DutchShamrock
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I don't doubt something happens quick, but got to love a rumor mill that says, "uhhh stuff is happening, we'll, uhh, update this tomorrow." They don't have anything. Just using common sense to drive clicks.
Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XX
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I don't doubt something happens quick, but got to love a rumor mill that says, "uhhh stuff is happening, we'll, uhh, update this tomorrow." They don't have anything. Just using common sense to drive clicks.
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BobMarleyNYR
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The Nash that was on a level above Zuccarello for all but one of the last 15 years.
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At the risk of speaking for someone, I don't think Kreiderman was saying Zucc's value was on par with Nash.
Rather, he was talking about the perceived drop in value.
In other words, if Zucc's value last year was a first and a prospect, it's not going to be a standalone second this year. The drop wasn't that huge.
Rather, he was talking about the perceived drop in value.
In other words, if Zucc's value last year was a first and a prospect, it's not going to be a standalone second this year. The drop wasn't that huge.
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Smart move on his part. Even if he’s guessing, CGY, WPG & NSH all seem likely destinations for Zucc.
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Gorton should ask Shattenkirk to submit his 10 team no trade list. It ain't working out. It's possible that some playoff bound team would give us something good for him.
Smith ain't working out either....and McQuaid will need to go if only because his contract expires.
I'd still try to hang on to Hayes. We're seeing just how anemic our offense is without him the last two games. Chytil and Howden are not up to the job of handling a 2C job yet--not close either.
But Zucc has been awful. He's playing like he's still hurt. Is he? I have no idea but he's been shit. Maybe he's depressed because he knows his time here is pretty much at an end. Buchnevich has been a passenger. I would think about moving him too.
Smith ain't working out either....and McQuaid will need to go if only because his contract expires.
I'd still try to hang on to Hayes. We're seeing just how anemic our offense is without him the last two games. Chytil and Howden are not up to the job of handling a 2C job yet--not close either.
But Zucc has been awful. He's playing like he's still hurt. Is he? I have no idea but he's been shit. Maybe he's depressed because he knows his time here is pretty much at an end. Buchnevich has been a passenger. I would think about moving him too.
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Unfortunately, Shattenkirk has been an absolute disaster.
But I also think we're stuck with him for a while. I don't know if I see people lining up for the contract, let alone giving up something of value for him.
Even with money retained, there are injury concerns, defensive concerns, and he's not producing enough to overcome the first two.
If he were having a reasonably okay season, we might be able to pull it off. But I don't think that one is happening this year.
I think Smith is here as well, unless we take on a similar contract.
I think McQ, Zucc and Hayes are all on borrowed time at this point. If anything, I think this week's performances only made that more likely.
But I also think we're stuck with him for a while. I don't know if I see people lining up for the contract, let alone giving up something of value for him.
Even with money retained, there are injury concerns, defensive concerns, and he's not producing enough to overcome the first two.
If he were having a reasonably okay season, we might be able to pull it off. But I don't think that one is happening this year.
I think Smith is here as well, unless we take on a similar contract.
I think McQ, Zucc and Hayes are all on borrowed time at this point. If anything, I think this week's performances only made that more likely.
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Did you hear about this disrespect thing?
Something else interesting he said earlier.."there is one man I owe a lot...Alain Vigneault" I think it was a shock to him when AV was fired.
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I'm missing something... I just mean he wouldn't return what Nash did at the time.
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Not for anything, but between some of the efforts last year and this year, I'm not really surprised there was a feeling within the organization that they needed to change the leadership and build a new culture.
The amount of sulking and hurt feelings from multiple players is impressive.
The amount of sulking and hurt feelings from multiple players is impressive.
BobMarleyNYR
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Really its been just one.
Nash made some comments, but he still played hard. Grabner didn't want to leave either and he did the same.
Miller mailed it in, but he didn't really make a fuss about anything, at least publicly.
eco's bones
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I don't hate on Vigneault but he needed to be moved on. Kreider is another player who blossomed under AV by the way. Torts had it in for him.
I don't see how Quinn had disrespected Zucc. He's been playing in the top 6 and all situations and gotten plenty of pwp time. I think part of his problem is that the writing's been on the wall for him ever since the TDL last year. That said he has not played well--the grit and edge to his game is missing.
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And there are still more in the room.
That’s the worst part. Some on contracts that have multiple years left... and Smith isn’t who I’m speaking of.
The core was rotten and we are still seeing how deep it went
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He's going to make the big bucks anyway but hey I wouldn't want to live in Buffalo either. The Rangers have always been his team--if I were a player on the way out I'd probably be pissed too. But then again AFAIC the Rangers are the only team and NYC the best place to play.
Nash only returned what he returned because Sweeney is an idiot. Nash did nothing for them and then literally expired as a player at the end of the season. Zucc was more effective than Nash for seasons before Nash was traded, and biggest indicator- HE'S STILL AN ACTIVE PLAYER. We might not find as big a rube as Don, but there's a market for Zucc, whose slump is seasons shorter than Nash's was when we got the haul we got for him.
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I'm not going to lie, I wasn't terribly impressed with the responses of Nash, Miller, McD or Zucc.
Not that they went out and staged a sit-in outside The Garden, but it was there.
We heard talk about management not being thrilled with how the vets responded last year post-TDL, and frankly there are still some moments where I'm not sure that's totally gone away.
Again, it's nothing dramatic. But there's still been too many nights where members of that old guard have left me wanting. And what does it say that when this team has had some of its finer moments, it's often been because ADA, or Pionk, Or Chytil, or Howden were pushing things. Once they fell off, the vets really haven't taken the ball and ran with it.
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The lack of mental resiliency is alarming, especially in the remaining veteran corps. Not to be cliche, but we're stuck in a real-life situation of, "When the going gets tough, the tough get going." I'm more than content with rebuilding as long as these guys understand that the margins of error are small and that competitive hockey is an attainable feat. I still dislike how many times they've referenced the Calgary game at the end of October. Yes, it was a game you should've won, but you didn't. There's been plenty of times where you should've lost, but won because Hank saved your butts, i.e., the St. Louis game. They need to understand that process is what will lead to future success. Sometimes, especially now, the process matters more than the end result, and getting these guys to play the competitive, north-south game Quinn wants is paramount. They haven't been able to do that consistently or even at all on most nights. Effort should be non-negotiable.
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My take from the Brooks article is that Zuc is a problem in the lockeroom. Not so much like he's causing issues or being a doofus like Miller was reported, but there's just this cloud over him and negativity emits from his every move. Moving him will settle the mood and loosen up this group, many of whom don't have a history with him.
McQuaid is just the most bland Ranger since probably some of those 2012-13 depth guys like Pyatt/Asham/Halpern. When he's in the lineup or on the ice I'm not excited. It's the same feeling as when I'm hungry and the only thing around me is an America's Choice microwave meal just bleh. I'll be happy with anything for him. Even if it's just a "hope" pick or two.
Shattenkirk is finished. I hate to say it but that knee injury messed with his skating. He doesn't have any explosiveness or shiftiness left. His sneaky wrister doesn't work anymore either. I'd buy him out instead of Staal but that cap hit in year two at $6 million plus is brutal.
Smith has low hockey IQ. At his best he's a very mediocre player. Always was in Detroit. He played well against a very flawed Montreal team in a playoff series. Playoffs are weird times. Some guys are just better at playing against the same team 4-7 times and figure out how to handle them. That's why we often see playoff heroes rise out of nowhere. It's guys who are good at the repetition.
What do all of these guys have in common? They're in their early 30s and the game has passed them by. The league has changed so much even as recently as 2 seasons ago. The way teams are built, DMen are more like NFL secondary, the amount of 19 years old around the league. Speed increases every year.
Some real hard choices are going to have to be made. More players than these four are going to have to go to accelerate the rebuild or get this team on track. Lockeroom dynamic has to really change and the only way to do that is a guy lik a Fast/Names/Kreider is going to have to be dealt to take a chance, and also make a point; that what's going on now is just unacceptable.
McQuaid is just the most bland Ranger since probably some of those 2012-13 depth guys like Pyatt/Asham/Halpern. When he's in the lineup or on the ice I'm not excited. It's the same feeling as when I'm hungry and the only thing around me is an America's Choice microwave meal just bleh. I'll be happy with anything for him. Even if it's just a "hope" pick or two.
Shattenkirk is finished. I hate to say it but that knee injury messed with his skating. He doesn't have any explosiveness or shiftiness left. His sneaky wrister doesn't work anymore either. I'd buy him out instead of Staal but that cap hit in year two at $6 million plus is brutal.
Smith has low hockey IQ. At his best he's a very mediocre player. Always was in Detroit. He played well against a very flawed Montreal team in a playoff series. Playoffs are weird times. Some guys are just better at playing against the same team 4-7 times and figure out how to handle them. That's why we often see playoff heroes rise out of nowhere. It's guys who are good at the repetition.
What do all of these guys have in common? They're in their early 30s and the game has passed them by. The league has changed so much even as recently as 2 seasons ago. The way teams are built, DMen are more like NFL secondary, the amount of 19 years old around the league. Speed increases every year.
Some real hard choices are going to have to be made. More players than these four are going to have to go to accelerate the rebuild or get this team on track. Lockeroom dynamic has to really change and the only way to do that is a guy lik a Fast/Names/Kreider is going to have to be dealt to take a chance, and also make a point; that what's going on now is just unacceptable.
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And that's the thing, it's not just one or two guys, and once in a while. It's happened multiple times.
Hell, even when this team was at its peak, there was the (unpopular) opinion that it was a little too chummy, chummy. A feeling that they were a little too content with their outside hobbies and hanging out together, rather than pushing each other. Concerns that there were too many guys content to go on vacation together, and maybe not enough to challenge each other to push harder.
Frankly, I haven't seen much to persuade me that there wasn't at least some degree of truth to that.
We've got people sad. We've got people who need to get out of their own heads. Etc. Etc.
I get it, but at some point, if everyone is having a existential crisis, it's not going to work on the ice.
And it hasn't, on too many nights, from guys who have been doing this too many years to have the excuse.
Two different teams. I don't think last seasons was ever so bad as this one has been.
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