Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXI - Let's make a deal

[Raspewtin]

Tuch is a worse Kreider (that is a compliment) but he's a great player and I'd be thrilled to have him.

 

[RangersFan1994]

Trade Skjei and keep Kreider, maybe?

and to resign DeAngelo long term

 

[RangersFan1994]

Tuch is a worse Kreider (that is a compliment) but he's a great player and I'd be thrilled to have him.

Wild were very dumb to make that trade, was it to not select Brodin if I am not mistaken??

 

[NYR Viper]

Wild were very dumb to make that trade, was it to not select Brodin if I am not mistaken??

Brodin and Dumba I believe

 

[wafflepadsave]

Well I agree like I said he may go down for a weekend here and there but AHl playoffs? When our season ends maybe If we don’t make the playoffs. But I don’t think that’s on anyone’s mind there right now.

but you cut the duties into thirds just to trade a guy in the off-season makes little sense. Teams want Georgiev now. No doubt about it. So makes very little sense to keep him till the summer just to trade him.

Well if they want Georgiev now, they better start showing their best offers.

 

[leetch99]

Tonight’s game is yet another reminder about how much this team needs to add sandpaper. A lot of sandpaper.

That will be further exposed in the Fishstick 3 game mini series next week . Geesh....would love to add somebody before then that can handle Johnston and Martin .

 

[leetch99]

Coarse sand paper

LOL...at least one sheet !

 

[leetch99]

There is a path to keep Kreider. I agree with that. But there are two things that, at least to me, go into the equation.

Let's forget about DeAngelo for the purpose of this. First of all, does Kreider want to be here enough to strike a deal with Gorton? One that fits in within the confines of what he would want deal with as far as dollars and term? Gorton will not underpay him, but he can get more on the market and also the term is important. Second of all, just how much does management like Strome? I say that because I cannot see both being here. I think that Buchnevich is out the door no matter what, but I cannot see a scenario where Strome and Krieder are both here long term.

But then again, who knows? This is nothing but speculation by me and attempting to read the tea leaves.

Plus Chytil and KK are looking better all the time . At some point those two will need to be elevated to top 6 . Chytil had come a long way for us . I also wish we could pry the Engvall kid out of TO if we work a deal with them....he looks really GOOD of late .

 

[Fitzy]

I didn't want to write this either- but Kreider is pretty obviously am important locker room guy, and mentor to Buchnevich. Not certain he is worth the investment to resign, but there could be some negative externalities if he leaves.

Can't be any worse than zuccs departure, though I still think Zucc ends up back here eventually.

 

[leetch99]

If they could turn Buch into a competent LD and a depth forward that would be the ideal tradeoff moving forward. Maybe they grab Carrier in the deal with LV to offset the money.

Kreider-Zib-Tuch
Panarin-Strome-Fast
Lemmy-Chytil-Kakko
Howden-Mckegg-Carrier
Smith

???/Hajek-Trouba
???/Hajek-DeAngelo
Lindgren-Fox
Staal

Or

They could get a forward for Buch that plays more of the north-south game to push Fast down to the 4th line, try DeAngelo at LD and bring up Keane.

Hajek-Trouba
DeAngelo-Fox
Lindgren-Keane
Staal

Carrier would be a solid add moving forward...a guy who would like playoff hockey when things heat up .

 

[Edge]

And the thing with Kreider isn't that he doesn't have value or a place on this team --- it's the cost/term.

Because at some point, something has to give. You can't have Buch, Kreider, ADA, Strome, etc. all under contract without something giving.

Now I know this going to sound lousy, but it ties into discussions we had earlier in that thread.

Trading ramifications aside, how much does having Lundqvist's $8.5 million back in the budget help?

 

[leetch99]

Ride out the Hank contract next season unless he waives for a Cup bound club late in the season . Get Engvall out of TO for Georgie and another piece if possible . Move Chytil and KK up and Fast and Lemieux down and make trades for the UFA's that will benefit us within the next 2- 3 seasons . I have no clue on how our defense gets fixed.... but neither does Lindy it seems. I would also keep a close watch on the Turk Gallant situation in Vegas . His 5 year deal is on the backside of it now and they might want changes . He might be let go if they bow out early this playoff and or start bad the next . Either way...I would be standing there waving MANY large bills when his deal is up especially when we have that stuff by the boatload for coaching staff . Have the Beaver put the bug in his ear that we are willing to outbid all suitors . Might just be the best add GM Gorton can make without involving Cap money .

 

[The Crypto Guy]

I didn't want to write this either- but Kreider is pretty obviously am important locker room guy, and mentor to Buchnevich. Not certain he is worth the investment to resign, but there could be some negative externalities if he leaves.

Can't be any worse than zuccs departure, though I still think Zucc ends up back here eventually.

Buch is in his 4th NHL season, he doesn't need Kreider as a mentor.

There is absolutely no reason to keep Kreider, zero. It makes no sense at all unless you think the cap will magically go away in a couple years.

 

[eco's bones]

Kreider opens up his own home in Connecticut as a place for younger Rangers players and prospects to stay and to train and learn about nutrition over the summers. He's been very actively involved in their conditioning. It doesn't seem likely but I think if the Rangers could figure out a way to keep him they would.

 

[eco's bones]

Still not in a hurry to move Georgiev. We would have to get the right return. He's going to be an NHL starter.

 

[NYR Viper]

If Kreider were a UFA would this team be interested at 6-7 years? The answer is no

 

[Edge]

If Kreider were a UFA would this team be interested at 6-7 years? The answer is no

Personally, I'd move him for assets because that next contract concerns me.

But, if the Rangers were to keep him, it's going to necessitate other moves. It's the other moves part and the inability to have every contract that seems to get glossed over every time we get to this point with an UFA.

We wanted to keep McD. We wanted to keep Hayes. We want to keep Kreider. If we did that each time, that's around $20 million dollars next season.

The point is, we're not moving away from these guys because we think they suck. We're moving away because we're trying to use the money differently and acquire some assets in the process.

 

[rangers1314]

Haven't been able to check the news today...is Lindgren a go for tomorrow night? I don't see a callup announcement anywhere.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

Haven't been able to check the news today...is Lindgren a go for tomorrow night? I don't see a callup announcement anywhere.

Lindgren didn’t skate today. Smith was on D in practice. Hajek was a full participant too.

 

[xsniper11x]

IMO< you pay the player who you know fits your team and makes a consistent difference and then figure it out later. It's very possible that if Skjei is traded, the left side of the Rangers defense could be cheap for quite a while. Hajek, Rykov and Lindgren are not the types who cash in early in their careers and guys like Reunanen, Miller, Jones, etc are a couple years away from NHL duty at best and if/when they do, will be cheap for 2-3 years after they start at a minimum.

I really don't see the fear of paying Trouba, ADA and Fox as long as we look at the defense's entire cap hit. We just need to zoom out a bit.

Fair points and I agree you should look at the D as a total cost, with discounts on the LD ELCs subsidizing higher priced players on the RD. However, let’s dig into that.

1) is there too much redundancy there at RD to invest so much in? There isn’t a steady Stralman/Manson type there. They are all predominantly offensive weapons with Trouba being forced into a defensive role.

2) Can that additional $6-7mm we’ll spend be better allocated at forward? Maybe for a young 2C we can acquire using ADA instead of Dmen that will play 20 mins? Cheap LD aside, one of those RD is getting 3rd pair ES minutes.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Kreider opens up his own home in Connecticut as a place for younger Rangers players and prospects to stay and to train and learn about nutrition over the summers. He's been very actively involved in their conditioning. It doesn't seem likely but I think if the Rangers could figure out a way to keep him they would.

That's great and all, but i'm sure the Ranger's already have the top of the line trainers and nutritionists in the business. And i'm also very certain the Ranger players use them and not Kreider in his open house, but that's just a guess.

 

[pld459666]

Kreider for Heinen, 1st, prospect would also be great

Spoke with a friend of mine out of Boston.

He told me about Hayes to NYR before anyone reported interest. Same with Vesey.

He has connections in Boston Area Hockey

That Bolded statement above is what he stated was being discussed.

Could be nothing, but hes 2 for 2 in terms of NYR and Boston connected players specifically

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Offer Kreider a 5 year deal, 5 mill a year and the promise of being the team health guru after he retires, like a Gary Robert's type

 

[Edge]

Spoke with a friend of mine out of Boston.

He told me about Hayes to NYR before anyone reported interest. Same with Vesey.

He has connections in Boston Area Hockey

That Bolded statement above is what he stated was being discussed.

Could be nothing, but hes 2 for 2 in terms of NYR and Boston connected players specifically

I will tell you that based on past conversations, I would be shocked if Boston is not in the mix.

 

[bobbop]

What I will say is the Igor chant sounds like crap. The chant should be Shesty. So for the loyal blue seaters here. Please make the change quickly.

You've already lost this one.