Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXI - Let's make a deal

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

in terms of a 'big sell-off', we don't have that many pieces left to sell to make it a 'big' sell-off...I also view a sell-off as trading away guys for picks and prospects. Saying we won't have a sell-off doesn't necessarily mean that guys won't get traded, it could mean that if they get dealt it will be for another NHLer...

There's really not much left to sell. If you want to bring up guys like Lundqvist, Staal and Smith, I'll add there's not much they can sell.

 

[Trxjw]

I don't envision a big-time sell off either. I think Fast and Strome are guys you can keep for 3 more years at the right price. Georgiev is an off-season trade once you have a better understanding of Lundqvist's future. Teams usually aren't looking for 1B goalies at the TDL either.

Kreider is the only guy who I think is more likely than not to get traded. He's the top winger on the market right now and should be at the deadline as well. Even if he is in the Rangers' plans for the future, you can still trade him and try to bring him back as a free agent. Though I think that's a long-shot at best.

This doesn't strike me as a team who wants to sell off everything that isn't nailed down and slide towards a bottom-5 finish. I think they'd like to move a guy like Kreider, maybe for a guy who can play immediately, and then try to see if they can still squeak into a wild card spot. I could even see them "buying" a young NHLer at the deadline that they think can be a future piece. Similar to Coyle to Boston last year or Tatar the year before.

 

[Alluckks]

Serious question for everyone:

What would it take for Ryan Strome to convince you to give him a long term deal (say 4 years) this off-season? Assuming he hasn't already done so with his 39 points in 42 games.

65 pt year and he agrees to 4.75 over 4 years

 

[Beer League Sniper]

I'll echo what @Oscar Lindberg said - I don't think we're looking at a huge sell-0ff.

Kreider probably goes, I think Fast is 50/50.

I think Strome and Georgiev go in the offseason, if they go at all. A lot of that will depend on the contract of the former, and how the goalie situation shapes up for the latter.

Guys like Buch, Skjei, etc. aren't going to be shopped for picks or prospects, you're probably looking at similarly aged players --- maybe even a few years older.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Based on Gorton's history, I would be very shocked if anyone other than the UFAs are dealt on season.

I also would not be shocked to see Deangelo and Buchnevich moved in jockey trades over the summer. I can see arguments either way, but I have a hunch they will be players this summer.

WE neeed fewer jockeys, more horses.

 

[Fitzy]

65 pt year and he agrees to 4.75 over 4 years

Even if Strome regresses back to 35-40 point form, that contract for a guy who can play the PK and play anywhere including centering the 2nd/3rd line is far from an albatross. And it covers just his prime years. He's been playing huge minutes this season.

I've been really skeptical of re-signing Strome, but I'd be very tempted if he accepted something like that.

On other trades, I mentioned Georgiev for Labanc, but Buchnevich for Labanc as a 'hockey trade' makes sense too.

 

[True Blue]

I don't envision a big-time sell off either. I think Fast and Strome are guys you can keep for 3 more years at the right price. Georgiev is an off-season trade once you have a better understanding of Lundqvist's future. Teams usually aren't looking for 1B goalies at the TDL either.

Kreider is the only guy who I think is more likely than not to get traded. He's the top winger on the market right now and should be at the deadline as well. Even if he is in the Rangers' plans for the future, you can still trade him and try to bring him back as a free agent. Though I think that's a long-shot at best.

I think that if Strome is writing himself into the family photo and they want to sign DeAngelo to a long term deal, then I can see where both Kreider and Buchnevich are gone

 

[True Blue]

65 pt year and he agrees to 4.75 over 4 years

He gets that many points and he is a bargain at $5m. This is why I keep saying that, depending on what their views are for signing DeAngelo long term and how they view Strome, room may need to be created outside of Kreider. And that means dealing DeAngelo. Unless of course they want to keep Kreider, then it gets murky.

 

[Edge]

Need time to see what names emerge and what teams are more active.

We've had past names and teams, but we'll have to see if the Rangers stay engaged with them.

I think Colorado will be active in talks about Kreider. Ditto for Boston.

Toronto and the Rangers could still connect, but I really don't think the Rangers want to trade Skjei without having a short- to medium-term path forward on LD.

 

[Fitzy]

I'm still having nightmares from when we signed Nylander, he fired his agent, and then went off and signed with two other teams at the same time.

 

[bobbop]

I hate to be a broken record but watch the Rangers and Vegas carefully.

 

[Fitzy]

I hate to be a broken record but watch the Rangers and Vegas carefully.

Nick Holden grand return confirmed.

 

[Alluckks]

Labance for Georgiev woukd be a very good move imo, we need more legit middle 6 players that can score

Kreider for Heinen, 1st, prospect would also be great

There is a chance our team could even improve after those trades

If in some magical world Hajek starts playing better again or Rykov shows he is ready then Skjei could potentially be dealt to someone like Toronto as well

Panarin Strome Labanc
Heinen Zib Buch
Lemiuex Chytil Kakko
Smith Howden Fast

 

[Alluckks]

I hate to be a broken record but watch the Rangers and Vegas carefully.

What kind of names? Or positions even?

 

[Trxjw]

I think that if Strome is writing himself into the family photo and they want to sign DeAngelo to a long term deal, then I can see where both Kreider and Buchnevich are gone

Yeah I think it's one of those situations where you need to see how the big picture comes together. Strome and ADA with new deals pretty much eliminates Kreider unless some other big deals are made to move out and/or reallocate salary.

I don't see the Rangers being huge movers at the deadline, but between the draft and the start of next season I can easily see them being one of the more active teams in the NHL.

 

[NYR Viper]

65 pt year and he agrees to 4.75 over 4 years

Even if Strome regresses back to 35-40 point form, that contract for a guy who can play the PK and play anywhere including centering the 2nd/3rd line is far from an albatross. And it covers just his prime years. He's been playing huge minutes this season.

I've been really skeptical of re-signing Strome, but I'd be very tempted if he accepted something like that.

On other trades, I mentioned Georgiev for Labanc, but Buchnevich for Labanc as a 'hockey trade' makes sense too.

I think that if Strome is writing himself into the family photo and they want to sign DeAngelo to a long term deal, then I can see where both Kreider and Buchnevich are gone

He gets that many points and he is a bargain at $5m. This is why I keep saying that, depending on what their views are for signing DeAngelo long term and how they view Strome, room may need to be created outside of Kreider. And that means dealing DeAngelo. Unless of course they want to keep Kreider, then it gets murky.

For me, anything at or above 60 points on the year and a $4.75- $5m per year contract for 4 years is what does it for me.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

I hate to be a broken record but watch the Rangers and Vegas carefully.

Kreider, Georgiev, Anderson for Glass

 

[Trxjw]

I might be over thinking it, but color me nervous about Labanc. I worry a little bit about trying to get him a new contract after he took a sweetheart deal to let San Jose work their cap only to get traded less than a year later.

 

[SA16]

Labance for Georgiev woukd be a very good move imo, we need more legit middle 6 players that can score

Kreider for Heinen, 1st, prospect would also be great

There is a chance our team could even improve after those trades

If in some magical world Hajek starts playing better again or Rykov shows he is ready then Skjei could potentially be dealt to someone like Toronto as well

Panarin Strome Labanc
Heinen Zib Buch
Lemiuex Chytil Kakko
Smith Howden Fast

We need more middle 6 players that can score yet 80% of the site wants to get rid of Buch because he doesn't score enough to not be a middle 6 player.

 

[Trxjw]

Toronto and the Rangers could still connect, but I really don't think the Rangers want to trade Skjei without having a short- to medium-term path forward on LD.

Still crazy to think about how rapidly the LD market disappeared. We're in a situation where Jake Gardiner might be the best guy rumored to be on the market. Felt like that caliber of player was available almost on-demand for a while, and then suddenly the market is bare.

 

[Alluckks]

We need more middle 6 players that can score yet 80% of the site wants to get rid of Buch because he doesn't score enough to not be a middle 6 player.

Buch is one of those cases where we know what we got with him so it kinda loses optimism; I’m mostly fine with him but he also just doesn’t inspire anything in games a lot. I’m fine to keep him. The bottom line is that we just need a couple more quality scoring forwards and a ideally replace both Skjei and Staal with better defenders (not comparing Skjei and Staal but upgrading from each of them)

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Nick Holden grand return confirmed.

Lol wat?

 

[howztheglass]

W

Funny you wrote this offer--Would anyone entertain kreider, fast and andersson for alex newhook ? good chance CK would repp there. would doesnt love denver ?

I just wrote yesterday wondering if Kreider and Georgiev ( see below ) could snag Newhook. Colorado has a bunch of young players that I think could help--but Newhook is the prize.

Watching the game tonight Colorado is still having some issues in goal.

I know Colorado won’t deal Newhook in a deal for Kreider but what about Kreider and Georgiev.

Or Kreider and Georgiev for Jost Kaut and 1st. To little to much.

They also have Bowers/Greer And Timmins whom could be added to some package.

I don’t want to deal Georgiev but I’d be willing to package him for a large return.

 

[SA16]

Buch is one of those cases where we know what we got with him so it kinda loses optimism; I’m mostly fine with him but he also just doesn’t inspire anything in games a lot. I’m fine to keep him. The bottom line is that we just need a couple more quality scoring forwards and a ideally replace both Skjei and Staal with better defenders (not comparing Skjei and Staal but upgrading from each of them)

I agree we need more guys like that but I don't think Labanc has this untapped potential that Buch doesn't have. They are the same age, debuted the same year, and Buch has outscored him at 5v5 every year but one. Buch has actually

 

[Edge]

Still crazy to think about how rapidly the LD market disappeared. We're in a situation where Jake Gardiner might be the best guy rumored to be on the market. Felt like that caliber of player was available almost on-demand for a while, and then suddenly the market is bare.

Unfortunately, markets can be reactionary. There was a push for RDs for a while, and now you're somewhat seeing a shortage of available LDs on the market.

I think it's also why the Rangers are hesitant to move Skjei, without having a safety net. And no, before someone mentions Lindgren, Hajek, Miller, Jones and company, they are not a strong safety net for moving Skjei in 2020.