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Yeah looks like the Rangers screwed this one up.
But now they should let him go as soon as possible, no need to destroy him.
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Yeah looks like the Rangers screwed this one up.
But now they should let him go as soon as possible, no need to destroy him.
Oscar Lindberg
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I don’t know what they passed on or what deals were even on the table but I’ll guarantee that any deal then was better than what they’ll get for him a couple weeks.
It’s common sense.
He’s f***ing moped for the last year and let his play go down the drain. Shocking that his value is low
What you mean? MSG is going to go up in flames and now the Rangers will have to relocate the team to west bumblef*** now that his majesty zucc wont be a ranger soon enough. The Rangers will never survive this!
Zuccarello’s post game comments to Brooks are some of the most bizarre and unprofessional things I’ve ever seen. Sounds like he did a good job destroying himself
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It’s sad that dude needs to get back onto a playoff team and try to rebuild his love for the game.
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I'm going to be pissed if he goes somewhere else and plays well. He purposefully is tanking his own trade value.
DutchShamrock
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All completely hypothetical and intangible values, but if you are going to assume the worst and get upset over a trade that hasn't happened, there's no amount of reasoning that will change your mind.
But the other factor here is that there are going to be misses here and there. I'm not going to require the GM to kill every deal. If Zucc was playing lights out in Calgary right now and our return was less than stellar, people would complain that we should have held on for a better return.
NYR Viper
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Gorton should rip the bandaid off. A team like the Pens likes to get their deadline deals done ahead of time. See what they would offer.
Amazing Kreiderman
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Now that they traded away Sprong, I am not sure who I'd want from Pittsburgh though.
Addison maybe?
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Matz03
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If anything they should’ve moved him at last years trade deadline. Summer trades rarely get decent returns, you can look at a whole history of moves including ones I mentioned.
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NYR Viper
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Addison is the guy I’d target. I’d like to add him to the prospect pool.
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Alright guys and gals, this is the type of conversation where we start drifting into assumption and speculation and passing it off as fact.
1. We do not know what, if any offers were on the table for Zucc. So to comment about us passing up on deals is misleading.
2. Let's also be honest, if the Rangers just took "any deal" because it was supposedly better than what we'd get now (which to the point above, we don't know), there are a good number of people on here would be livid about that. If the return was awful we'd be complaining about Gorton got fleeced and we should've waited.
Look, this team isn't perfect, and some decisions should be questioned with a critical eye. But let's not also get into that habit of baiting these conversations so that we get bent out of shape no matter what the team does. That approach isn't really an accurate way to critique what is going on, that's more like oppositional defiance.
3. Personally, I think if there was a good deal on the table for Zucc, a deal would've already been done. The fact that a deal isn't done probably speaks more to what the market was like post-TDL and continues to be thus far. This is also evidenced by some of the returns we've seen around the league, and the time it took for them to be completed.
I don't think this is a Gorton thing, I think it's a market thing.
1. We do not know what, if any offers were on the table for Zucc. So to comment about us passing up on deals is misleading.
2. Let's also be honest, if the Rangers just took "any deal" because it was supposedly better than what we'd get now (which to the point above, we don't know), there are a good number of people on here would be livid about that. If the return was awful we'd be complaining about Gorton got fleeced and we should've waited.
Look, this team isn't perfect, and some decisions should be questioned with a critical eye. But let's not also get into that habit of baiting these conversations so that we get bent out of shape no matter what the team does. That approach isn't really an accurate way to critique what is going on, that's more like oppositional defiance.
3. Personally, I think if there was a good deal on the table for Zucc, a deal would've already been done. The fact that a deal isn't done probably speaks more to what the market was like post-TDL and continues to be thus far. This is also evidenced by some of the returns we've seen around the league, and the time it took for them to be completed.
I don't think this is a Gorton thing, I think it's a market thing.
Dijock94
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His past 5 years will overshadow a small stretch with a dumpster fire team that clearly has him on the trade block and he knows it.
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Nash returned a 1st, prospect, roster player and a 7th after a very very disappointing season.
1 bad year doesn't change trade value, just like 1 great year doesn't net a player 9m a year (See William Karlsson)
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So, here's a serious question. How many of the following players will be traded for futures at the 2020 deadline?
2020 UFA:
Kreider
Namestnikov
Fast
Vesey
2021 UFA:
Shattenkirk
Smith
Staal
2020 UFA:
Kreider
Namestnikov
Fast
Vesey
2021 UFA:
Shattenkirk
Smith
Staal
NYR Viper
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A good example of this in reverse would be Brandon Pirri when he was dealt to ANA. The guy was scoring at an unreal pace but returned practically nothing.
Same general idea to Grabner last year. He was on pace for a considerable amount of goals and yet he returned less than Nash.
Teams need to project how the guy will do on their team and having a track record of scoring in different systems, years, with different line mates, etc make the other teams GM more comfortable making a move.
Dijock94
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I would say the most likely bets are Namestnikov and Vesey...... maybe Kreider
NYR Viper
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Folks just always assume that a market for players always exists. That's very often not the case. The reason teams don't often jump on rentals way ahead of the deadline is because there's no guarantee their team will be a true contender come playoff time. Trade for Zucc today only to see your team hit the skids and miss the playoffs? You'd have sacrificed a lottery pick for a rental that didnt help you at all.
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