Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XX

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Nash returned a 1st, prospect, roster player and a 7th after a very very disappointing season.

1 bad year doesn't change trade value, just like 1 great year doesn't net a player 9m a year (See William Karlsson)
Respect u very much as a poster but that’s patently false.

Zucc is bring less than zero where Nash was looking like he couldn’t carry the offense on a team. Brought into BOS not to do that, he was a good two way player at the time of the trade. He also had pedigree and SIZE.

Zucc is not a two way guy and has been abysmal. ANY team trading for him is trading for what he could bring, of course but Gorts is over the barrel now... especially after those quotes.

Guy is small, slowing, damaged good both physically and mentally.

I hope we get a Nash return and I have always liked Zucc so don’t take this the wrong way, but anyone expecting the Nash return will be disappointed.
 
Folks just always assume that a market for players always exists. That's very often not the case. The reason teams don't often jump on rentals way ahead of the deadline is because there's no guarantee their team will be a true contender come playoff time. Trade for Zucc today only to see your team hit the skids and miss the playoffs? You'd have sacrificed a lottery pick for a rental that didnt help you at all.
Welp at worst you'd have to at least do better than Boston did with Nash, and that type of return for Zuccarello would be fine by me.
 
Because you can't hit "sim season" in real life?

I think there's a lot of truth to this.

For many fans, arguably in the 50 and under crowd, games have been a bigger part of their fan experience over the last 30 years or so. As such, whenever things don't go right in real life, it's easy to fire up a gaming system and play out a fantasy.

As those games have advanced, they've enabled people to take on more active roles as GMs thanks to franchise modes. A good majority of posters here, myself included, have spent many hours turning the Rangers, Giants, Jets, Knicks, Yankees, and Mets into dynasties.

Unfortunately, the downside is that it makes us assume the fixes are easier, and come faster, than they do in real life --- at least on a subconscious level.

Then you factor in that this team is coming off a successful period in its history, and some fans have seen other teams mired in sucky, but not sucky enough situations for a decade, and it doesn't really increase the appetite for a rebuild.

Rebuilds are much easier to endure when other people have to go through them. We don't live it day to day, but we definitely take notice when it works.

Yeah we look at the Penguins, the Jets, the Bolts, the Bruins, etc. But we also forget those fans also struggled through some pretty hopeless years. Not just one or two, but several. And in some cases, two different eras.

Yeah, you need to do a good job of drafting.

But the teams also have first and second overall picks, multiple times over the last 20 years.

Regardless of our debates on the importance of those picks, or other factors that play into them, that also requires a lot of losing.
 
Zuccarello’s post game comments to Brooks are some of the most bizarre and unprofessional things I’ve ever seen. Sounds like he did a good job destroying himself
Uhhh what? That's the opposite of unprofessional. He took all the blame (correctly) on himself. He doesn't need to be stoic and speak in cliches. Smh.
 
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Respect u very much as a poster but that’s patently false.

Zucc is bring less than zero where Nash was looking like he couldn’t carry the offense on a team. Brought into BOS not to do that, he was a good two way player at the time of the trade. He also had pedigree and SIZE.

Zucc is not a two way guy and has been abysmal. ANY team trading for him is trading for what he could bring, of course but Gorts is over the barrel now... especially after those quotes.

Guy is small, slowing, damaged good both physically and mentally.

I hope we get a Nash return and I have always liked Zucc so don’t take this the wrong way, but anyone expecting the Nash return will be disappointed.
Maybe I read it wrong but I don't think he expects a Nash return. He was just providing an example of how a player's full resume is more relevant than recent performance.

Anyone expecting a Nash return will be disappointed, I agree. We just need one GM out of 30 to believe his little story in the paper. 2 to start a bid.
 
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Maybe I read it wrong but I don't think he expects a Nash return. He was just providing an example of how a player's full resume is more relevant than recent performance.

Anyone expecting a Nash return will be disappointed, I agree. We just need one GM out of 30 to believe his little story in the paper. 2 to start a bid.
Maybe I read it wrong but my pint was that Zucc, as a player was a passer and a tough little guy.

Now he’s oft injured, scores never and hes passing to the other team.

Any GM worth his shit would put Gorts over the barrel KNOWING we aren’t resigning him and KNOWING we are rebuilding and will take what we can get because we sure as shit aren’t letting him walk for nothing.
 
Lundqvist did not speak after this one — perhaps the second or third time in his career he has opted out of a postgame briefing — in which he got no help while the Coyotes pranced around the ice to their hearts’ content without fear of opposition.

https://nypost.com/2019/01/06/henrik-lundqvist-pulled-again-in-another-lopsided-rangers-loss/

The wheels are falling off of the bus.

Kreider has taken three stupid penalties in the last two games.

Kreider missed some shifts after taking his stupid penalty today. Quinn had Namestnikov skate with Zibanejad and Fast for the remaining shifts in the second and the start of the third.

Smith is an idiot. Every time he takes a penalty. He has this stupid expression on his face. Who me? Yes you. Two more years of this guy.

Shattenkirk. If you go back and look at the sequence leading up to the 2nd goal, the Rangers had the puck in the Coyotes zone. Shattenkirk makes an awful pass to a Rangers forward and the puck comes out of the zone. A few seconds later, the puck is behind Lundqvist. Two more years of this guy too.

Both mistakes were made by Smith and Shattenkirk. Gorton's two prized acquisitions.

Quinn keeps yelling at these players. He yelled at them during practice on Saturday. He probably yelled at them against after the first period. The players stop listening after a while. These are professional athletes. They aren't college kids.

The schedule only gets tougher.
 
Respect u very much as a poster but that’s patently false.

Zucc is bring less than zero where Nash was looking like he couldn’t carry the offense on a team. Brought into BOS not to do that, he was a good two way player at the time of the trade. He also had pedigree and SIZE.

Zucc is not a two way guy and has been abysmal. ANY team trading for him is trading for what he could bring, of course but Gorts is over the barrel now... especially after those quotes.

Guy is small, slowing, damaged good both physically and mentally.

I hope we get a Nash return and I have always liked Zucc so don’t take this the wrong way, but anyone expecting the Nash return will be disappointed.

I am not saying they are similar in value. I was just using Nash as an example to show 1 bad season doesn't affect trade value as much as people think
 
Brooks got an interview with Zucc.

I'm pretty sure he's unhappy for several reasons, not just the trade rumors. But at least he lets fans know a little about what's going on, but I don't think it's news that he's a very emotional guy.

https://nypost.com/2019/01/06/its-time-for-sliding-rangers-to-trade-frustrated-fan-favorite/

It pretty much sums up what we said. He needs to move on, but he will make another team better, so Rangers need to get something good in return.

No offense to Zucc but he is not a true leader, a leader just plays his game not let trade rumors or a slumping team effect his play on the ice or his personality in the lockeroom. Basically the interview is saying he is healthy physically but not mentally.
 
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Maybe I read it wrong but my pint was that Zucc, as a player was a passer and a tough little guy.

Now he’s oft injured, scores never and hes passing to the other team.

Any GM worth his **** would put Gorts over the barrel KNOWING we aren’t resigning him and KNOWING we are rebuilding and will take what we can get because we sure as **** aren’t letting him walk for nothing.
It's possible. That was the stepan trade in essence. We were trying to beat the clock with his NMC. But alot of those factors applied to Nash. We weren't re-signing. We published a letter telling the world we were rebuilding.

Personally, I'm happy with any return because #1 it is symbolic of and cements that we are committed to this path and #2 this process does not hinge on any one deal.

I respect everyone's opinion and choice to be pessimistic or optimistic. I'm focused on the long game as opposed to each deal in a microcosm.
 
yes it is, zucc at his best probably wouldn't return what nash did at the time,

That wasn't the point. I was referring to Nash to show that a bad season doesn't diminish a player's value. It's based on previous seasons. Zuccarello having 1 bad season won't all of a sudden see him drop in value on the market.
 
When we talk about Zucc's value taking a hit, there's probably some truth to that. But I don't think there's as much space between the high-end value and the low-end value as some people think. At least not more than would've occurred anyway with one less year on the contract/one less playoff run, to go along with one more candle on the birthday cake.

Whatever Zucc's value turns out to be, I don't think his value a year ago was in a different category, even if it was greater.
 
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It's possible. That was the stepan trade in essence. We were trying to beat the clock with his NMC. But alot of those factors applied to Nash. We weren't re-signing. We published a letter telling the world we were rebuilding.

Personally, I'm happy with any return because #1 it is symbolic of and cements that we are committed to this path and #2 this process does not hinge on any one deal.

I respect everyone's opinion and choice to be pessimistic or optimistic. I'm focused on the long game as opposed to each deal in a microcosm.
Agreed. Long game for sure.

I’ll even add that we acquired Zucc for nothing. Nada. Any return that helps us in any way now or moving forward is house money.

I’m also not of the “should’ve traded him last yr” crowd BECAUSE there was a better deal. None of us know that.

I just know that Zucc was fading and I think it would’ve yielded more then than it will now.

If you look at my post history I wanted to trade him two years ago and I really love the guy, his heart and tenacity.
 
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