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Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XX

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KreiderBomb said:
Ottawas pick will never be available imo.
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I don't disagree but maybe Colorado thinks this deal would put them over the top.

Also Hank's not a rental so they may have more then 1 shot at kicking the can.

Young team vet presence who we know when he gets hot can carry the team on his back.
 
I’ve always been sceptical about ‘tanking’ because it’s so easy for it to not work out as you planned. You get the 1st overall, the wrong year. You get a handful too many wins one year and the draft is top heavy, a year completely wasted. Kids you have are often ruined since they don’t get any support in their development.

But if we are falling apart now, hallelujah! Surely nothing would be better for this organization to finish deadlast and get some luck in the lottery, like Toronto did. ESPECIALLY a year like this, when we still have a framework in place for a team and recently had a winning culture.

Keeping riding Hank hard, he should get an injury eventually. Deal away a few guys as soon as Gorts can get value for them. If we don’t pile up too many points now — after those moves are done, Geo and Tokaraski and co in the net, we should have a good shot at getting a bottoms finish.

And if we get a top guy in this draft that seems to be very strong in the top 4-5, a quick turnaround is definitely possible.
 
DanielBrassard said:
There's no chance Colorado gives up the best odds for Hughes for that package. No chance. Getting
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Just a question, why do you refer it to the ‘best odds for Hughes’? Ottawa has no initiative to tank. Do you really think they will be bottom 2 after 82 games? Bottom 3? 4?

I mean they suck, but there are some great top young talent out there and many teams will gun for it.
 
Ola said:
I’ve always been sceptical about ‘tanking’ because it’s so easy for it to not work out as you planned. You get the 1st overall, the wrong year. You get a handful too many wins one year and the draft is top heavy, a year completely wasted. Kids you have are often ruined since they don’t get any support in their development.

But if we are falling apart now, hallelujah! Surely nothing would be better for this organization to finish deadlast and get some luck in the lottery, like Toronto did. ESPECIALLY a year like this, when we still have a framework in place for a team and recently had a winning culture.

Keeping riding Hank hard, he should get an injury eventually. Deal away a few guys as soon as Gorts can get value for them. If we don’t pile up too many points now — after those moves are done, Geo and Tokaraski and co in the net, we should have a good shot at getting a bottoms finish.

And if we get a top guy in this draft that seems to be very strong in the top 4-5, a quick turnaround is definitely possible.
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But why do we even want a quick turnaround? I feel as though we really need to draft in the top 5 for a few years in a row. We need a few top end talents, and as of now we really have none.
 
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Ola said:
Just a question, why do you refer it to the ‘best odds for Hughes’? Ottawa has no initiative to tank. Do you really think they will be bottom 2 after 82 games? Bottom 3? 4?

I mean they suck, but there are some great top young talent out there and many teams will gun for it.
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I'm assuming Ottawa continues to be awful and ends up at the bottom of the league. But perhaps I should revise that and say the 2nd best odds. After they move all their UFA's they might not win another game.
 
Jeff Gorton should be looking to move a defenseman very soon. McQuaid should be gone very soon. On Bleeding Blueshirts today prior to the game, Maloney pretty much said he will be gone by the deadline. Hopefully it’s sooner.

He also needs to move out a forward. Vesey could use a change of scenery. Hayes, his bff will be fine very soon.
 
I do not see a quick turnaround. It's like I see a separate compartment entirely for creating a competitive defensive corps. While all components are related to the whole, this rebuild of the back end is going to be a tough nut to crack, and it matters a whole lot to what happens because it is way more of a weakness than the forwards. Chytil, Andersson, Howden, etc. are here. Those dice have been rolled, and let's see where they go. Can't second-guess absolutely everything, have to commit somewhere.
Commit energy and focus to fixing the woeful back end, use some of the existing vets as chips to get a start. The failure of the McIlrath pick still reverberates.
 
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A top 5 pick is part of the equation. They'll have at least 10 picks this summer. 9+ the following summer. Add that to the picks last summer. They'll get a hold of some prospects this year and next. Add that to last TDL's returns.

Out of that pool of assets, a few elite players will emerge. A bunch of good NHL players too. A bunch of failures. That's what we will build the future team with. Sheer odds. It may be that a top 5 is a total dud, NYR style. Maybe a 6th rounder ends up with a jersey in the rafters.

Maybe it works, it probably won't. But this whole process will not hinge on nailing any one specific pick. It's about the aggravate over this rebuild.
 
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trilobyte said:
I do not see a quick turnaround. It's like I see a separate compartment entirely for creating a competitive defensive corps. While all components are related to the whole, this rebuild of the back end is going to be a tough nut to crack, and it matters a whole lot to what happens because it is way more of a weakness than the forwards. Chytil, Andersson, Howden, etc. are here. Those dice have been rolled, and let's see where they go. Can't second-guess absolutely everything, have to commit somewhere.
Commit energy and focus to fixing the woeful back end, use some of the existing vets as chips to get a start. The failure of the McIlrath pick still reverberates.
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At this point, whoever we would’ve taken in 2010 would like be in trade discussions. Such is the nature of sports.
 
Draft picks are lottery tickets

Sometimes you’ll hit, sometimes you won’t. The more you have, the better a chance of a hit

I like Bobrov, I hope he takes over for Gordie sooner than later. Tampa is the goal for scouting in the draft. They pump of quality NHL players regularly
 
Edge said:
At this point, whoever we would’ve taken in 2010 would like be in trade discussions. Such is the nature of sports.
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What you say is true about where McIlrath would be positioned now, should he have stuck, or whether he would even be here in the mix. My post is probably more reflective of my wishes for that pick to have been a homerun to build around (failing that, a solid top four at worst). That level of optimism, yeah that's on me, and I need to temper it somewhat.
 
All of this Hank talk is ridic atm

Gorton should (and probably will or even has) check with him again... I can’t imagine a world where it hasn’t or won’t happen.

But as someone else said he’ll stay until at least the end of season. Too much to ponder.

I’m not sure about the return either... we would need to retain for sure I would think and I don’t see COL giving up the OTT 1st ever (unless it falls massively after the lottery) and asking for their top prospect back also seems far fetched.
 
trilobyte said:
I do not see a quick turnaround. It's like I see a separate compartment entirely for creating a competitive defensive corps. While all components are related to the whole, this rebuild of the back end is going to be a tough nut to crack, and it matters a whole lot to what happens because it is way more of a weakness than the forwards. Chytil, Andersson, Howden, etc. are here. Those dice have been rolled, and let's see where they go. Can't second-guess absolutely everything, have to commit somewhere.
Commit energy and focus to fixing the woeful back end, use some of the existing vets as chips to get a start. The failure of the McIlrath pick still reverberates.
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Trading Hayes, Zuccarello and anyone not in the future plans with value will net us a haul similar to last year and we will get better eventually. I'm not concerned, anyone who thought this was a 1 year or two year plan wasnt being realistic. Its 3+ and maybe more. A high end player or two at the draft would speed it up.
 
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Dijock94 said:
But why do we even want a quick turnaround? I feel as though we really need to draft in the top 5 for a few years in a row. We need a few top end talents, and as of now we really have none.
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Because you can't hit "sim season" in real life?
 
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effen said:
Because you can't hit "sim season" in real life?
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I understand that, but we also have one Stanley cup in 77 years. Most people are willing to wait out a full rebuild so we can finally have a perennial cup contender, who knows maybe win one or more cups as well.
 
Dijock94 said:
I understand that, but we also have one Stanley cup in 77 years. Most people are willing to wait out a full rebuild so we can finally have a perennial cup contender, who knows maybe win one or more cups as well.
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I think most ppl would do a 3 yr rebuild but not a 5 and certainly not an entire org 7-10 style
 
They’re gonna be kicking themselves when they walk away with a Grabner type return when they could have gotten more in the summer
 
effen said:
I think most ppl would do a 3 yr rebuild but not a 5 and certainly not an entire org 7-10 style
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Maybe, personally I would sacrifice whatever it took to finally have our own dynasty with our own core of home grown superstars.
 
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Matz03 said:
Lol more in the summer? Did you see what Skinner and Hoffman moved for.
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Skinner doesn’t count, bobbop just said there were behind the scene issues there that had an effect on the return

And Hoffman it was basically public knowledge they wanted to get rid of him and took a bad return because of it. And it’s ottawa for god sake, they’re arguably the worst front office in the league
 
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Oscar Lindberg said:
They’re gonna be kicking themselves when they walk away with a Grabner type return when they could have gotten more in the summer
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What move did they pass on?

For that matter, what was the deal on the table last TDL? I hear these unnamed deals were better. Can anyone put this to rest and outline the offers?
Matz03 said:
Lol more in the summer? Did you see what Skinner and Hoffman moved for.
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Thank you
 
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