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Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXI - Let's make a deal

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eco's bones said:
Kreider opens up his own home in Connecticut as a place for younger Rangers players and prospects to stay and to train and learn about nutrition over the summers. He's been very actively involved in their conditioning. It doesn't seem likely but I think if the Rangers could figure out a way to keep him they would.
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Every day it makes more sense to keep Kreider. But I guess that’s just me being emotional rather than logical. I’m sure his value to a contender goes up every day too, likewise.
At this point though I’d rather they trade Buchnevich and put that money toward CK.
 
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pld459666 said:
Spoke with a friend of mine out of Boston.

He told me about Hayes to NYR before anyone reported interest. Same with Vesey.

He has connections in Boston Area Hockey

That Bolded statement above is what he stated was being discussed.

Could be nothing, but hes 2 for 2 in terms of NYR and Boston connected players specifically
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I think the prospect is not enough. Think you have to at least get Frederic back. Who may be considered a prospect i guess but yea
 
Edge said:
I kind of feel like he's been about what I expected --- good and not so good.

To me, this looks like a very typical Trouba season, especially when you adjust for him not being on a team like Winnipeg was.

So I sometimes wonder if we're comparing Trouba to realistic expectations, or the ones that a lot of people had for him --- which were always likely to result in a let-down.

However, I do think there is one area in which Trouba is underrated. And that's in his role as the guy who provides some leeway for the rest of the defense to do their own thing. Obviously it's not all on him, and those guys have talent. But it's also easier to put those guys into situations where they don't have to be exploited or pushed too far too soon. Frankly, if we traded Trouba, or if he went down for a significant period of time, I think we'd start to see the flaws of other players become more pronounced.
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To expand on this; Fox and DeAngelo are not killing penalties. That's a huge burden that Trouba is carrying the freight on.
 
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I feel like Boston has always be after Kreider and they have one key wrinkle that might make them the most appealing for Gorton: They have to move a body in order to fit Kreider. Even at 50% they'd need to make space. So it stands to reason that the Rangers would have a strong chance of getting a young NHL player back, which most of us have speculated to be Heinen.

Just gotta think that it comes down to Boston and Colorado there. They have the pick, prospect depth, and younger reclamation project I would think the Rangers are asking for.
 
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Trxjw said:
I feel like Boston has always be after Kreider and they have one key wrinkle that might make them the most appealing for Gorton: They have to move a body in order to fit Kreider. Even at 50% they'd need to make space. So it stands to reason that the Rangers would have a strong chance of getting a young NHL player back, which most of us have speculated to be Heinen.

Just gotta think that it comes down to Boston and Colorado there. They have the pick, prospect depth, and younger reclamation project I would think the Rangers are asking for.
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Who? Jost?

I recognize more of Boston’s prospects but that might be because of the trade deadline last year. Not saying we would get any of them but Studnicka, Bjork, Frederic, Zboril, Vaakanainen, Senyshyn.
 
I think Tuch is a better player at 23 than Kreider was. He doesn't have the blazing speed but he has better hands. The fact that he's locked up on a potential bargain of a contract for 7 years is a huge plus for a team like the Rangers who will be navigating some treacherous salary cap waters in the next 5 years. Stick him with Strome and Panarin and it's not unreasonable to expect the same goal output you're getting from Kreider year to year.
 
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Trxjw said:
I feel like Boston has always be after Kreider and they have one key wrinkle that might make them the most appealing for Gorton: They have to move a body in order to fit Kreider. Even at 50% they'd need to make space. So it stands to reason that the Rangers would have a strong chance of getting a young NHL player back, which most of us have speculated to be Heinen.

Just gotta think that it comes down to Boston and Colorado there. They have the pick, prospect depth, and younger reclamation project I would think the Rangers are asking for.
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What kind of a player is Heinen? Who is a comparable? I’ve only seen him a couple times.
 
I can’t believe some here continue to have the thought that re-signing Kreider is a possibility. The only way he sticks around is if the Rangers win 80% of their games leading up to the deadline and have no choice but to go for it. He will not be a Ranger come 2020-2021. The math just doesn’t work.
 
I'm not down on Quinn but if Mtl does a dumb move like dumping Julien , I'd take him here in a heartbeat.
 
RGY said:
Who? Jost?

I recognize more of Boston’s prospects but that might be because of the trade deadline last year. Not saying we would get any of them but Studnicka, Bjork, Frederic, Zboril, Vaakanainen, Senyshyn.
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Yeah, Jost. He's struggled more in the NHL than Heinen has, but he's younger, cheaper, and has more pedigree. So I would expect him to hold slightly more value in a trade. But both he and Heinen are basically fringe guys on their respective teams with the way they've been playing.

The Avs have a considerably weaker pool than the Bruins once you get outside of the top 3 guys because theyr'e really just horrible when it comes to drafting and developing outside of the top-10 it seems. Kaut is having a terrible year, but I don't think he'd be in a deal with Jost and a 1st coming back. Maybe the Rangers would consider dropping the 1st to a lower pick if they like Kaut, but I dunno. Greer is a guy who I think can still be a nasty 4th line guy but he bailed on Quinn at BU so there might be bad blood there.
 
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Trxjw said:
Yeah, Jost. He's struggled more in the NHL than Heinen has, but he's younger, cheaper, and has more pedigree. So I would expect him to hold slightly more value in a trade. But both he and Heinen are basically fringe guys on their respective teams with the way they've been playing.

The Avs have a considerably weaker pool than the Bruins once you get outside of the top 3 guys because theyr'e really just horrible when it comes to drafting and developing outside of the top-10 it seems. Kaut is having a terrible year, but I don't think he'd be in a deal with Jost and a 1st coming back. Maybe the Rangers would consider dropping the 1st to a lower pick if they like Kaut, but I dunno. Greer is a guy who I think can still be a nasty 4th line guy but he bailed on Quinn at BU so there might be bad blood there.
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Well thats why I probably havent heard much about Colorado’s system.

Would much prefer Heinen if it meant one of the guys i had listed came with him.
 
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QJL said:
I can’t believe some here continue to have the thought that re-signing Kreider is a possibility. The only way he sticks around is if the Rangers win 80% of their games leading up to the deadline and have no choice but to go for it. He will not be a Ranger come 2020-2021. The math just doesn’t work.
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I think if Georgiev and Buch are moved and CK takes 5/30 for example, it could work. Not likely, I know.
 
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bobbop said:
Tuch hasn't been great this year either.
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With Tuch the hope is that he can get back to the way he was trending early last season --- because he hasn't been on the same path for a while. And that was my initial concern when the idea was floated of moving ADA for him.

I think Tuch's production is a little misleading, because everyone is looking at the total from last year, and not the distribution.

This is a guy who scored 14 goals through January of last year. But since January 23, 2019, Tuch has only scored something like 11 goals in his last 61 games --- and has watched his average ice time drop since the start of last season. So my concerns go just beyond this season.

I just see a little bit of Trouba in this scenario - a player who we like the concept of, more than the reality.

Because based on the last 12 months, Tuch does not look like a guy on the cusp of turning 25 goals into 30. He looks like a guy who has some work to do in order to get back to 20, saying nothing about production beyond that.

Now that's not the end of the world, but we have to be careful to value that accordingly.
 
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KreiderBomb said:
How come everyone started talking about Tuch?
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Yeah, I really don’t see Vegas giving up a solid roster player.

If we’re trading with Vegas, Dugan, Morozov, and Dorofeyev are realistic targets.

I don’t see a deadline deal with that team, nor do I see a Skjei deal until the offseason.

Kreider - Colorado, Boston, Edmonton, Tampa, St, Louis, Pittsburgh

Georgiev - Toronto, Carolina, Edmonton, Florida, Colorado

Fast - Any playoff team
 
QJL said:
Yeah, I really don’t see Vegas giving up a solid roster player.

If we’re trading with Vegas, Dugan, Morozov, and Dorofeyev are realistic targets.

I don’t see a deadline deal with that team, nor do I see a Skjei deal until the offseason.

Kreider - Colorado, Boston, Edmonton, Tampa, St, Louis, Pittsburgh

Georgiev - Toronto, Carolina, Edmonton, Florida, Colorado

Fast - Any playoff team
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Vegas has no choice but to move money off the roster. They arent moving their big forwards. They have to offset Skjei’s salary while still giving up value to get Skjei.

Tuch has to be in the deal otherwise we trade Skjei somewhere else
 
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RGY said:
Vegas has no choice but to move money off the roster. They arent moving their big forwards. They have to offset Skjei’s salary while still giving up value to get Skjei.

Tuch has to be in the deal otherwise we trade Skjei somewhere else
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Yeah, it’s just not happening at the deadline.

Regardless, I personally think Tuch is a more valuable asset than Skjei. He was the best forward on that team for a majority of last season.
 
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