1m. Maybe you can add on an additional 10% through a 3rd team and get him down to 6.5 area.
Even though it goes forever, that's an easy contract to fit in., next year might still be a bit of a pain point depending on what actually happens with Wyatt. then Duchene and Benn.
But we don't have the FO for that kind of move anyway.
We're getting nothing good and we'll "like where the team is at"
Magic Mittens
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Does he really know though? Things can change from day to day. I could see Jones being an offseason deal after RFA signings etc
Also, I wouldn't mind punching Sharpiro in the face. He bugs me
starsfan86
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Who knows. Maybe Nill isn’t telling him everything. Seems weird that we’re apparently asking about Dobson, but Shapiro says we’re only interested in rentals because of the cap.
Troy McClure
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I can’t believe after multiple seasons of us all rightly complaining about Suter being overpaid for what he was and Dumba being overpaid for what he is fans are now pounding the table to bring in Jones to be overpaid as the highest paid #4 guy in the league.
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Elysian
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He directly asked Nill, from what I remember reading, and Nill scoffed and asked how they're going to fit that contract.
My gut feel from what he is saying...
1) the part were we have made our main move is a smoke screen. The size of a final addition could vary but think he is still in the market..too much unknown around Heiskanen returning not to be. Currently Heiskanen is unlikely to play round 1 so the team is one day to day Injury away from playing Brendan Smith in the playoffs...I think we will be adding a defenseman.
2) I do take him at his word he only wants ufa. I don't agree with it but think that is an outcome we will see in who we add. I think he has some nerves around what he will need for Wyatt's pay bump next year and doesn't want big contracts in the way.
Personally thinking Seguin will be viewed as the playoff / deadline forward addition (risky!) so the forward line up is set...
Get a list of the best UFA D men, I think that's who Dallas will get an addition from...but not much else.
Is it a strategy that risks Dallas being a 2nd round or West final bridesmaid again...possibly is.
1) the part were we have made our main move is a smoke screen. The size of a final addition could vary but think he is still in the market..too much unknown around Heiskanen returning not to be. Currently Heiskanen is unlikely to play round 1 so the team is one day to day Injury away from playing Brendan Smith in the playoffs...I think we will be adding a defenseman.
2) I do take him at his word he only wants ufa. I don't agree with it but think that is an outcome we will see in who we add. I think he has some nerves around what he will need for Wyatt's pay bump next year and doesn't want big contracts in the way.
Personally thinking Seguin will be viewed as the playoff / deadline forward addition (risky!) so the forward line up is set...
Get a list of the best UFA D men, I think that's who Dallas will get an addition from...but not much else.
Is it a strategy that risks Dallas being a 2nd round or West final bridesmaid again...possibly is.
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M88K
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I don't think anyone wants jones at 9.5m. and if you can't get 2.5m-3m retained then let him rot in Chicago.
But even with his current level of play, he'd be at worst the 3rd best defenseman on the roster.
Lindell would look like Dumba on Chicago, ok maybe not that bad, but the Chicago effect can't be ignored.
Jones maybe shouldn't be a top pairing guy anymore, regardless of Chicago or not, but putting him next to Miro or Harley would be perfectly fine here.
That was Karlsson, but it's the same scenario 500k isn't going to make a difference, plus the term
M88K
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It's a pitiful list.
In fact the best UFA defenders to be are on PO teams already (expiring not pickups) after those 4-5 guys, it's a drop off to garbage 5-6 types
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We keep getting baited by the media. Given Nill’s track record with trades the last few years, Sean is probably right. It sucks because there’s some fun names available but this shit happens every year. We get excited because we’re loosely connected to big name players and then ultimately end up disappointed in what we get.
This year won’t be any different. I don’t hate the Granlund addition, but that’s as good as it’s gonna get.
This year won’t be any different. I don’t hate the Granlund addition, but that’s as good as it’s gonna get.
Elysian
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Ah that's right, thanks. Still pretty much the same situation.
Smelling Salt
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Shapiro knows all. Don't question it, just accept it
Troy McClure
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One thing to watch is some of the bubble teams in the East are falling off. The number of sellers should be higher than we anticipated a few weeks ago.
Nill can say he only wants UFAs, but that can also change in an instant depending on who becomes available.
Smelling Salt
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I'm not huge on Jones and his cost even with money retained.
However:
- Miro's injury is a concern and could possibly cause a 1st round exit without help at the blueline and who knows how long the team's current window is
- I have no interest in more trades for 6/7 dmen
- I also do know the cupboard is absolutely BARE of defensemen. There are no young reinforcements coming to effectively replace aging vets/UFAs
Nill should probably do something about all this if he can. Maybe Jones can help, maybe he can't. No pressure.
However:
- Miro's injury is a concern and could possibly cause a 1st round exit without help at the blueline and who knows how long the team's current window is
- I have no interest in more trades for 6/7 dmen
- I also do know the cupboard is absolutely BARE of defensemen. There are no young reinforcements coming to effectively replace aging vets/UFAs
Nill should probably do something about all this if he can. Maybe Jones can help, maybe he can't. No pressure.
BrettHullsToe
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And this is why Nill won't win a Cup. He should be bringing Karlsson in at $5 mil, which is only +$1.25 with Dumba headed out and an easy additional amount for the team to accomodate. But he's not a good enough negotiator to make that deal apparently.
What happened to the guy who made the Seguin and Spezza trades? Or hell, even the Sharp trade?
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I have a small glimmer of hope Nill can rip off Chicago and get Jones with a large amount retained for a relatively small return.
Jones is a depreciating asset and his value is only gonna get worse the longer this saga drags out. His full NMC is gonna really handcuff Chicago, and I can see it getting to a point where he just flat out refuses to play for Chicago anymore. The Hawks fans who think he's worth a 1st + prospect even without retainment are out to lunch on how NHL valuation works in these situations.
Absolutely would not count on it though. And it still seems like an offseason deal, but that would give Jones time to simmer down as well, so who knows.
Jones is a depreciating asset and his value is only gonna get worse the longer this saga drags out. His full NMC is gonna really handcuff Chicago, and I can see it getting to a point where he just flat out refuses to play for Chicago anymore. The Hawks fans who think he's worth a 1st + prospect even without retainment are out to lunch on how NHL valuation works in these situations.
Absolutely would not count on it though. And it still seems like an offseason deal, but that would give Jones time to simmer down as well, so who knows.
It was a great addition. He is not some older, washed up scoring forward (Nagy, Eaves, etc.). He is a very good player and a great get, worth the first round pick. Ceci is okay for a 3/4th, but we do need one more impact D man to really compete, IMHO. However, having used our assets, it may be a tough sell.
if he could actually negotiate, dumba would be gone and mcdavid would be a star.. am i doing this right?
freaking hilarious to assume that there's a deal they'd take that gives them dumba and retains that much without giving up a ridiculous amount on the stars' side. there are other teams out there negotiating, too.
piqued
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I don't put a lot of stock in media quotes but Nill "scoffing" at legitimate ideas rubs me the wrong way. Can't have small or limited thinking when you're competing against the Vegas and Florida of the world.
.... and maybe if you didn't sign idiotic contracts in the offseason you'd have more latitude to make bold moves now
.... and maybe if you didn't sign idiotic contracts in the offseason you'd have more latitude to make bold moves now
M88K
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In the hypothetical world where they add jones (retained obviously) 5 of 6 d-core spots are locked up
as is
They should have 4 guys for the foreseeable future between Harley, Heiskanen, Lindell and Bichsel (pending concussions) and his actual development
If they add Jones (though that term is ehh) they'd have 5 of 6 spots locked up a bare D pipeline wouldn't matter for a while
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Smelling Salt
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Exactly. That is why while I'm not super crazy about Jones, it's not terrible if the ideal transaction comes along - and is certainly better than a revolving door of 5/6/7 dmen because nothing NHL quality is coming from the farm.
