Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXI - Let's make a deal

[NYR Viper]

So it's a slow Friday, let's see how this plays out:

2020 Deadline:

To BOS:
Kreider @ 50%
To NYR:
Frederic + Heinen + BOS 1st '20


To EDM:
Fast
To NYR:
EDM 2nd '20 + Khaira




Off-season 2020:

TO LV:
Skjei
To NYR:
Tuch + LV 1st '21

To CAR:
Georgiev
TO NYR:
Gauthier

To EDM:
Buchnevich
To NYR:
Puljujaarvi + EDM 1st '20


Buy-out:
Staal

Re-signings:
ADA - 6 years @ $5.5m
Strome - 4 yers @ $5m
Puljujaarvi - 1 year @ $1.5m
Lemieux - 1 years $1.75m

Panarin-Strome-Tuh
Chytil-Zibanejad-Kaako
Lemieux-Howden/Frederic-Puljujaarvi
Heinen-Howden/Frederic-Gauthier
Smith

Hajek-Trouba
Rykov-ADA
Lindgren-Fox

Shestyerken
Hank

$79.2m total cap hit
projected $83m cap

 

[xsniper11x]

Skjei for Tuch is exactly what I was thinking last night, as VGK is certainly a team that has a significant imbalance between F and D. Although a 1st on top might be a bit much.

Also, was wondering if ADA prices himself out of NY, if a package of him + Georgie could net us a young C. Maybe Glass? Don’t want to move him, but also can’t pay up for 3 RD once Fox is due.

 

[NYR Viper]

Skjei for Tuch is exactly what I was thinking last night, as VGK is certainly a team that has a significant imbalance between F and D. Although a 1st on top might be a bit much.

Also, was wondering if ADA prices himself out of NY, if a package of him + Georgie could net us a young C. Maybe Glass? Don’t want to move him, but also can’t pay up for 3 RD once Fox is due.

IMO< you pay the player who you know fits your team and makes a consistent difference and then figure it out later. It's very possible that if Skjei is traded, the left side of the Rangers defense could be cheap for quite a while. Hajek, Rykov and Lindgren are not the types who cash in early in their careers and guys like Reunanen, Miller, Jones, etc are a couple years away from NHL duty at best and if/when they do, will be cheap for 2-3 years after they start at a minimum.

I really don't see the fear of paying Trouba, ADA and Fox as long as we look at the defense's entire cap hit. We just need to zoom out a bit.

 

[Leetch3]

You’re going to know very soon if hank is going to retire or not. We go past the deadline with Georgiev still here and even more so with Kreider still here my guess is hank is done. We are not going to do this 3 goaltender thing very long. It’s awful for the goalies. There is very little practice time this time of year. Georgiev is just sitting in the press box. We’ve got a long break coming up soon. Shesterkin will probably go down at some point soon for a game or two while Georgiev and hank split a weekend or something like that but this won’t last long. It can’t.

not sure I agree that this confirms anything...trading a goalie at the deadline isn't easy. barring injuries, playoff teams already have goalies and non-playoff teams normally don't trade away future assets. so your options become limited to playoff teams looking for a backup goalie as insurance and how much are they going to pay?

the 3 goalie thing is not ideal for anyone but I wouldn't be surprised if we need to ride it out the rest of the year and then look to make the trade at the draft.

 

[Siddi]

Today, they are. No one is talking about comparing careers with Henke. And if you saw Bob's numbers prior to this year, you could honestly say that no, he isn't?

You do realize both of them are basically sub .900 and lurking around the bottom when regarding the advance stats? I wouldn't call that elite by any stretch.

 

[True Blue]

You do realize both of them are basically sub .900 and lurking around the bottom when regarding the advance stats? I wouldn't call that elite by any stretch.

Again, you are only focusing on THIS year. If you look at the last several years, that has been the case. Being "elite" is not a year to year title. Nor is it something that someone wears in perpetuity. Unless their name is Gretzky.

 

[True Blue]

A little reading between the lines here, probably going to be sellers at the deadline lol

Honestly, did you expect any different?

 

[Gardner McKay]

Tuch for Skjei doesn't really excite me. I know Skjei hasn't been great this season but I feel like that could be trading one problem for another. I know there would likely be a + attached with Tuch but...

 

[Siddi]

Again, you are only focusing on THIS year. If you look at the last several years, that has been the case. Being "elite" is not a year to year title. Nor is it something that someone wears in perpetuity. Unless their name is Gretzky.

So tell me, how exactly has Holtby been elite for the last several years? He's been trash over the last few year. Even when they won the cup he was regarded as the weak link. If you compare Hotlby to Hank you may see similar fluctuations in the ordinary stats but the difference is that Hank is Always at the top when considering the advanced stats while Holtby can be found hiding in the basement.

 

[nyr2k2]

So tell me, how exactly has Holtby been elite for the last several years? He's been trash over the last few year. Even when they won the cup he was regarded as the weak link. If you compare Hotlby to Hank you may see similar fluctuations in the ordinary stats but the difference is that Hank is Always at the top when considering the advanced stats while Holtby can be found hiding in the basement.

Holtby has generally been very good in the playoffs. I live in Caps Country and it kills me to say it, but he has. I really only remember him having one bad playoff year. The year they won the Cup, he was very good. I also remember a few years prior he was outstanding, but I think they lost in the second or third round. I always felt like there was a perception that he was a question mark heading into the playoffs, but it really wasn't supported by anything. The Caps would choke but not really because of him. I don't know what the advanced stats say, though, so maybe I'm not seeing the whole story.

 

[Fireonk]

So it's a slow Friday, let's see how this plays out:

A lot of wishful thinking on your slow Friday

 

[TheDirtyH]

Holtby has generally been very good in the playoffs. I live in Caps Country and it kills me to say it, but he has. I really only remember him having one bad playoff year. The year they won the Cup, he was very good. I also remember a few years prior he was outstanding, but I think they lost in the second or third round. I always felt like there was a perception that he was a question mark heading into the playoffs, but it really wasn't supported by anything. The Caps would choke but not really because of him. I don't know what the advanced stats say, though, so maybe I'm not seeing the whole story.

He was good in their cup run but IIRC he wasn't even their starter when that post-season began.

Other years he was very good too. Definitely not last year.

 

[nyr2k2]

Tuch for Skjei doesn't really excite me. I know Skjei hasn't been great this season but I feel like that could be trading one problem for another. I know there would likely be a + attached with Tuch but...

I keep seeing Tuch thrown around. Not sure I see the attraction. I mean, obviously--huge, seems to have a good IQ, smart two-way player, etc. But he's kind of inconsistent and he doesn't use his size at all, from what I've seen. I mean I really don't want my 6'5" 225 pound power forward receiving votes for the Byng.

I don't think he should be a primary target. I mean if it's one of those "Vegas doesn't have anyone better", then I guess, but he doesn't seem like someone to prioritize.

 

[nyr2k2]

He was good in their cup run but IIRC he wasn't even their starter when that post-season began.

Other years he was very good too. Definitely not last year.

Yeah the Cup year he sucked in the regular season and Grubauer was way better. It was a hot topic of conversation down here. IIRC he grabbed the job pretty quickly once the playoffs started.

 

[Leetch3]

Tuch for Skjei doesn't really excite me. I know Skjei hasn't been great this season but I feel like that could be trading one problem for another. I know there would likely be a + attached with Tuch but...

trading skjei definitely comes with problems especially in the short term. i'd love to see how the opinions of him would be if he was still on the 2nd pair behind mcdonagh as opposed to being asked to be the top guy...

that said though I think the value of getting a guy like Tuch is tied to the future/long term plans for kreider, strome, fast and buchnevich. thats 1/3 of the forward lines that we don't know if they are part of the long term plans...we probably won't keep all 4 and we also probably won't keep none. but depending on which ones are still around will potentially magnify the need to bring in forward depth.

 

[NYR Viper]

I keep seeing Tuch thrown around. Not sure I see the attraction. I mean, obviously--huge, seems to have a good IQ, smart two-way player, etc. But he's kind of inconsistent and he doesn't use his size at all, from what I've seen. I mean I really don't want my 6'5" 225 pound power forward receiving votes for the Byng.

I don't think he should be a primary target. I mean if it's one of those "Vegas doesn't have anyone better", then I guess, but he doesn't seem like someone to prioritize.

He had just over 50 points last year. This year has been more of a struggle but Stone has stolen minutes from him. If he could be a Kreider-like player, net front, speed, physicality while putting up 45-50 points that's very valuable

 

[Leetch3]

I keep seeing Tuch thrown around. Not sure I see the attraction. I mean, obviously--huge, seems to have a good IQ, smart two-way player, etc. But he's kind of inconsistent and he doesn't use his size at all, from what I've seen. I mean I really don't want my 6'5" 225 pound power forward receiving votes for the Byng.

I don't think he should be a primary target. I mean if it's one of those "Vegas doesn't have anyone better", then I guess, but he doesn't seem like someone to prioritize.

to be fair, if he didn't come with his own flaws, he wouldn't be available for what we are looking to offer...

 

[nyr2k2]

He had just over 50 points last year. This year has been more of a struggle but Stone has stolen minutes from him. If he could be a Kreider-like player, net front, speed, physicality while putting up 45-50 points that's very valuable

Yeah I know he was good last year. I don't see any physicality, though. He's a huge dude, but doesn't really use it to his advantage, isn't mean, not physical other than maybe shielding, etc. Seems like exactly the type of guy Rangers fans would hate. Big guy who doesn't hit and isn't tough. LOL. The other attributes are great, of course.

to be fair, if he didn't come with his own flaws, he wouldn't be available for what we are looking to offer...

Sure, that's sensible. I would just prefer to target someone like Lemieux who has that physical element and size (size that is used) that we don't have. Those things that make it tough to play against. And FWIW I'm not saying Lemieux > Tuch or anything, I just would rather target someone in the mold of Lemieux than the mold of Tuch. JMO, though.

 

[TheDirtyH]

Yeah I know he was good last year. I don't see any physicality, though. He's a huge dude, but doesn't really use it to his advantage, isn't mean, not physical other than maybe shielding, etc. Seems like exactly the type of guy Rangers fans would hate. Big guy who doesn't hit and isn't tough. LOL. The other attributes are great, of course.

One of the types of guys. The others being... all of them.

 

[DanielBrassard]

I keep seeing Tuch thrown around. Not sure I see the attraction. I mean, obviously--huge, seems to have a good IQ, smart two-way player, etc. But he's kind of inconsistent and he doesn't use his size at all, from what I've seen. I mean I really don't want my 6'5" 225 pound power forward receiving votes for the Byng.

I don't think he should be a primary target. I mean if it's one of those "Vegas doesn't have anyone better", then I guess, but he doesn't seem like someone to prioritize.

Has size, skates very well, good hands and has produced well in the past. I think he'd be a solid pickup and his contract is favorable even if he's only a 50 pt guy or so.

 

[NernieBichols]

I don’t think Shesterkin is gearing up for anything AHL related anytime soon. Agreed he may play a few games down there but those will be few and far between unless he really falls apart here.

Yah Georgiev Will get SOME time but he was already splitting games. Now that will be even less. It’s hardly enough. If your intention is to trade him then you’d be doing everyone an injustice by waiting any longer to do so. If he’s in your long term plans and you think Hanks gonna retire well then u bite the bullet here the rest of the season sure.

Bet you that fresh chytil jersey he goes down to Hartford in advance of the AHL all-star game?

If I’m wrong I’ll buy you an andersson Jersey

 

[NernieBichols]

Well I agree like I said he may go down for a weekend here and there but AHl playoffs? When our season ends maybe If we don’t make the playoffs. But I don’t think that’s on anyone’s mind there right now.

but you cut the duties into thirds just to trade a guy in the off-season makes little sense. Teams want Georgiev now. No doubt about it. So makes very little sense to keep him till the summer just to trade him.

Aww shucks. Moved the goalposts before I could get my bet proposal in

 

[Fireonk]

I keep seeing Tuch thrown around. Not sure I see the attraction. I mean, obviously--huge, seems to have a good IQ, smart two-way player, etc. But he's kind of inconsistent and he doesn't use his size at all, from what I've seen. I mean I really don't want my 6'5" 225 pound power forward receiving votes for the Byng.

I don't think he should be a primary target. I mean if it's one of those "Vegas doesn't have anyone better", then I guess, but he doesn't seem like someone to prioritize.

For me, Tuch seems like a perfect long term replacement for Kreider. Not as refined as Kreider perhaps, but he comes at a salary that is more palatable than what Kreider would take to resign. He is also just hitting his peak and we dont have to worry about him breaking down as much.

 

[NernieBichols]

Let’s assume we make some okay trades but don’t hit home runs of the + being added we want in some cases

Staal buyout

Kreider for Heinen + 1st at deadline
Skjei for Tuch + 2nd

Offseason:
Buchnevich for Nurse
Georgiev for Kapenen
Sign Conor Sheary

Panarin Strome Kapenen
Heinen Zib Tuch
Sheary Chytil Kakko
Lemiuex Howden Fast

Nurse Trouba
Hajek Deangelo
Lindgren Fox

We still would have Miller, Lundkvist, Kravstov all coming soon and have 2 2020 1sts, a 2020 2nd, and 2 2020 3rds to upgrade a top 6 LW if needed

Could also move Deangelo to the left if Lundkvist is ready

I’ve always wondered if it’s just bc of line changes and stuff. But tonyd and fox have been out there together more than a handful of times from my recollection

 

[SA16]

If we had a player like Alex Tuch who scored 52 points as a 22 year old we’d consider him near untouchable yet somehow here he’s treated almost as a throw in.