Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXI - Let's make a deal

[Kovalev27]

Well quinn just put a TON of heat on Lundqvist to win a game in St Louis that he shouldn’t have to start. He loses that game everyone will be screaming as to why Shesterkin didn’t start. Why mess with a winning streak. Igor starts that game and loses and it’s no big deal hank can start the next one no questions asked. It’s another bad decision in a long line of them for Quinn. He seems to continually get in the way of this team going on any sort of run with constant changes.

 

[Savant]

Why does he need a better partner? He has the 5th highest cap-hit among defensemen in the NHL

The first thing has nothing to do with the second thing.

 

[RGY]

Well quinn just put a TON of heat on Lundqvist to win a game in St Louis that he shouldn’t have to start. He loses that game everyone will be screaming as to why Shesterkin didn’t start. Why mess with a winning streak. Igor starts that game and loses and it’s no big deal hank can start the next one no questions asked. It’s another bad decision in a long line of them for Quinn. He seems to continually get in the way of this team going on any sort of run with constant changes.

To be fair I dont think Shesty was playing 3 straight. So it would have to have been Hank or GG.

 

[ETTER DE]

Lias A. to Detroit is a definite possibility. Interest and ties there. LA too

Do you think we can add Smith to him? (Smith has a salary of 3,35 mill this year, which of signing bonus is 1 mill.) Would be nice to get rid of the whole of Smiths cap hit. Detroit has a lot of money coming off the cap this year.

 

[NYRangers0723]

So because a defenseman gets paid good money, they don’t need a competent partner so that they dont have to overcompensate every time on the ice for the partner’s shortcoming.


This is LOL funny and ignorant at the same time

Personally I think he has been a mixed bag so far. Has done some good thing but also some bad things too. I was fine with the trade but I am scared of that contract. I know he isn’t going anywhere but we need to see more from him

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

This team needs to figure out a way to keep what works, Strome, ADA, Kreider and lose what doesn't Skjei and Buch. That's what good teams do.

 

[Edge]

Holtby hasn't been close to elite for the past two/three seasons.

I would agree he's been hit or miss, and more miss than hit as time goes by.

I also think we're in a transition period where a lot of goalie stats and visuals are changing. So while guys like Lundqvist aren't at the top of their game, their numbers would look different compared to several years back even if they were.

 

[RGY]

Personally I think he has been a mixed bag so far. Has done some good thing but also some bad things too. I was fine with the trade but I am scared of that contract. I know he isn’t going anywhere but we need to see more from him

Sure I think there is still room for him to do more but he certainly has been far more good than bad. He has been very effective. His production is about 5-7 less points than i expected it to be at this point. Maybe a bit more because I thought he would have the #1 PP spot. But the emergence of ADA and Fox have changed that for him.

Even with the PP role reduction, he is still averaging 23 minutes, has 112 hits and 77 blocks. 13th in the league in SOG. He has a big shot, he is getting them on net. I think some more goals will come even if its next season where it jumps.

And add in that he has had a rotation of partners over the course of the season.

 

[mulli25]

Personally I think he has been a mixed bag so far. Has done some good thing but also some bad things too. I was fine with the trade but I am scared of that contract. I know he isn’t going anywhere but we need to see more from him

I think we'd all like to see a little more from Trouba, but that contract doesn't really scare me. Yeah he could end up being overpaid by ~2 million a year over the course of the contract, but that's nothing compared to overpaying Staal by about $5M, or having $6M is dead cap from Shattenkirk's buyout.

Healthy organizations can absorb mild over-payments of contributing players, and that's pretty much the worst-case of likely scenario with Trouba as I see it.

 

[nyrleetch]

Thanks for responses!

 

[Edge]

I wish they'd consider moving Trouba, yet I don't think they will.

I kind of feel like he's been about what I expected --- good and not so good.

To me, this looks like a very typical Trouba season, especially when you adjust for him not being on a team like Winnipeg was.

So I sometimes wonder if we're comparing Trouba to realistic expectations, or the ones that a lot of people had for him --- which were always likely to result in a let-down.

However, I do think there is one area in which Trouba is underrated. And that's in his role as the guy who provides some leeway for the rest of the defense to do their own thing. Obviously it's not all on him, and those guys have talent. But it's also easier to put those guys into situations where they don't have to be exploited or pushed too far too soon. Frankly, if we traded Trouba, or if he went down for a significant period of time, I think we'd start to see the flaws of other players become more pronounced.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

A little reading between the lines here, probably going to be sellers at the deadline lol

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

So because a defenseman gets paid good money, they don’t need a competent partner so that they dont have to overcompensate every time on the ice for the partner’s shortcoming.


This is LOL funny and ignorant at the same time

Also, in +/- two years, that AAV is going to look like a bargain.

 

[Fitzy]

I think we'd all like to see a little more from Trouba, but that contract doesn't really scare me. Yeah he could end up being overpaid by ~2 million a year over the course of the contract, but that's nothing compared to overpaying Staal by about $5M, or having $6M is dead cap from Shattenkirk's buyout.

Healthy organizations can absorb mild over-payments of contributing players, and that's pretty much the worst-case of likely scenario with Trouba as I see it.

True, but we traded a first and am ok young blueliner for Trouba, and some of his years are somewhat cost controlled RFA. That adds to the disappointment if he doesn't play up to contractual snuff.

 

[RangerBoy]

Big picture

 

[hi]

So because a defenseman gets paid good money, they don’t need a competent partner so that they dont have to overcompensate every time on the ice for the partner’s shortcoming.
This is LOL funny and ignorant at the same time

My sincerest apologies for thinking that the defenseman with the 5th highest cap-hit among defensemen in the NHL should be plenty capable of carrying his own pairing.

 

[RangerBoy]

Big picture are the key words. The Rangers are not close to being where they want to be.

 

[Edge]

There is a very, very small group that does.

It would be absolutely ASININE. It took YEARS to stabilize the right side. One good half of the season, albeit offensively, from the right side and people think we can move on from Trouba. I dont want to say those people are morons but they are damn near close to that term. Trouba is a #1B RD. He may not be elite but he does a ton of good things. Oh and he actually plays physical, sticks up for teammates, protects the front of the net, has a nasty side to him, lays big hits which makes opposing forwards have to think twice entering the zone, and can play actual DEFENSE.

It aint happening so no need to worry really, but its mind boggling that some think its a good move

The thing we have to be careful about is letting the quest for the perfect get in the way of the good.

Often times, the minute we stabilize an area, we run the risk of thinking we've solved the problem so we can blow it up and improve another area. The end result isn't really an improvement, so much as a musical chairs act where we keep arranging and re-arranging the finite amount of resources we have available.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

I kind of feel like he's been about what I expected --- good and not so good.

To me, this looks like a very typical Trouba season, especially when you adjust for him not being on a team like Winnipeg was.

So I sometimes wonder if we're comparing Trouba to realistic expectations, or the ones that a lot of people had for him --- which were always likely to result in a let-down.

However, I do think there is one area in which Trouba is underrated. And that's in his role as the guy who provides some leeway for the rest of the defense to do their own thing. Obviously it's not all on him, and those guys have talent. But it's also easier to put those guys into situations where they don't have to be exploited or pushed too far too soon. Frankly, if we traded Trouba, or if he went down for a significant period of time, I think we'd start to see the flaws of other players become more pronounced.

This part is SO overlooked by those in a rush to trade him, and so vital to the success of the team in the long term.

 

[RGY]

My sincerest apologies for thinking that the defenseman with the 5th highest cap-hit among defensemen in the NHL should be plenty capable of carrying his own pairing.

Show me the other top 10 paid defensemen. Who are there partners? Or who have their partners been during the initial years after the contract was signed.

Thanks.

 

[hi]

Show me the other top 10 paid defensemen. Who are there partners? Or who have their partners been during the initial years after the contract was signed.

Thanks.

The better exercise would be for you to name who you think the top 15 defensmen in the NHL are, and then try and name their partner for this season.

 

[Edge]

This part is SO overlooked by those in a rush to trade him, and so vital to the success of the team in the long term.

I always try to stay aware of that aspect, because I've overlooked it in the past, only to have it bite me in the ass.

Trouba eats a lot of minutes that wouldn't necessarily be better served going to Fox or ADA at this point.

 

[RGY]

The better exercise would be for you to name who you think the top 15 defensmen in the NHL are, and then try and name their partner for this season.

Why should I do that? Youre the one saying the partner doesnt matter. You want to post nonsense, provide the facts to back it up. Highly doubt the top 15 defenseman have incompetent partners.

 

[Off Sides]

Personally I think he has been a mixed bag so far. Has done some good thing but also some bad things too. I was fine with the trade but I am scared of that contract. I know he isn’t going anywhere but we need to see more from him

I don't think there is anymore to see. Or to put it differently, what you see I believe is and always has been his game.

He's pretty solid in his own zone, not allergic to puck moving, he eats minutes, plays somewhat physical. Yet he also gets beat wide at times, takes some dumb penalties and does not have a whole lot of vision beyond the neutral zone except to shoot.

In my opinion he's ideally a #3 defender who is carrying a 1st pair cap hit, yet if the Rangers ever have a Duncan Keith in his prime to put next to him he will seem like a fine top pair defender. Yes I am comparing him to Seabrook from back in their primes.

 

[NYRangers0723]

I don't think there is anymore to see. Or to put it differently, what you see I believe is and always has been his game.

He's pretty solid in his own zone, not allergic to puck moving, he eats minutes, plays somewhat physical. Yet he also gets beat wide at times, takes some dumb penalties and does not have a whole lot of vision beyond the neutral zone except to shoot.

In my opinion he's ideally a #3 defender who is carrying a 1st pair cap hit, yet if the Rangers ever have a Duncan Keith in his prime to put next to him he will seem like a fine top pair defender. Yes I am comparing him to Seabrook from back in their primes.

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